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Posted: Thu, Nov 25 2004, 2:49 am Post subject:
Or atleast, try to in every possible manner. For me it means to rise above, try to do all what the Rebbe asks and try to learn more and more ... to serve Hashem with Joy! And encourage others to do so too! To be able to go to sleep at night and say did I try to do my shlichus today. Was I the best a chassidista could be?
Who knows ia"h one day, the answer will be YES
Joined: Sep 26 2004 Posts: 12357 Location: Galus, what can I tell u..............
Posted: Mon, Nov 29 2004, 3:07 pm Post subject:
Motek how many if any of these Great Tzaddikim you mentioned involved all... men, women and children. How many if any of these Tzadikim spoke to women both publicly and privatley, answered letters... gave dollars to every jewish person no matter how frum or not yet frum they were, and on Erev Rosh Hashona gave lakach-honey cake to men,women and children the list goes on and on. These Tzadikim just didn't involve all... like the Lubavitcher Rebbe did [/b].
He endeared his chassidim so that they felt his pain and his Joy.... like it was their own and vise versa. The Rebbe and Chassidim are like one entity.... one needs the other, and we for sure need the Rebbe more
so the question remains - what is meant when we say a "chassidishe woman"
you gave a good answer for what a "LUBAVITCHER chassidic woman" is, but what about the women from other chasidic groups - what makes them "chassidishe women"
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Posted: Mon, Nov 29 2004, 4:22 pm Post subject:
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to rise above, try to do all what the Rebbe asks
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To go beyond the call of duty...
To help her husband learn more etc
This applys to any chassidish women, no matter who she is affiliated with.... I think
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Posted: Mon, Nov 29 2004, 4:48 pm Post subject:
motek please clarify what you mean. if you mean what makes someone a chosid and not a misnaged or litvak, then the answer is easy, they learn chassidus and have a rebbe.
if you mean what makes someone chassidish (meaning more frum)as opposed to more modern/ lenient/ whatever, then thats a debate-able answer. some people give a list of requirements to call yourself chassidish. a list of must do's and must nots.
if thats what you want then please say so. I'd be happy to debate it with you. _________________ Levi- 9 yrs, Dovi- 8 yrs, Shevy- 6 yrs, Mendy- 4 years, Shaina Dina- 18 months
Yael, you make it into two questions but aren't they one and the same?
you ask is it 1) what is a chasid, or 2) what does being chasidish mean
well, doesn't a chasid behave in a chasidishe way?
so my question is - what is a "chasidishe woman" - both, how is she different than non-chasidic women and what does it mean that she is chasidic
the answers RG and Freilich gave are great, for Lubavitcher women
I think you gave the basic answer Yael for women of other chasidic groups, not that they learn Chasidus, because they don't, but that their alliegance is to a Rebbe, that they consult with him about shiduchim and other personal matters, that they usually send their children to schools that are affiliated with their Rebbe
What Freilich said would describe any orthodox person - we all have a Rav (Rebbi Rebe) we follow and try to emulate.
We are different in our minhagim, and hasidim, as a group, are different from litvaks, as a group. Within each group there are more 'different' groups, but we believe in the same G-d who gave us all ONE Torah.
Main difference betw. litvaks & hasidim is clothing and men/ women separation.
Another one is that chasidim rely on their rabbeim more. This is clearly illustrated in the length of the hair thred, where some people mentioned "b/c this is what the L. rebbi wants me to do". In the litvish world it would sound "b/c this is what I have to do al pi halacha" - nothing wrong in letting your Rebbi (not posek) deside what the halacha is, but the approach is different.
DISCLAIMER : this is how I see it. I love hasidim, have many hasidish friends and do not meen to put them down in any way!!!!!
What Freilich said would describe any orthodox person - we all have a Rav (Rebbi Rebe) we follow and try to emulate.
ForeverYoung - what Freilich wrote is VASTLY DIFFERENT than what the non-chasidic, frum Jew does
what she wrote in just a few words:
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try to do all what the Rebbe asks
belies the ENORMITY of what bittul to a Rebbe is all about
the hiskashrus (connection) to a Rebbe is NOT about following or emulating a great man
in the litvish world, young boys can dream and strive to be a gadol one day
in the chasidishe world, particularly in Chabad, not a single Chassid imagines he can ever be a Rebbe for he knows that a Rebbe is in a completely different category
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we believe in the same G-d who gave us all ONE Torah.
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Main difference betw. litvaks & hasidim is clothing and men/ women separation.
to a large extent, this is true for chasidic groups other than Chabad
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Another one is that chasidim rely on their rabbeim more
nowadays, litvishe people have adopted chasidic ways and the way some of them consult and follow their gadol/rosh yeshiva is the way some chasidic groups (not Chabad) follow their Rebbe
but this is a new phenomenon
re the hair example - the reason why that's not a good example is because you are comparing custom to law
a Lubavitcher will also say, "this is what I need to do al pi halacha" when it comes to halacha
Lubavitch utilizes technology to share the Torah with the world....the other Chassidim do not.... I even wonder if they use the computer!
Ask my husband; he's a chossid of the Belzer Rebbe and his business is computers. He ain't the only one! Regarding using computers for outreach, I don't think other chassiduses (sp?) are as technologically advanced or sophisticated in this sphere as Lubavitch (although most do do kiruv.)
I think you gave the basic answer Yael for women of other chasidic groups, not that they learn Chasidus, because they don't,
This is untrue. I know for a fact that the Gerrer and Bobover girls' schools teach chassidus, and I'm quite sure that others do too. Lubavitch does not have a monopoly on chassidishly educated women.
oh, for sure, if you look at those horrible children's coloring books that have all the yidden leaving Mitzrayim in their shtreimels...definitely Moshe Rabbenu was their Rebbe.
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Posted: Tue, Nov 30 2004, 6:41 pm Post subject:
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Lubavitch does not have a monopoly on chassidishly educated women
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if you look at those horrible children's coloring books that have all the yidden leaving Mitzrayim in their shtreimels...definitely Moshe Rabbenu was their Rebbe
Hey, why the animosity, so I was wrong, wrong conc computers in chassidishe world.
But why the hostility conc Moshe Rabbeinu being a chosid Rebbe etc if you think otherwise go ahead and tell me "you were'nt born then so how would you know", or something like that! Even joke with me I can take it. But that last sentence makes me wonder if you have had personal bad encounters with Chassidim... if that is the case then please don't generalize and blame us all for it...Remember we have more in common that unites us... then that which devides us....
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: this is how I see it. I love hasidim, have many hasidish friends and do not meen to put them down in any way!!!!!
I always thought Moshe Rabbenu was a Rebbe.
