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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:08 pm    Post subject: TIVO on Shabbos
 
Does anybody tape shows on Shabbos? I have TIVO where it is a digital system (but I used to record on Shabbos also using VCR tapes). I thought if it was set up before Shabbos and would work automatically (like a light timer) that it was ok. But someone told me that they recently asked our Rabbi and he said recording on Shabbos is not allowed. He said they do not even use the security cameras on Shabbos at the shul for this reason.

I feel quite guilty now, but does anyone know the reason why this is different than using a timer for lights?

By the way, I know this is a question for my Rav, but I just was interested to hear if others had thoughts/experiene with this.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:08 pm    Post subject: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
Put this in the MO section and I'll answer you.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:10 pm    Post subject: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
Sorry, I don't know how to switch sections. Should I just re-post?
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:11 pm    Post subject: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
yeah, repost. Or I can PM you.

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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:12 pm    Post subject:
 
Aha, a glimpse into the MO section for everyone else. Can people who used to be MO join?
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:12 pm    Post subject: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
Not you.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:13 pm    Post subject: Re: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
cassandra wrote:
Not you.


Wow, that's blunt! or sarcasic, can't tell.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
cassandra wrote:
Not you.


Am I being singled out? Razz
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:20 pm    Post subject: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
Of course not. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:21 pm    Post subject: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
I'm not sure why this can't be discussed here, but I"ll re-post in MO section.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:22 pm    Post subject: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
You can discuss it here. But posting it privately will save you a lot of heartache.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:24 pm    Post subject: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
I'm up for a little controversy. And I've got nothing to hide. If I know it's wrong, I will no longer do it. Are you willing to share here Cassandra?
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:27 pm    Post subject:
 
I am trying, but I can't figure out what the problem would be.
And tivo saves things automatically, would you have to disable it altogether so it wouldn't do that?
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
Fabulous wrote:
cassandra wrote:
Not you.


Wow, that's blunt! or sarcasic, can't tell.


It's also true. Shalhevet is, by her own admission, no longer MO. That means she doesn't belong in the MO forum, the same way I don't belong in the Litvish forum.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:29 pm    Post subject: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
Speaking as someone who used to do it (and feel very guilty), I think it's more the spirit of the law than the letter of the law.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
avigailmiriam wrote:
Fabulous wrote:
cassandra wrote:
Not you.


Wow, that's blunt! or sarcasic, can't tell.


It's also true. Shalhevet is, by her own admission, no longer MO. That means she doesn't belong in the MO forum, the same way I don't belong in the Litvish forum.


I think cassandra was just teasing. She knows shalhevet already, and that she usually has very strong valid arguments.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:32 pm    Post subject: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
Can we get back on track? Anyone know the halachic reason?
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
amother wrote:
Speaking as someone who used to do it (and feel very guilty), I think it's more the spirit of the law than the letter of the law.


I thought we generally went with the letter, rather than the spirit of the law? If the spirit of the law is to refrain from work, then why shouldn't I sew on Shabbat. After all, for me it's realxation? Isn't the letter of the law the reason we can use light timers, blechs, etc....?
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:35 pm    Post subject: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
AFAIK recording by VCR is assur but by TIVO is mutar because the issue is hashmaas kol and when you record with TIVO you don't hear anything.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 30 2008, 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: re: TIVO on Shabbos
 
Mrs. XYZ wrote:
avigailmiriam wrote:
Fabulous wrote:
cassandra wrote:
Not you.


Wow, that's blunt! or sarcasic, can't tell.


It's also true. Shalhevet is, by her own admission, no longer MO. That means she doesn't belong in the MO forum, the same way I don't belong in the Litvish forum.


I think cassandra was just teasing. She knows shalhevet already, and that she usually has very strong valid arguments.


Yup, it's fine, we are good virtual friends through plenty of pms. I still like her, even if she doesn't want me in her forum. Razz
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