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Posted: Sun, Aug 31 2008, 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: re: Palin's baby?! |
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| mugsisme wrote: | | I am not saying it doesn't happen. But don't most of our girls get married closer to 20? I know some of the chassidim have girls that get married at 17. I am not saying it doesn't happen. But please show me a stastic or an article about a teenager with a baby with ds. |
Would an eye-witness suffice? I've seen it at the hospital where I work (very high teenage pregnancy rate). Are you saying you doubt it ever occurs???? halavai.
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Posted: Sun, Aug 31 2008, 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: re: Palin's baby?! |
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| micfri wrote: | | It's a wild story and I doubt it's true. Wouldn't the "vetting" process have found that out? |
That's part of the problem - it appears that there was almost no vetting process. That part is being widely reported by very mainstream sources. They didn't turn up the ethics investigation she was in the middle of either.
Here - from a AK blog
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Posted: Sun, Aug 31 2008, 11:05 pm Post subject: re: Palin's baby?! |
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I go on a blog for parents of kids with Down syndrome & I was surprised at how many teenage parents there are. Obviously it is not a lot, the majority being in their 20s & 30s. But when I read what some have to say, & how knowledgable they are I am amazed. So I can't give statistics, but I could list a few screen names (but I won't )
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Posted: Sun, Aug 31 2008, 11:15 pm Post subject: re: Palin's baby?! |
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I don't know about this one. The mono story is kind of coincidental. I also thought it was a bit odd that she went on a plane after her water had broken. However, regarding airline rules, I'm sure many of us know people that have traveled late in pregnancy. I certainly do. How would the airline even know her water had broken? (I think she was quoted as saying she was leaking).
I came across this picture where she does look pregnant:
Additionally, in the family picture that shows Bristol's belly, it's interesting that Bristol's belly is so obviously shown, while Sarah is kind of hidden behind her daughter and a loose vest. The picture looks more like Sarah is trying to hide than her daughter.
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/santafemarie/PalinFamilyMarch2008.jpg
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Posted: Sun, Aug 31 2008, 11:15 pm Post subject: re: Palin's baby?! |
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These rumors must be a ploy of the desparate Obama supporters...
imho
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Whetever the truth is, she either had a baby or is protecting her teenage daughter and both are not a bad thing. Period. I still dont hate her. _________________ Sunday social program forming in Brooklyn for children with social delays. Pm me for more info
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| flowerpower wrote: | | Whetever the truth is, she either had a baby or is protecting her teenage daughter and both are not a bad thing. Period. I still dont hate her. |  _________________
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Posted: Mon, Sep 01 2008, 12:55 am Post subject: re: Palin's baby?! |
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Just Obamaphiles hunting for something to smear her with.
In this picture she is in black and behind everyone, and both girls have tummies; you can see the one daughter better because she is in profile. Maybe a bit of tummy is normal for their girls.
What a load of bullfeathers.
http://tizona.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/sarah_palin_02.jpg
As for her daughter being really involved in the child's care; come on you mom's with older girls; a new baby is often fun, especially if your child hasn't been made to take care of the kids the whole of their life. Teens and young girls often like that, especially when it has been a few years.
As for mono; yes you can be out of school for 4mns (the time period she was out of school) due to mono. It can really lay a person out, and some kids are in and out of school with mono, perhaps her mom felt it better if she completely recovered before going back to school(especially knowing the weather and the chance that a classroom of kids with minor illnesses may cause a relapse or a longer illness with another virus, as she would be more vulnerable).
Why return to Alaska to have a baby? Her doctors whom she was in touch with. You can go 24 hours after the water breaks without worry. And if there were a real need THE PLANE COULD LAND you know, it wasn't as if she were traveling across the ocean. Emergency landings are done, and it could be the pilot just kept radioing ahead just in case. We don't know. Moreover how does it get to be 12 hours as she was going from Texas to Alaska, and from the USA to Israel it is at most 12 hrs.
As for the investigation, it goes back to getting rid of a brutal man who used his taser on a ten year old, and the unwillingness of his supervisor to fire the guy. HE SHOULD HAVE FIRED HIM!
He was related to Palin and getting a divorce from Palin's sister, this is true, but he was still a brutal man and drinking on the job. I would say he isn't fit for duty and that neither is any supervisor who would condone that behavior.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=atTPk3ULEWeQ&refer=home
and it is so funny to hear feminists going "he picked a woman because he is sexist!"
He has more women (and they are paid better) than Obama.
Palin is a fighter, she is a mom, and you know what they say about mama bears; not cuddly when they are defending their young. _________________ But then again, I'm a dragon.
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Posted: Mon, Sep 01 2008, 1:01 am Post subject: re: Palin's baby?! |
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unbelievable
I can't believe some of u!!
1. I couldnt' find a REPUTABLE NEWS SOURCE that confirmed what's on this thread.
what's scary is I bet this is how some of u got your info about obama
BLOGS???
I ask u
if the story is true,some of u have excused her,(I have no clue why)but call obama all kinds of horrible names,w/no real sources,liar,cheat etc etc
honestly
this does belong in the national enquirer.
btw
the people who have these blogs aren't obama people,I guess one more thing to pin on him..poor guy,can't catch a break on this thread.
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Posted: Mon, Sep 01 2008, 1:06 am Post subject: re: Palin's baby?! |
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If this was all a ruse, wouldn't she have gone to greater lengths to fake a pregnancy (and conceal her daughter's tummy in their family photo)? The only way you would have the nerve to claim you are pregnant when you don't look it is if you actually are pregnant. And as a new governor it was in her best interest to try and minimize her pregnant look rather than baring her belly in those "look at me I'm pregnant" shirts that are so popular.
And as a woman who did not look pregnant AT ALL during my third pregnancy I don't find it so hard to believe.* Neither do I find it hard to believe she flew, I have always been told that once your water breaks you must deliver within 24 hours or risk infection, but you don't have to deliver immediately. I could understand that if she knew she was having a baby with DS she would have wanted to be where she had an infrastructure in place rather than in the middle of nowhere. Especially if she planned to resume her duties so soon after birth. She seems like somewhat of a superwoman (for better or worse) so while these stories sound a bit far out, there are people like that in the world. People like her.
Could she have faked this whole thing? Possibly. But it's just as likely that she didn't. I hope they clear the air and move on from this silliness.
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Posted: Mon, Sep 01 2008, 1:11 am Post subject: Re: re: Palin's baby?! |
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| Akeres Habayis wrote: | unbelievable
I can't believe some of u!!
1. I couldnt' find a REPUTABLE NEWS SOURCE that confirmed what's on this thread.
what's scary is I bet this is how some of u got your info about obama
BLOGS???
I ask u
if the story is true,some of u have excused her,(I have no clue why)but call obama all kinds of horrible names,w/no real sources,liar,cheat etc etc
honestly
this does belong in the national enquirer.
btw
the people who have these blogs aren't obama people,I guess one more thing to pin on him..poor guy,can't catch a break on this thread. |
I didn't develop a dislike of Obama from blogs, it was from his voting record and what he stands for as well as various other reports into his actions, and clips of his actual statements.
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| I stand by either she is lying (unlikely) or INCREDIBLY irresponsible. The poster who said, "they can just land the plane". You can't be serious. A woman with her fifth pregnancy and rupture membranes gets on a plane and flies for HOURS. And you can't "just land a plane"! It wasn't like she was life-flighted to a tertiary care center. She went by commercial jet with no medical staff in attendance not knowing when active labor would kick in to get to a small rural hospital. It actually sounds less crazy to me to fake a pregnancy!
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Posted: Mon, Sep 01 2008, 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| The Atlantic Monthly is running the story on their weblog (reliable media source and all). See here ( you have to scroll down to the middle of the page but many of the other posts are dealing with this too)
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Posted: Mon, Sep 01 2008, 1:17 am Post subject: re: Palin's baby?! |
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It's still a blog, one man's opinion.
I'm still waiting for the mainstream news outlets to pick it up.
| Quote: | | I stand by either she is lying (unlikely) or INCREDIBLY irresponsible |
Perhaps her doctor is the irresponsible one as she seems to have ok'd it.
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Posted: Mon, Sep 01 2008, 1:20 am Post subject: re: Palin's baby?! |
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They can land a plane in an emergency and she is unlikely to have been on the plane for 12 hours as someone else said. She was flying over the USA, not a dinky little country. This was her fifth; my fifth took many hours to deliver: it was like having my first again in some ways. And my waters had broken and even though my waters had never broken before the baby was almost imminent (and most of the time they had to break the waters) midwife asked me "well how is your labor progressing, do you think you need to come in?" But I thought as my water's have never broken before early in labor I must be pretty near delivery.
I wasn't. I was only 2centimeters dilated. Talk about a low blow.
No one here knows if she had herself examined prior, what the discussion was between her and her physicians or anything else. And she is not obligated to tell you.
She may labor for hours.
It is best to deliver with the doctors who know you and I can well understand her wanting to return home to the doctors she had established a rapport with, especially those who would take care of her baby.
Wow, Obama supporters are quite desperate.
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Posted: Mon, Sep 01 2008, 1:23 am Post subject: Re: re: Palin's baby?! |
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| cassandra wrote: |
Perhaps her doctor is the irresponsible one as she seems to have ok'd it. |
Actually, the doctor said she did not tell her to fly. Probably a CYA thing, but fwiw.... that is just CRAZY. And she says she knew from 13 weeks she was having a DS baby? Premie baby with Down Syndrome that you fly out to rural AK to give birth? POOR decision making on everyone's part here.
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Posted: Mon, Sep 01 2008, 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| btw unvetted my foot. She's been in the running for VP since before Cantor.
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HindaRochel - Obama aside, as someone who works L&D with many years experience, I can tell you NO ONE would OK such a scenario, unless they were looking for a lawsuit. She took an incredible risk there and I'm pretty shocked that anyone would think not.
BTW - I remember from a case like this years ago where a woman concealed her pregnancy to board a plane and delivered, necessitating an emergency landing - they charged the family for the added expense. It really is not simple.
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| chavamom wrote: | HindaRochel - Obama aside, as someone who works L&D with many years experience, I can tell you NO ONE would OK such a scenario, unless they were looking for a lawsuit. She took an incredible risk there and I'm pretty shocked that anyone would think not.
BTW - I remember from a case like this years ago where a woman concealed her pregnancy to board a plane and delivered, necessitating an emergency landing - they charged the family for the added expense. It really is not simple. |
She didn't conceal her pregnancy or reveal it, she neither concealed or revealed her condition, and she spoke with her doctors before giving her speech and returning to Alaska.
She had to be induced, this was her fifth and she wasn't in heavy labor.
Get a grip.
She listened to her doctors. Suddenly you know more than they do? If anyone would have been guilty it would have been the doctors; but obviously they knew better than you as everything went fine.
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Posted: Mon, Sep 01 2008, 1:43 am Post subject: re: Palin's baby?! |
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btw, this is from a comment on an article about her birth:
| Quote: | A lot of people appear to be missing the point that she was not in labor. She had a slight leak, and knew what labor feels like after having 4 kids and she clearly states she was not in labor. Not only did she make it safely back to Alaska, she passed up three other hospitals in Anchorage so she could deliver comfortably in her home hospital located in the Mat-Su Valley. It was there that the governor was then induced, because she still was not in active labor.
In Alaska a very large portion of the population does not have a hospital, or even a clinic, in their hometowns or villages. Not only that many are not even connected to any city by a road system, be it paved road or the Alaska Marine Highway. This leaves a lot of women needing to hop a plane while in labor. So she would not have been, by far, the first Alaskan woman to hop a plane while in labor, had she even been in labor to begin with. It does solidify our choices, at least by a lot of the women here, that we voted the right person into office. It takes a tough person to head this huge state and all of it's issues. Palin must have what it takes considering she has managed to keep on top of all of this state's needs, give a speech, then fly home to give birth to her very special son. |
SO:
She wasn't in active labor, she was induced, and many Alaskans fly to the hospital to give birth.
Palin's Birth Annoucement
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