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as I said before there are just things that are chassidish, ie. having an "untouched" beard. im racking my brains trying to think of other ones, that all chassidim do and not just Lubavitch,
going to mikvah throughout the year? going to the Rebbe for Yom Tov?
there are other Chassidus books that are not chabad- chassidus- "Noam Elimelech" I think the Chernobyler Rebbe wrote sfarim too. Interesting enough I heard a speaker last night say everyone should learn all Sifrei Chassidus, not just from Chabad Chassidus because all of the Chassidus from the Baal Shem Tov has to be revealed in the times before Moshiach.
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FY... I actually have been reading this thread only because I wanted to see your question answered. I agreed in a sense with amother (it was not me... I say what I think with my own name and don't even know the password to amother)..
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| zuncompany wrote: | | ( I say what I think with my own name and don't even know the password to amother).. |
hey Zun.. I also am like that. I dont like saying things anonymously. I think if its important enough to say it, I might as well sign my name on it. unless its very personal, then its a different story...
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| RG wrote: | as I said before there are just things that are chassidish, ie. having an "untouched" beard. im racking my brains trying to think of other ones, that all chassidim do and not just Lubavitch,
going to mikvah throughout the year? going to the Rebbe for Yom Tov?
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how about the distinctive levush? Wearing a gartel. Davening nusach Sfard. Having a Rebbe (whether you visit him on Yom Tov or not  ). Saying "leshem yichud". Adding "Veyatzmach purkonei" to Kaddish. Actually, all these apply only to men, and the thread is about women. Maybe being a chassidish woman means having a chassidish husband? 
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LOL, sarahd, LOL, LOL, LOL, rotfl (rolling on the flooe laughing)
so you're a really chasidish woman now, aren't you? 
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| ForeverYoung wrote: | LOL, sarahd, LOL, LOL, LOL, rotfl (rolling on the flooe laughing)
so you're a really chasidish woman now, aren't you? |
Yeah, well, that's my problem with what I wrote. Here I am with a wonderful chassidish husband, and I still don't feel (or look) chassidish! What to do? 
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didnt your minhagim change? do you cover your hair differently than you would have? eat different kashrus standards? keep different chumras on Pesach? I mean things you do personally, not just what your husband davens in shul or wears...
wearing a gartel is definitely a chassidish thing. and the others to do with levush...
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| RG wrote: | | didnt your minhagim change? do you cover your hair differently than you would have? |
No, not unless I'm going to shul in Yerushalayim, when I wear a scarf over my sheitel. I didn't shave my hair or anything like that either.
| Quote: | | eat different kashrus standards? keep different chumras on Pesach? |
Well, as my family is Ashkenaz we were happy brokkers - with me the happiest, until I got married. I make the best kneidels in the world  and it's all wasted now.  Otherwise, I must say that my family keeps more chumros than my husband's family and so far we spend Pesach with my family (who sacrifice their kneidlach for the sake of our company ) so I don't even know what my husband's personal chumros are.
As for kashrus standards, my community here has one shechita, that everyone uses. We ate cholov Yisroel and pas Yisroel anyhow. So what more?
| Quote: | | I mean things you do personally, not just what your husband davens in shul or wears... |
So no, my life hasn't changed much since I married (as far as being chassidish goes) which happens to be just what my husband promised while we were dating!
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I think that saying that was makes a person chassidish is the fact that he wears a gartel etc. is incorrect. it seems to me that these are only superficial differences (quite literally).
a chossid is someone who goes above the letter of the law in keeping mitzvos, as I think was mentioned somewhere else. however, I think this is also too simplistic to really answer the question.
I think the answer is too complex to answer in a post; it requires a lot of in depth studying. it's also individualistic-being a chossid is defined differently for each person based on her level.
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these are "chassidish things" though.
take someone who is not chassidish- can you imagine him wearing a gartel?
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| and if you put him in a gartel, that makes him chassidish?
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actually, I know of a not chasidish men who ware gartels.
Imanut, many litvaks I know fit into your description (see my post somewhere above).
I really want to hear how today's chasidim are different besides minhagim.
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| I guess the proper question should be: if you take an "ideal chassid" and an "ideal litvak," what are their differences?
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how about starting with:
what is their goal in life? what drives them to do mitzvos?
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| this is not to concentrate on the differences. this is to clarify (the original) question: "what is a chassidic woman?"
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being I'm not chasidish, I don't know.
Can you pls tell me?
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| Quote: | | being a chasid (correct me if I'm wrong) how do you know about litvish so well? |
I am intimately connected with both worlds.
| Quote: | | well, Motek, you uwrote: |
| Quote: | | to a large extent, this is true for chasidic groups other than Chabad | in responce to my
| Quote: | | Main difference betw. litvaks & hasidim is clothing and men/ women separation. |
| Quote: | | so, how is Chabad different??? |
the answer is so huge
there's truth to the joke (?) that Chabad is the closest thing to Judaism!
although superficially it looks more-or-less the same, we keep the same Shabbos, yomim tovim, kashrus, etc., it's completely different
the mashal that is given is of a house that is dark and cold - picture it, an entire house, furniture, fixtures, appliances, but you feel around in it, in the dark and cold
what happens when you turn the lights on?
WOW!
so what changed?
it's the same house, the same stuff that was there before! So the light was turned on, so what?
we all understand how the light makes all the difference
so too (esp. now in the winter!) when the house is heated
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everything viewed from a chasidic perspective is different
G-D
Torah
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the purpose of creation
what a Jew is
so do we keep the same Torah and do the same mitzvos?
Absolutely.
but, it's a completely different understanding, mindset
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as for non-Chabad Chasidim, men and especially women, their knowledge of chasidus is often weak since learning Chasidus is not taught directly
non-Chabad Chasidim have many chasidic ideas/concepts through the stories they learn, the vertlach, their culture
| Quote: | | So how is Chasid's attachment to a Rav differen from relationship beween a litvish talmid & his Rebbi? |
the chasid's attachment to his Rebbe (not rav) is a soul connection
the Rebbe has a neshama kelalis - a "general, encompassing soul" which is connected to the souls of every Jew
just as your arm doesn't go off and do its own thing, because it's connected to your body and your brain controls your hand, so too, a Chassid is utterly (or ought to be) battul to the Rebbe. Bitul means I don't do what I want, what I feel like doing. It means I nullify myself to the Rosh Bnei Yisrael (acronym Rebi), and do what he says, as RG wrote way back on page 1. Not because the Chasid has no mind of his own, but because the Rebbe knows where he's at on a soul level, and anything the Rebbe says to do is based on this knowledge.
as opposed to a rosh yeshiva or rav whose function is to teach Gemara, halacha
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how come no one commented on this?
| Quote: | | No, not unless I'm going to shul in Yerushalayim, when I wear a scarf over my sheitel. I didn't shave my hair or anything like that either |
Sarahd you don't think that all us chassidish women shave our hair do you?
As far as I'm aware thats not a "Chassidish minhag" but a select few do it, and certainly no Chabad.
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| Ozmom wrote: | how come no one commented on this?
| Quote: | | No, not unless I'm going to shul in Yerushalayim, when I wear a scarf over my sheitel. I didn't shave my hair or anything like that either |
Sarahd you don't think that all us chassidish women shave our hair do you?
As far as I'm aware thats not a "Chassidish minhag" but a select few do it, and certainly no Chabad. |
Of course I don't think every chassidish woman shaves her head, but there was a thread here about cutting your hair real short as per the Lubavitcher Rebbe's desire. That was the "anything like that" I was referring to. Shaving your hair is not much more than that, you know. And based on my observation I think it's more than just a select few who do it.
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