Fast of Firstborn/siyyum

Posted: Mon, Mar 30 2009, 7:10 pm Post subject: Fast of Firstborn/siyyum

DH and I disagree

DS is a bochor and is 4 years old.

DH wants to take him to shul Erev Pesach so that he can hear the shuir and take part in the siyyum. I say DS is too young to get up at 6:30 AM (esp. since it'll be a late night), be allowed to run around shul for an hour while DH davens, be expected to sit through a 10 min shuir and not eat until 8AM.
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Posted: Tue, Mar 31 2009, 1:40 am Post subject:

Where is there an inyan of a 4yo fasting for anything? I know Yom Kippor you are supposed to delay eating when they get older (6? 9?), but I was under the impression the rest of the fasts we davka don't train kids to fast because Please G/d by the time ds is 13 Moshiach will be here and we won't fast (except YK).

In any case 4 is too young. Tell your dh to read some of the threads about little kids in shul Laughing

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Posted: Tue, Mar 31 2009, 2:01 am Post subject:

AFAIK, until your son is Bar Mitzvah, you need a proxy for him. If your husband is not a Bechor himself, your husband can be the proxy. If he IS a Bechor, ask your LOR if he can do it...

BTW, RachelEve14, I think the Fast of the Bechor has a different status than YK, and all the other fasts because this fast, unlike the others is in regards to how the Bechorim of Egypt (and those of Am Yisrael who didn't put the blood on their door posts) were killed during Makat Bechorot.
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Yes, I also heard that the father fasts (or eats at a seudas mitzva) instead of his son who is a bechor, until the son is bar mitzva. My father, who is a bechor, would make a siyum for years with a friend who was father to a bechor until his son was bar mitzva. (Neither my husband or my sons are bechorim) If the father is also a bechor he should ask his LOR if his fast/ seudas mitzva can count for both of them.
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Posted: Tue, Mar 31 2009, 2:51 am Post subject:

Ooh, maybe I'll take Emmanuel for the end of davening so he can be at the siyum & breakfast? Way to save me another chametz meal! He can definitely sit through a 10 minute shiur.
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Posted: Tue, Mar 31 2009, 4:20 am Post subject: re: Fast of Firstborn/siyyum

when DS was born, I was told that since DH is a bechor, I need to fast as my son's proxy from birth until bar mitzvah.
He said that this fast, a woman can break very easily if "it causes discomfort". But I thought that was very strange. Who fasts w/o discomfort? The rov said that anyways it's our minhag to try to be at a siyum, and that I should also try to go partake.
So every year, DH goes to shul, and then I follow a bit later, so that I hear the siyum, and eat something.

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