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Posted: Thu, Feb 05 2009, 3:49 am Post subject: Brenna? Yiddish name? Name changing? |
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If I'm told my Bubbie's Hebrew name is Baila Brenna what does Brenna mean? Could they have meant Braina? I'm pretty sure it is Yiddish.
If I'm told her mother's name is Ronia (Ronya?) as in rhymes with Sonia have you heard that name before? I'm having trouble looking them up.
My family can't remember anything
I was also told a greatgrandfather was called Hymie so I asked "was his Hebrew name Chaim?" and was answered with a "probably".
More confusion: I always called myself bat Tamar because that is my mother's Hebrew name. Well now she is calling herself Tamar Esther. Her middle name is Elizabeth (she has an secular first name she goes by too). She said her mother always called her Esther Shmester which she thought was a joke until she decided it must be her second Hebrew name. So am I now bat Tamar Esther?
My mother did this with my middle name as well...I don't want to give myself away, but let's pretend my middle name was always Michelle. Well one day she told me I was Michal. And I said you can't just make up a name similar to my name and she said that Michal was her grandmother's name and she had always named me that in her heart.....although she never told anyone about it before.
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For your mother's name confusion, what does her Ketubah say?
As for Ronia, my Big Book of Ashkenazi Names says it's a derivative of Rone/Rona. It might be from Veronica or Verona. There are two other possible names it was taken from, but the characters are in Cyrillic and I don't have that on my computer. I think it's Rona, Ronye and Ronia. _________________
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| YESHASettler wrote: | For your mother's name confusion, what does her Ketubah say?
As for Ronia, my Big Book of Ashkenazi Names says it's a derivative of Rone/Rona. It might be from Veronica or Verona. There are two other possible names it was taken from, but the characters are in Cyrillic and I don't have that on my computer. I think it's Rona, Ronye and Ronia. |
Her Ketubah is in the basement, because she got mad when she learned it considered her property and besides it probably said whatever name she told them to put. I put both my names on mine, because I had my husband name me that just in case my mom didn't do a proper naming.
Thank you for looking up Ronia. Veronica isn't a Hebrew name though is it? I'm very sure it is a Yiddish or Hebrew name, because she went by something else. Does your book have Brenna or something that sounds like it? On her grave it just says Baila I think, but I should double check.
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Baila Brenna is PROBABLY Baila Bryna. _________________ Emmanuel Tzvi: 26 Shevat 5766
Shai Michael: 8 Cheshvan 5768
Yitzchak Meir: 19 Iyar 5770
Dvir Aharon: 10 Tammuz 5772
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| Marion wrote: | | Baila Brenna is PROBABLY Baila Bryna. |
What does Bryna mean? How do you pronounce it?
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| amother wrote: | | Thank you for looking up Ronia. Veronica isn't a Hebrew name though is it? I'm very sure it is a Yiddish or Hebrew name, because she went by something else. Does your book have Brenna or something that sounds like it? On her grave it just says Baila I think, but I should double check. |
Veronica is not a Hebrew name. What you need to realize though is that Yiddish was very heavily influenced by the region the Jewish community was in. Yiddish in Germany, Russia, Poland, Hungary, etc is not the same.
Also, naming practices until the influx of Jews to the US and even then, not until (I would imagine) the 1960's were also heavily influenced on where the community was, rather than the fact that it was Jewish.
Brenna is probably Brayne/Brayndle/Bronia a derivative of Brune. The thought is it comes from the old word for brown.
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Bryna is pronounced probably the same way as how you spelled it (Braina), although I've never seen it spelled that way.
I as in ice cream, a as in aahhh! Or in Yiddish I suppose Bryne, with the e as in eh?
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Posted: Thu, Feb 05 2009, 7:18 am Post subject: re: Brenna? Yiddish name? Name changing? |
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Breyna is "brunette". I have never seen Bryna but I suppose it's an American way of showing the sound like in high, thigh...
Baila is from "Bella", Ladino "beautiful". Breyna is from German.
Baile and Breyne are used too (with a -eh in the end, NOT the trendy -ee/I thing, at least in Europe Yiddish...). _________________
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| "Breyne" to me would have an "a" sound. Like pray/prey, gray/grey/ bray/brey... (no, brey is not a valid spelling for bray, it's just to make the point).
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Posted: Thu, Feb 05 2009, 8:08 am Post subject: re: Brenna? Yiddish name? Name changing? |
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| I know 2 brynas, (prbably more) and it is pronounced "ai" as in high. also Breindel.
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Posted: Thu, Feb 05 2009, 8:11 am Post subject: re: Brenna? Yiddish name? Name changing? |
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| breindel is a pet form but often the name on the ketuba is Breyna (I suppose not always)
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Posted: Thu, Feb 05 2009, 11:17 am Post subject: re: Brenna? Yiddish name? Name changing? |
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I know of a Bronya (rhymes with sausage) - no idea if it's the same name. _________________ The results of our actions are not up to us or even necessarily a direct consequence of them. The only thing that's really in our power is our perspective, that everything that happens is for the (our) good.
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Posted: Thu, Feb 05 2009, 11:21 am Post subject: re: Brenna? Yiddish name? Name changing? |
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I don't think the name is Bryna/Braina then. It definitely sounds like Brenna. Bren rhymes with men, na rhymes with ma.
I always learned that Baila is Bilah, not Bella and means white.
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| My DH's grandmother was Bella in English & Baila Bryna in Hebrew/Yiddish.
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