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Posted: Thu, Sep 04 2008, 11:21 am Post subject: when can you put a baby to sleep on its stomach? |
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Officially? When they can lift their head. Unofficially? Up to you. My LC told me that professionally she had to tell me to put DS#2 to sleep on his back, but she also knows the value of actually getting some sleep, so her recommendation was to eliminate every other risk as much as possible and let him sleep on his tummy. _________________ Emmanuel Tzvi: 26 Shevat 5766
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Posted: Thu, Sep 04 2008, 12:11 pm Post subject: re: when can you put a baby to sleep on its stomach? |
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I let Avraham Tzvi sleep on his tummy from about 2 weeks on, it was just clear he was *not* going to sleep on his back. It made me very nervous until he was rolling, but like Marion said I eliminated every other risk and davened to do the best I could. B"H he's fine. _________________ Lucky Mom to 5
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I put DD to sleep on her stomach from the day she left the NICU (4 weeks before her due date) since she spit up all the time. I was more afraid of her aspirating spit-up than of SIDS.
She was sleeping in our bed and a bassinet next to our bed, however.
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| Why is it that we should not put babies to sleep on their tummies? I have always kept my baby on her back, unless for "tummy time," because that is what I was told to do, but no one ever told me why.
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Posted: Thu, Sep 04 2008, 12:22 pm Post subject: re: when can you put a baby to sleep on its stomach? |
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I thought that it was officially for the whole first year, but unofficially from when they can roll over if needed.
That said, I sometimes let DD sleep on her stomach if I am in the room (or going in and out).
My DS #2 wouldn't sleep flat on his back, but he would sleep in a bouncy seat. So that is where he slept every night.
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Posted: Thu, Sep 04 2008, 12:24 pm Post subject: re: when can you put a baby to sleep on its stomach? |
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| There was a study done is Europe that kids who sleep on their stomache have higher chance of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). But with all said and done my kids have hard time sleeping on their backs and since they have pretty good head control early on, I let them sleep on the stomache but check on them quite often. With my first one, I called number of friends and Rebbitzens to find out if I can do that. I was quite nervous and still am.
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Posted: Thu, Sep 04 2008, 12:39 pm Post subject: re: when can you put a baby to sleep on its stomach? |
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When dd was a newborn, I used to lay down and have her nurse on me tummy to tummy. That's the only way any of us slept at night. I'm not saying that I get the best sleep (I'm an extremely light sleeper), but technically she was on her stomach- but I was right there.
I always put her on her back when she was in the packnplay. But then she started turning over at 2 months. So then she always flipped her to stomach anyway...
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Posted: Thu, Sep 04 2008, 12:52 pm Post subject: re: when can you put a baby to sleep on its stomach? |
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| I put my babies on their stomach right away, I just can't get them to sleep well on their backs. Make sure the matrass is nice and firm, no teddies or pillows around the head. They definitely sleep better on their tummy.
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Shimi was a preemie with poor head control so I was afraid to let him sleep on his tummy. he slept on his side. When he began to roll over at six months he preferred to sleep on his tummy so it was safe. mendy is BH full term with great head control so he's been sleeping on his tummy since 2 weeks of age.
I wouldnt put a preemie on his tummy until he can roll over or has great head control. But during daytime naps when I was able to keep an eye on him I did let him sleep on the stomach. _________________ http://www.autism-parenting.com
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Does everyone know that rates of sids went down at least 50% after the Back to
Sleep program(I can't think of the right word right now grr)
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What about infant mortality? Perhaps they have better diagnostics than "sudden infant death we can't figure out what to attribute it to"?
Either way, once they roll over there is nothing you can do about it. My 5.5 week old sleeps on her stomach most of the time already. And she's rolling over from stomach to back (I hesitated to say this a couple weeks ago since I thought the times she did it were accidental, but I watched her do it twice on Sunday on firm ground...no accident). She picks up her head very high. I breastfeed, sleep with her, don't smoke, and have given up trying to worry about things I can't really help. Sleep is an important health and safety measure in and of itself, both for mommy and baby. _________________ http://a-natural-birth.com
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| Hashem_Yaazor wrote: | | What about infant mortality? Perhaps they have better diagnostics than "sudden infant death we can't figure out what to attribute it to"? |
I don't have a link, but my sister pointed me to a researcher on SIDS who says that YES, the "back to sleep" campaign coincided with a push for autopsy and testing to attribute every death possible to a cause and not just calling any infant death "SIDS". The most impressive statistic she had was that deaths on the whole have stayed the same, they have just "changed columns" from SIDS to other diagnosis. That being said, I'm still nervous about putting newborns on their tummies
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| I was completely paranoid about putting my kids to sleep on their stomach. both of them had reflux & could not sleep on their back at all. so they slept in the car seat, swing, on my chest, until I couldn't take it anymore & I called my ped. she told me to put them to sleep on their stomachs& either use a sleep sack or tuck the blanket in the mattress.
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| I've had the same problem and noticeably did not have it with my tummy sleepers. "Reflux" diagnoses have risen noticeably with the advent of the Back to Sleep campaign.
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| Aidelmom wrote: | Does everyone know that rates of sids went down at least 50% after the Back to
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| Quote: | Dr. Jim Sprott, OBE, a New Zealand scientist and chemist, states with certainty that crib death is caused by toxic gases, which can be generated from a baby's mattress. Chemical compounds containing phosphorus, arsenic and antimony have been added to mattresses as fire retardants and for other purposes since the early 1950's. A fungus that commonly grows in bedding can interact with these chemicals to create poisonous gases (Richardson 1994). These heavier-than-air gases are concentrated in a thin layer on the baby's mattress or are diffused away and dissipated into the surrounding atmosphere. If a baby breathes or absorbs a lethal dose of the gases, the central nervous system shuts down, stopping breathing and then heart function. These gases can fatally poison a baby, without waking the sleeping baby and without any struggle by the baby. A normal autopsy would not reveal any sign that the baby was poisoned (Sprott 1996).
In spite of denial and opposition from orthodox SIDS organizations, no research has disproved this gaseous poisoning explanation for crib death. No valid criticism of this explanation has ever been provided. This logical finding explains every factor already known about crib death, and is backed by scientific research (Sprott 1996, 2000) and 11 years of practical proof consisting of a crib death prevention campaign that continues in New Zealand.
Ongoing research continues to support these findings. A four and a half year study by the Scottish Cot Death Trust published in the British Medical Journal (November 2, 2002) has shown that the re-use of infant mattresses triples the risk of cot death (Tappin 2002). Dr. Sprott explains that the risk of death increases when mattresses are re-used from one baby to the next because the fungus has already had a chance to establish itself in the used mattress. When the next baby uses the same mattress, the fungus is soon active. Toxic gas production begins sooner and is generated in greater volume. It is known that crib death rates increase markedly from the first baby in a family to the second, and from the second to the third, and so on (Mitchell 2001). Dr. Sprott warns, however, that new mattresses can also be unsafe because fungal growth can quickly become established in a new mattress once a baby begins sleeping on it (Sprott 2003).
The fundamental solution is urgent action to eliminate all sources of phosphorus, arsenic and antimony from all mattresses. But this is not happening now, and is not likely to happen anytime soon, so exposure to these gases must be prevented. The intervening solution is to prevent babies from being exposed to the gases by wrapping mattresses in a gas-impermeable cover made from high-grade polyethylene and ensuring that bedding used on top of a wrapped mattress does not contain any phosphorus, arsenic or antimony.
A 100% successful crib death prevention campaign has been going on in New Zealand for the past 11 years. Midwives and other healthcare professionals throughout New Zealand have been actively advising parents to wrap mattresses. During this time, there has not been a single SIDS death reported among the over 100,000 New Zealand babies who have slept on mattresses wrapped in a specially formulated polyethylene cover. The number of crib deaths in New Zealand that have occurred since mattress-wrapping began in 1994 is about 810. The number of crib deaths that have occurred in New Zealand on a properly wrapped mattress is zero. |
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| I read an article that says the claim that there have been no sids deaths in wrapped mattresses is not true.
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Posted: Thu, Sep 04 2008, 5:45 pm Post subject: re: when can you put a baby to sleep on its stomach? |
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| I read that some babies are more predisposed towards SIDS. But you don't know if your baby has this pre-disposition- so to be on the safe side everyone should do "back to sleep."
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Posted: Thu, Sep 04 2008, 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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I know that. Babies that sleep on thier stomach sleep for a longer amount of time. If it's nap time and you can watch while the baby sleeps then you can put him to sleep on his stomach. Also once they reach a certain age where they can turn from back to belly and back you can start the tummy sleeping position if you want. Make sure there are no blankets or loose sheets in the crib. _________________ Sunday social program forming in Brooklyn for children with social delays. Pm me for more info
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