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Public Service Announcement,
PLEASE ask your OWN RAV what to do and what the Halachot are. I read some posts then went to a shiur in my community and was told very different information than what I read here. Obviously we do not hold by the same Hashkafa so please ask your own LOR.
Have an Easy Fast!!
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 9:22 am Post subject: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| I'm shocked. You're serious??
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 9:27 am Post subject: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| No one should be learning any halacha from imamother or any other anonymous web site.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 9:33 am Post subject: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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Give me one example where an imamother gave an acutal psak?
You're being dramatic here.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 10:04 am Post subject: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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Posts like this
"Besides for asking LOR: Has anyone had an easier time getting a hetter not to fast on Tisha Baav while nursing/pregnant because it is being pushed off a day? I am not the worst faster but I have never fasted nursing and am scared. I kind of want to guage what most people do and the lieniencies involved when it is bumped till Sunday."
or like this
"I was told for the kalei tzom I can crush it into a food before shabbos and eat it like that. "
and there are many other posts where people are asking what psak most people got.
I don't think there is anything wrong with discussions but halacha limaysa should only be learnt from a rav or someone you know and trust has reliable sources.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 10:16 am Post subject: Re: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| chani8 wrote: | Give me one example where an imamother gave an acutal psak?
You're being dramatic here. | Didn't you in the halachos of erev tisha b'av on shabbos thread? Paskening how to take aids for fasting on shabbos, if they're considered medicine or not, etc?
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 10:31 am Post subject: Re: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| Hashem_Yaazor wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | Give me one example where an imamother gave an acutal psak?
You're being dramatic here. | Didn't you in the halachos of erev tisha b'av on shabbos thread? Paskening how to take aids for fasting on shabbos, if they're considered medicine or not, etc? |
How is that a psak? I told what I know and think.
I am no rav and never presented myself as such. In fact, I even sent them to Hilchos Shobbos to look it up themselves.
I think you all are getting uptight about advice, suggestions, sharing information, calling it giving a psak, just because it has to do with halacha. Is it a psak to tell someone to divorce? Why aren't you all freaking out on those kinds of psaks. If we worry about people giving and taking psaks, we'd have to shut imamother down.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 10:43 am Post subject: Re: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| notshanarishona wrote: | Posts like this
"Besides for asking LOR: Has anyone had an easier time getting a hetter not to fast on Tisha Baav while nursing/pregnant because it is being pushed off a day? I am not the worst faster but I have never fasted nursing and am scared. I kind of want to guage what most people do and the lieniencies involved when it is bumped till Sunday."
or like this
"I was told for the kalei tzom I can crush it into a food before shabbos and eat it like that. "
and there are many other posts where people are asking what psak most people got.
I don't think there is anything wrong with discussions but halacha limaysa should only be learnt from a rav or someone you know and trust has reliable sources. |
You think that is not ok?? That is perfectly acceptable and even great imo for people to swap psaks and even better if they can explain whys. It sure will push people to start thinking and seeking clarity and realizing the diversity of halacha.
But you are worried because you think they are wrong and are pushing lenient halachos.
I think it can change lives to know that one can find a lenient (more lenient than their rav's) psak on an issue that they thought was so clearly black and white. For these two women, it might save their day of Tisha B'av to know this info. If not for sharing/networking, some wouldn't even know such a psak exists. Armed with this new info, they can either approach their rav, or hold by a different rav. It's not so hard to find out who holds which way, and often imamothers can source their psaks.
Maybe you (the general you) arent givinge imamothers credit for yiras shamayim. And anyone who is going to hold by imamother is holding at a point that is far from what you hold, anyway, and you don't have to worry about their souls, because not only would they not want you to, you should understand that they are simply comfortable with doing their own thing.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 10:51 am Post subject: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| I don't have any hashkafic problem with people doing research and then going back to their rav or even theoretical discussions about halacha . I don't think psak shopping I.e. looking for a rav who will matir not fasting , is halachically allowed. A person is supposed to have one rav.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 11:00 am Post subject: Re: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| Hashem_Yaazor wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | Give me one example where an imamother gave an acutal psak?
You're being dramatic here. | Didn't you in the halachos of erev tisha b'av on shabbos thread? Paskening how to take aids for fasting on shabbos, if they're considered medicine or not, etc? |
 
While I answered this comment already, I want to let you know that I did get a big kick out of you 'catching me' because as I was writing the other post, I was chuckling to myself that surely someone was going to suggest that I, of all people (always sharing psaks!) was being hypocritical. LOL
Really, though, whoever holds by imarabba chani8 is more like me, than you (and that says something - no insult intended to anyone, LOL), and so there really is nothing to worry about. I'll burn if they follow my mistakes, and what do you care what I say or do, or anyone else like me?. No charedi is going to hold by imamother, they'll go ask their LOR.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 11:02 am Post subject: Re: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| notshanarishona wrote: | | I don't have any hashkafic problem with people doing research and then going back to their rav or even theoretical discussions about halacha . I don't think psak shopping I.e. looking for a rav who will matir not fasting , is halachically allowed. A person is supposed to have one rav. |
Nowhere does it say, make for yourself one rav and one rav only and never leave him.
Just fyi, it's a charedi thing to be so loyal to one rav.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 11:06 am Post subject: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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I was just pointing out that OP had a good point.
Anyone who says halacha here (even if they think they're just expressing an opinion) is possibly causing someone else to think it's the only way to follow...
Saying "I hold that...." or "My rav mentioned .... ask your rav" is doing everyone else a service that posts like "Why do that? You only need to...." aren't.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 11:14 am Post subject: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| Chani8, it is not a chareidi thing at all. People from different parts of the world actually do have different halachic backgrounds. Just because I am allowed to do laundry all week, doesn't make it an acceptable psak for ashkenazim. Etc. Lots of psakim are really only relevant for certain groups of people. And lots of psakim are in fact bidieved heterim that are perfectly ok under certain circumstances but are not valid at all in general.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 11:15 am Post subject: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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Did you see the thread on getting a no fast for nursing psak? LOL
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 11:18 am Post subject: Re: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| MaBelleVie wrote: | | Chani8, it is not a chareidi thing at all. People from different parts of the world actually do have different halachic backgrounds. Just because I am allowed to do laundry all week, doesn't make it an acceptable psak for ashkenazim. Etc. Lots of psakim are really only relevant for certain groups of people. And lots of psakim are in fact bidieved heterim that are perfectly ok under certain circumstances but are not valid at all in general. |
According to this way of thinking, a Satmar chossid could not ask a yeshivish Rav a psak...That is simply not true.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 11:21 am Post subject: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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And followers of my kind of thinking, would accept any Orthodox psak. There are many of us out there. We're also frum.
We hold sefardi all the time, and many MO do so.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 11:34 am Post subject: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| It says in Pirkei Avot “Aseh lecha rav".
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 11:35 am Post subject: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| It says in Pirkei Avot “Aseh lecha rav".
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 11:46 am Post subject: Re: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| notshanarishona wrote: | | It says in Pirkei Avot “Aseh lecha rav". |
I was referring to that...it doesnt state anywhere that you cannot rav hop. In fact, Rav Shturbuch of aides charedi suggests to do just that, if you feel you've been misled.
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 26 2012, 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: re: PSA Halacha erev Tisha Baav |
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| chani8 wrote: |
We hold sefardi all the time, and many MO do so. | Is this true?
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