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Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 5:33 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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Akeres I have stated many times why I prefer McCain to Obama. Others have as well.
It has nothing to do with his race, or for me, his middle name.
I am, frankly, sick of being called a racist because I won't vote for him.
I have quite a lot of issues with how Obama works and the positions he has taken. I have less issues with McCain.
Pro-Obama's can either accept the fact that I examined the issue and reached the conclusion that McCain was better suited for office or not accept it, but I resent the appellation of racist because of how I vote. _________________ But then again, I'm a dragon.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 8:04 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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Okay Akeres,
I'll answer your question. I am a conservative who agrees with the republican party on most issues (security, economic, social, etc.) so therefore I would vote for almost any republican unless there was a glaring reason not to. Therefore, I am voting for McCain.
Nothing to do with race.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 8:05 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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Nancy Pelosi? You quote HER? ughhhhh...
I have MANY reasons to not vote obama. He is a flip-flopper for one. Try justifying that one. oh and I cannot vote for a man that says there are 57 states in the USA. He can go be president of the non-existent seven states.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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| octopus wrote: | Nancy Pelosi? You quote HER? ughhhhh...
I have MANY reasons to not vote obama. He is a flip-flopper for one. Try justifying that one. oh and I cannot vote for a man that says there are 57 states in the USA. He can go be president of the non-existent seven states. |
Is that one true and accurate? If so makes you wonder how he graduated columbia & harvard, gosh that would tarnish the schools reputations badly.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 9:02 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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Akeres I hope you would judge 99.99% of the women on this board as smarter than to base a vote on someone's race.
I do not agree with Obama's policies, I saw how liberal and leftist he was to earn his party's nomination and how centrist he is now trying to appear to win the national election. I do not trust his promises will be kept. I also don't like the politics of Biden or Hillary Clinton and wouldn't have given them my vote either, and they are white.
I judge people based on their character. Period.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 10:28 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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Akeres, it's really hard for me to read your posts. I try but can't get past the first few sentences. Forgive me, but when I see hundreds of words clumped together, my mind starts wandering to more interesting or legible posts.
The racist card is an old trick and a smear. It's source is from an elitist attitude.
People aren't dumb. We may not agree on issues but that doesn't make either of us dumber or smarter than each other. _________________ The Chanukah licht transcends all.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 10:42 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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On the economy:
Any financial expert worth his weight knows that as McCain said at the debate: The fundamentals of the US economy are strong.
Our own fear is our worst enemy right now. The more we fear-monger, the worse it will be. The more we concentrate on jobs lost, money struggles, etc., over the next while, the more people will be scared to put their money into the markets or spend necessary amounts to right the economy.
Obama is laying the fear on heavy, as if to sympathize with us out here who are losing shocking amounts as the days pass. The media echoes him, helping out his position, and they are all helping the economy worsen each day.
McCain says, we'll have hard times but it will pass. That's the kind of leadership we need right now. Assurance, confidence, real problem solving. That will get us through.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 10:50 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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| Quote: | | I understand he was a war hero,that doesn't make him a great president.He voted w/bush 90% of the time,he is no maverick,even people in his own party said he isn't the Mccain he use to be when he came from the war.(dispute this please |
Yes he did vote that way --- but--- Congressional Quarterly rates Obama as voting with his party 97 percent of the time since becoming a U.S. senator. (Factcheck.org)
Now thats percentage--- McCain has been in office for a long time so that 10% independence is SO MUCH larger than Obamas 3% of voting against his party
And I would hope that McCain has mellowed in the last 3 decades, that does not take away from his strong moral fiber... I think that Obama needs that amount of time to gain more experience.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 10:52 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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The first and foremost job of the leader of a country is to protect its citizens from those who wish to attack/destroy her. That's why I vote McCain. period. The economy goes in cycles. There will be no economy if America gets destroyed.
I find it mind-boggling how any frum Jew could possibly vote for obama. There are so many question marks regarding his ties to extremely questionable ppl/institutions. Obama has gotten the most campaign money in the history of the USA-more than any other candidate. His donors are mostly untraceable, but some have been linked to overseas credit cards from arab lands. The man is scary. Heck, some DA from pennsylvania is suing him over whether he is even ELIGIBLE to run as president. And this guy is a DEMOCRAT.Some ppl are so stuck on their party that they would rather trip over their own two feet than admit that their own party has dug up someone shady.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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| GR wrote: | On the economy:
Any financial expert worth his weight knows that as McCain said at the debate: The fundamentals of the US economy are strong. |
I beg to differ as do many economists. Greenspan doesn't agree and I think he's worth his weight. | Quote: | | The former chairman of the Federal Reserve said that the crisis had shaken his very understanding of how markets work, and agreed that certain financial derivatives should be regulated — an idea he had long resisted. |
read more here:
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Posted: Sun, Oct 26 2008, 3:57 am Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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to those on the 3rd page,who have given concise answers I appreciate that,and Hinda Rochel,when u posts I try and look at it from your point of view bc,u do give answers that make me pause long enough to check out the info(I still dont side w/u,but it gives me pause )
GR,I apologize that my grammer is atrocious,but my dh isn't home to proof read,and a lot of times,my passion overrides the proper structure of a paragraph (thank G-d in my literature classes my creativity and imagination outweighed the grammer)
although u have all given answers of why mccain,are u not worried about his health and his running mate?why do u think she is able to step in the shoes of the president?we can't say she is just a VP when a VP's job description is to break a tie,and to step in when the President is no longer able to do so.
U really think that Mccain made a good decision in the campaign,by choosing Palin for a running mate?if so?why?
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Posted: Sun, Oct 26 2008, 8:47 am Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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Has anyone seen this?
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=205653
Looks like Obama has a relationship with a prominent Palestinian. I'm kinda wondering why this doesn't worry anyone. _________________ “All that is thought should not be said. All that is said should not be written. All that is written should not be published. All that is published should not be read.”
Rabbi Menachem Mendel of Kotzk
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Posted: Sun, Oct 26 2008, 9:03 am Post subject: Re: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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| Akeres Habayis wrote: | to those on the 3rd page,who have given concise answers I appreciate that,and Hinda Rochel,when u posts I try and look at it from your point of view bc,u do give answers that make me pause long enough to check out the info(I still dont side w/u,but it gives me pause )
GR,I apologize that my grammer is atrocious,but my dh isn't home to proof read,and a lot of times,my passion overrides the proper structure of a paragraph (thank G-d in my literature classes my creativity and imagination outweighed the grammer)
although u have all given answers of why mccain,are u not worried about his health and his running mate?why do u think she is able to step in the shoes of the president?we can't say she is just a VP when a VP's job description is to break a tie,and to step in when the President is no longer able to do so.
U really think that Mccain made a good decision in the campaign,by choosing Palin for a running mate?if so?why? |
Thanks for the attempt, Akeres. Spaces between thoughts are a welcome sight.
I said from day one that I do not consider Palin a good VP pick, she undermines McCain's candidacy, ruins his electability. However, I'd rather have a do-nothing in office than a do-awful. Besides, I'm not the kind of person that imagines a guy's gonna drop dead in less than four years. It doesn't concern me.
Chavamom- No one really knows what's going to be, but fearmongering and exaggeration on the situation doesn't even give the economy a chance.
Chossidmom's link is about this:
| Quote: | | LA Times Won’t Release Video of Obama Saluting Ex-PLO Operative at Jew-Bash Dinner |
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Posted: Sun, Oct 26 2008, 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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[quote="Akeres Habayis"]
Mccain refuse to show his medical records in their entirety.he gave over 200pages to be looked at within 2hrs(these were the stipulations made)u couldn't make copies,everything needed to be written down.the med who were reviewing the documents said "its impossible".what's the big secrecy?if he is in tip top shape shouldn't he say"read them and weep?"Doctors have been asked across the country about his past medical problems,(CVS this should happen)9times out of 10 it will return!!then we will have palin for president.so even more so,I need to know if she can step in the shoes,to be president of the United States of America./quote]
hmmmmmm.... McCain should show his medical records but Obama doesn't have to produce his REAL, original birth certificate? double standards, again.
Whoever says that Palin will very likely be the president- well, no one knows the future, speculation is purely stupid. McCain's mother is still alive, so if you like to speculate, you can say he really has great longevity genes. There are no guarantees with anyone.
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Posted: Sun, Oct 26 2008, 10:30 am Post subject: Re: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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| Akeres Habayis wrote: | to those on the 3rd page,who have given concise answers I appreciate that,and Hinda Rochel,when u posts I try and look at it from your point of view bc,u do give answers that make me pause long enough to check out the info(I still dont side w/u,but it gives me pause )
GR,I apologize that my grammer is atrocious,but my dh isn't home to proof read,and a lot of times,my passion overrides the proper structure of a paragraph (thank G-d in my literature classes my creativity and imagination outweighed the grammer)
although u have all given answers of why mccain,are u not worried about his health and his running mate?why do u think she is able to step in the shoes of the president?we can't say she is just a VP when a VP's job description is to break a tie,and to step in when the President is no longer able to do so.
U really think that Mccain made a good decision in the campaign,by choosing Palin for a running mate?if so?why? |
I actually kind of like Palin, and much that has been posted about her has been a smear.
My bit of forecasting here: I think if McCain wins the presidency things in the USA will stabilize somewhat. But I also think that the USA is in its final years, and McCain will provide a kind of bridge between now and the real bad times that will hit the USA just before the Moshiach comes.
I know that isn't reasonable thinking, it is gut feeling. But sometimes you know you got to go with your gut.
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Posted: Sun, Oct 26 2008, 12:33 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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| Quote: | | Oy, this is one of the most ridiculous yet. Ayers was in hiding when Obama was at Harvard |
Lol then u too have it wrong, he funded b/4 went to Harvard so I heard was arrested after so I read who really knows what is true they will always distort
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Posted: Sun, Oct 26 2008, 12:37 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin? |
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| tefila,when I saw your name,I said to myself"she's posting after having the baby!"lol I realize it's tehilla!!
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