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Posted: Thu, May 10 2007, 7:06 am Post subject: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2007, 7:21 am Post subject: re: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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Yes, it's true.
If people are spending their lives in front of various screens, watching violence and death, is it any wonder that even the rachmanus of a Jewish neshomo can be dulled??
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2007, 7:23 am Post subject: re: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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This incident was just too appalling for words. And I found it very difficult to believe, because I have lived in three countries in my life, and I have never seen the kind of caring and helpfulness in other places like I see in Eretz Yisroel! People are so eager to help me with my baby carriage and I see a lot of concern for strangers.
How could this happen? Maybe people in some places (like Yirushalaim) are more ready to help than in other places. I think his daughter was very generous to say it was shock rather than blame the people. I would have been outraged!
I think the lack of concern the government shows for its own citizens (I.e. disengagement from Gaza) has desensitized people. Or maybe not. Ain Milim!!
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The only thing I can come up with in the defense of those who drove on (and maybe some called for an ambulance?) was that they didn't think they could stop without causing further injury, so slowing down and going aroudn the man was the only thing they could do. Depending on how fast traffic was and how close the cars were to each other, stopping short could have caused greater problems. _________________ But then again, I'm a dragon.
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2007, 7:41 am Post subject: re: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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According to a Haaretz news report, the Israeli police would like to question the people who just passed by the man who was lying on the road - bleeding to death - without stopping to help him. One man told police “It was obvious the man was dead anyway, so there was no point in attending to him”.
Police are more troubled with the question as to why many cars just swerved to avoid the man, and not really concerned with why they did not stop to administer first aid. It’s possible that many are not trained in first aid, but the normal instinct of a human is to stop and “try” and help.
“They kept driving, as though the man were road kill,” a police officer told Haaretz. _________________
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Too bad the guy wasn't a cute, cuddly puppy...
Jerusalem Post website: Dozens of Jerusalemites gathered on Tuesday afternoon to help a puppy that had fallen off a second-floor balcony on Jaffa Rd. Pedestrians stopped in the 32-degree heat to pick the puppy up and take him into a nearby clothing store to protect him from the heat. The puppy survived the fall and was retrieved by his owner.
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| HindaRochel wrote: | | The only thing I can come up with in the defense of those who drove on (and maybe some called for an ambulance?) was that they didn't think they could stop without causing further injury, so slowing down and going aroudn the man was the only thing they could do. Depending on how fast traffic was and how close the cars were to each other, stopping short could have caused greater problems. |
Yes, if someone stopped they probably would have been rear-ended. Perhaps the people slowing down were trying to see if there was a way they could stop safely. Traffic can really be crazy here. Sometimes it is impossible just to cross the street.
But this is so tough! I mean usually we are supposed to try to find the merit in every Jew. But then when I talk about the traffic etc... I feel like I'm trying to excuse something heinous. What to do ???
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2007, 11:03 am Post subject: re: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2007, 11:13 am Post subject: re: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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| horrific.....truly horrific...and so sad. HE was right at the intersection. There shouldn't have been that much trouble in stopping at the very least on the other side of the intersection....
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2007, 11:17 am Post subject: re: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2007, 11:18 am Post subject: re: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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I didn't see the video till now. I originally had the impression that it was on a busy highway. But with traffic lights, well they could have signalled a stop...especially at an intersection.....
How horrific for the family. I pray they don't see the video. Imagine those images going through your brain all the time?
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Posted: Thu, May 17 2007, 9:43 pm Post subject: re: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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Posted: Fri, May 18 2007, 12:54 am Post subject: re: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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| This kind of reminds me of the Kitty Genovese story; anyone remember that? Heartless NYers and all that; only the story as reported wasn't true. Many people were unaware of what was happening outside their window, not heartlessly indifferent to a woman's pleas for help.
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Posted: Sat, May 19 2007, 3:35 pm Post subject: re: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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| Yes, but that doesn't explain why no one stopped to make sure the body would remain intact...
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Posted: Sat, May 19 2007, 3:44 pm Post subject: re: Can this be true? Israeli society becoming uncaring. |
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minivan, this is the explanation to your question...long article, easy to miss:
| Quote: | | The driver of the cement mixing vehicle stopped on the spot, got out of the vehicle, directed traffic and apparently called the police or the Magen David ambulance service, just as he should have | .
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