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Posted: Mon, Mar 23 2009, 5:25 pm Post subject: Hebrew Language Academy Charter School |
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Has anyone heard of this school? I received some info in the mail from them today, and have been seeing flyers posted about them all over dd's daycare building.
My kids aren't old enough yet so it's really a moot point, but I wish a charter school was a viable option for us. Obviously there's no religious education there but I would love to find a way to send my kids to such a school and supplement their religious education after school. AFAIK however, no programs like this exist.
With so many people struggling financially and complaining about tuition rates, it would be a great thing if enough parents would take the plunge to send to a charter school and organize a successful after school religious supplement.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 23 2009, 5:34 pm Post subject: re: Hebrew Language Academy Charter School |
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It would never work because you would have to be willing to send your kids to a school with a very diverse student body which is really no different than a good public school, which has always been an option. The "Hebrew Language" element is really moot. _________________ The ability to Google does not make you learned.
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| A diverse student body is not an issue to me. I also don't think the hebrew language element is moot, as that's one less subject traditionally studied in jewish schools that would have to be undertaken privately.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 23 2009, 6:27 pm Post subject: re: Hebrew Language Academy Charter School |
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| So then why not send your kids to public school and just add another Hebrew language component as an after school subject? I don't really see why one would not just send their kids to public school already if they have no objections to the public school environment.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 23 2009, 6:41 pm Post subject: re: Hebrew Language Academy Charter School |
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My issue with charter schools is that they are not allowed to integrate judaic and secular studies. So when your kids are learning about ancient Rome, the teacher is not allowed to mention the Beis Hamikdash and the Churban.
Also, the school would not be allowed to have teachers lead benching during lunch, or have davening in the morning AND afternoon (bc charter schools basically split the school day into secular, and jewish. so if you want to daven, learn, bench, etc, you can only do it during half the day)
It seems like it would be a good solution though. In Europe, schools are not as expensive, because the country pays for secular studies and your tuition only covers judaic studies and food, which I believe doesn't add up to more than 2.5 or 3K a year (for High school!!) But in Europe they don't have all the separation of church and state meshigas.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 23 2009, 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: re: Hebrew Language Academy Charter School |
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| cassandra wrote: | | So then why not send your kids to public school and just add another Hebrew language component as an after school subject? I don't really see why one would not just send their kids to public school already if they have no objections to the public school environment. |
I know people who do that, in fact we considered it, but its onerous. Kids get home from school at 3 pm or so, with a couple of hours' worth or homework, at least. Adding an entire curriculum on top of that, particularly where its not expected, is difficult for a lot of kids.
It might be easier to handle at a charter school if the second curriculum is done by most kids -- ie, the teachers know not to give too much homework because of .... whatever it is.
There are a couple of Hebrew language charter schools in the US. I know there's one in Florida, and one in Brooklyn. The NYC one is quite controversial, and I doubt another will be approved. In fact, there were recently some strong editorials against a 2nd proposed school.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 23 2009, 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: re: Hebrew Language Academy Charter School |
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| Aribenj wrote: | My issue with charter schools is that they are not allowed to integrate judaic and secular studies. So when your kids are learning about ancient Rome, the teacher is not allowed to mention the Beis Hamikdash and the Churban.
Also, the school would not be allowed to have teachers lead benching during lunch, or have davening in the morning AND afternoon (bc charter schools basically split the school day into secular, and jewish. so if you want to daven, learn, bench, etc, you can only do it during half the day)
It seems like it would be a good solution though. In Europe, schools are not as expensive, because the country pays for secular studies and your tuition only covers judaic studies and food, which I believe doesn't add up to more than 2.5 or 3K a year (for High school!!) But in Europe they don't have all the separation of church and state meshigas. |
A charter school does not split the day into secular and Jewish. The entire day is secular. Hebrew language, as well as history and culture, can be taught. NO RELIGION AT ALL. That means no staff-led davening, same as any public school.
You may be confused with UPK programs. Those programs are generally half-day. Some providers try to get around that by having 1/2 day (the UPK) part secular, then putting all of the religious elements in the 2d half.
Edit to add that I don't consider the separation of church and state to be *meshugas* Jews have been amongst the people to benefit most from it. We're a minority. The Xtian Right would be more than happy to put crosses or crucifixes in every public school classroom (and most Jews attend public schools) and to require every child to thank Je-sus every day. They'd put 'em up in every government office, every court, every -- well, everywhere.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 23 2009, 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: re: Hebrew Language Academy Charter School |
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| Aribenj wrote: |
It seems like it would be a good solution though. In Europe, schools are not as expensive, because the country pays for secular studies and your tuition only covers judaic studies and food, which I believe doesn't add up to more than 2.5 or 3K a year (for High school!!) But in Europe they don't have all the separation of church and state meshigas. |
only some jewish schools in europe (and only some countries) receive state aid.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 23 2009, 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: re: Hebrew Language Academy Charter School |
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| Barbara wrote: |
A charter school does not split the day into secular and Jewish. The entire day is secular. Hebrew language, as well as history and culture, can be taught. NO RELIGION AT ALL. That means no staff-led davening, same as any public school.
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Exactly. There is one near us. So many people ran to switch their kids there. They wanted to their children to be with other Jewish children, learn Hebrew and history of Israel. These families are quite happy to now not have to pay tuition. It's a shame because they went from learning Torah as part of their day, what is really a public school with Hebrew language.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 23 2009, 8:31 pm Post subject: re: Hebrew Language Academy Charter School |
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I live near Ben Gamla which is a Hebrew language charter school here in south florida. The crowd is 80% Jewish Israeli and although it is still building itself and its reputation (it is in its second academic year) it is a nice option for parents who cannot pay for private school, would not be in a Yeshiva system and would otherwise be in public school. A local Chabad rabbi organizes prayers for the students before school and they rent the campus to offer below cost Hebrew school on campus immediately following school which ends earlyish (public school schedule). The parents are getting a pretty good deal in that most although not all, of the kids are Jewish and it is completely free of charge. _________________ "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving." ~~ Albert Einstein
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Posted: Mon, Mar 23 2009, 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: re: Hebrew Language Academy Charter School |
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| Barbara wrote: | | Aribenj wrote: | My issue with charter schools is that they are not allowed to integrate judaic and secular studies. So when your kids are learning about ancient Rome, the teacher is not allowed to mention the Beis Hamikdash and the Churban.
Also, the school would not be allowed to have teachers lead benching during lunch, or have davening in the morning AND afternoon (bc charter schools basically split the school day into secular, and jewish. so if you want to daven, learn, bench, etc, you can only do it during half the day)
It seems like it would be a good solution though. In Europe, schools are not as expensive, because the country pays for secular studies and your tuition only covers judaic studies and food, which I believe doesn't add up to more than 2.5 or 3K a year (for High school!!) But in Europe they don't have all the separation of church and state meshigas. |
Edit to add that I don't consider the separation of church and state to be *meshugas* Jews have been amongst the people to benefit most from it. We're a minority. The Xtian Right would be more than happy to put crosses or crucifixes in every public school classroom (and most Jews attend public schools) and to require every child to thank Je-sus every day. They'd put 'em up in every government office, every court, every -- well, everywhere. |
I do believe in separation of church and state I feel exactly the same way. I just feel like sometimes this is taken to the extreme to further certain agendas.
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