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sarahd - it's true and I just verified it by speaking to a Bobover woman and a Gerer woman
both of them said that their daughters do not learn chasidus but learn chasidic history and stories, also vertlach
for that matter, their boys don't learn chasidus either, at least not officially in the yeshiva curriculum
if the boys learn chasidus, it's on their own
the Gerer woman said her son learns Sefas Emes on his own, and she wasn't happy with this, saying she doesn't think it's something he can just learn on his own
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| Posted: Tue, Nov 30 2004, 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | if you look at those horrible children's coloring books that have all the yidden leaving Mitzrayim in their shtreimels...definitely Moshe Rabbenu was their Rebbe |
Hey, why the animosity, so I was wrong, wrong conc computers in chassidishe world.
But why the hostility conc Moshe Rabbeinu being a chosid Rebbe etc if you think otherwise go ahead and tell me "you were'nt born then so how would you know", or something like that! Even joke with me I can take it.
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Sorry, I left out the smilie face. I was really joking about the coloring books. I find it really amusing how they make everyone chassidish - what's the matter with historical accuracy?
| Quote: | | Lubavitch does not have a monopoly on chassidishly educated women |
This assumption did annoy me.
I have no bad experiences with chassidim. I am married to one. I have lots of chassidish relatives with whom I get along really well. My grandfather was chassidish. Some of my best friends are chassidish. 
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sarahd What I most definatley would agree with you on, is halavay all Lubavitcher women myself incl, should dress like the other chassidim  
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| freilich wrote: | | sarahd What I most definatley would agree with you on, is halavay all Lubavitcher women myself incl, should dress like the other chassidim |
Did I say that? Don't recall it. Doesn't sound like me. I don't want to agree with you, as that would be horribly rude, not being Lubavitch myself, but I do agree that we can learn something from how chassidish women dress.
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| Posted: Wed, Dec 01 2004, 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Atchually you didn't say that! What I meant to say was, One thing I will say (so agreeing was out of context here) Thanks 
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| Quote: | nowadays, litvishe people have adopted chasidic ways and the way some of them consult and follow their gadol/rosh yeshiva is the way some chasidic groups (not Chabad) follow their Rebbe
but this is a new phenomenon |
hmmm, let me see,
Ose lecha Rov is a new phenomenon?
As far as I know it's a mitzva medeOraisa
LOOKING UP TO A RAV WAS ALWAYS A JEWISH WAY, not exclusevly hasidish way.
I do not know what whas before, but right now, aside from learning hasidus, hasidim and litvaks do not differ much - we have different minhagim and chasidim have a central Rebbi for their group who has the final word, and who is the most-sought for advise.
| Quote: | | some chasidic groups (not Chabad) follow their Rebbe |
how is Chabad different? I'm just qurious.
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PS I agree w/ sarahd about those colouring books - they graphycs are terrible
And historical accuracy..... well.... you know....
Need new colouring books, don't we? LOL
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| Quote: | Ose lecha Rov is a new phenomenon?
As far as I know it's a mitzva medeOraisa |
it's a mishna in Pirkei Avos, not a mitzva in Torah
the mitzva in Torah that you might be thinking of is not to veer to right or left from what the rabbis say
neither asei lecha rav nor the mitzva have anything to do with the Rebbe-Chasid phenomenon which is being copied by the Rosh Yeshiva-Talmid relationship
| Quote: | | LOOKING UP TO A RAV WAS ALWAYS A JEWISH WAY, not exclusevly hasidish way. |
again, the Rebbe-Chasid is relationship has nothing to do with looking up to a rav
it's an entirely different relationship, one you are admittedly not familiar with (not blaming, just pointing out what you yourself have noted, that you are not familiar with chasidic ways)
| Quote: | | I do not know what whas before, but right now, aside from learning hasidus, hasidim and litvaks do not differ much - we have different minhagim and chasidim have a central Rebbi for their group who has the final word, and who is the most-sought for advise. |
I will agree with you when it comes to non-Chabad chasidim, for Chabad Chasidim it's VASTLY DIFFERENT
| Quote: | | how is Chabad different? I'm just qurious |
specifically?
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| Quote: | | again, the Rebbe-Chasid is relationship has nothing to do with looking up to a rav it's an entirely different relationship, one you are admittedly not familiar with (not blaming, just pointing out what you yourself have noted, that you are not familiar with chasidic ways) |
being a chasid (correct me if I'm wrong) how do you know about litvish so well?
of course we're different. However, I do not think it's that different.
If people were willing to find similarities instead of differences (and, in some cases, stick up their noses based on their 'superior' differences) there would be more shalom in our world.
So how is Chasid's attachment to a Rav differen from relationship beween a litvish talmis & his Rebbi?
well, Motek, yo uwrote:
| Quote: | | to a large extent, this is true for chasidic groups other than Chabad | in responce to my
| Quote: | | Main difference betw. litvaks & hasidim is clothing and men/ women separation. |
so, how is Chabad different????
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| Quote: | | PS I agree w/ sarahd about those colouring books - they graphycs are terrible |
Why, b/c they show chassidim 
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| Posted: Sat, Dec 04 2004, 7:38 am Post subject: |
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I'm reading this thread and I'm just wondering
WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION?
Get a grip
We are all jews, who cares about how we are different
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| Quote: | | So how is Chasid's attachment to a Rav differen from relationship beween a litvish talmis & his Rebbi? |
FY - you seem to be mixing up the idea of a Rav and the idea of a Rebbe. I dont have time to explain it right now but I'll come back to it unless someone else gets to it meanwhile.
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| freilich wrote: | | Quote: | | PS I agree w/ sarahd about those colouring books - they graphycs are terrible |
Why, b/c they show chassidim |
Yes, because they portray the Jews leaving Egypt as chassidim in shtreimels, which is really ridiculous. Historical anachronisms drive me nuts.
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| Quote: | | FY - you seem to be mixing up the idea of a Rav and the idea of a Rebbe |
Nop, I know the difference.
However, the underlying concept is the same.
Ose leha rav, shimush talmid chacham -
these concepts are as old as the time itself!
Ok, they developed differently, but from the same Torah!!!!!
What really annoys me here is that some people concentrate on differences so much.
going back to the original question:
| Quote: | | what makes her Chassidic as opposed to just religious? |
and to what Yael wrote:
| Quote: | | motek please clarify what you mean. if you mean what makes someone a chosid and not a misnaged or litvak, then the answer is easy, they learn chassidus and have a rebbe. if you mean what makes someone chassidish (meaning more frum)as opposed to more modern/ lenient/ whatever |
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| Quote: | | I guess what makes them different is minhagim they keep |
Motek, unless there is a spesific answer that you're looking for (or an issue you're trying to resolve) I am not sure why thsese answers from Chasidish women do not satisfy you.
Also, Motek, you began this thread and you are chasidish, why don't you share your opinion with us?
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how about if the posters who find this discussion disturbing, don't read it?
but if you are reading it, and do have questions, how about being courteous?
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| Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2004, 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Motek, why dont u just answer her question about what your opinion is ..I dont think Fy finds the thread disturbing , I think she wants to know more
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amother
I think I have b"h a good one And found it on this thread
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Ok maybe my last sentence was totaly unnecessary so I APOLOGIZE Amother.... forgive me. Maybe though Amother when you post next time do it a bit gentler!
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| Posted: Sun, Dec 05 2004, 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Motek, what is YOUR answer to your question
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| I'm also curious, Motek: what's your opinion on the topic you raised? You must have some sort of idea of the definition of a Chassidic woman. What about yourself causes you to define yourself as chassidish?
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