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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 12:47 pm    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
I actually often use print (block) letters for things like mitzvah notes, since my kids get a kick out of identifying their names and letters.
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 12:53 pm    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
It's kadosh. You want a Jewish kid to not know how to form the letters of the Torah?
DH couldn't have written a sefer Torah if he didn't know how to write print Hebrew!
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 1:24 pm    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
Don't know about Israel, but here in NY most schools actually do not devote much time at all to print handwriting. They do have the kids form print letters until they learn script in first grade or so, and this is very helpful in reinforcing the letter shapes so they will be able to learn reading more easily. But it's not stressed very hard, they don't teach penmanship in print.
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 1:38 pm    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
My son learned to read print letters in kindergarten (4-5), write script in pre-1a (5-6). There was no teaching of writing print letters.

They just reviewed writing script letters now at the end of 1st because they barely wrote at all this past year and many boys forgot some letters.
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
gryp wrote:
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gryp: my son (in mechina) learned to write print this year

What age is mechina?


5-6.
he'll be going into kitta aleph next year
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 3:04 pm    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
The torah and sifrei kodesh are written in these letters. They are beautiful and a form of art in themselves. I don't see it as a waste. Half of the things kids are taught in school are not relevant to many kids later in life, but that's not a reason not to teach it. And anyway, once the kids are being taught to read it, how difficult is it to teach how to write it?
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 7:46 am    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
None of my kids learned to print hebrew block letters. If any one did it, they did it for fun. The year after they learned to read they learned hebrew script, By the end of first grade they were already reading and writing script letters. By the end of second grade, hey were already fluently reading rashi script. Who doesn't know script hebrewby third grade?
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 7:59 am    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
All my kids learned print in kindergarten and grade one.
I think it's a good way of doing things, it forms a solid base when they are learning the same way of writing as reading. Why confuse them with another format, right at the very beginning?
Besides, Hebrew print is such a major part of our history and culture, I can't imagine why anyone would want to cut it out of the curriculum. Shouldn't our kids be totally fluent in writing their own tongue?
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 9:42 am    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
My kids learned it when they were first learning. (Pre-k through first part of first grade.) It makes sense because all the materials they are learning from--books, posters, whatever, use the block letters. Writing letters that look the same as what they are learning makes it a single skill.

Then, when they KNOW the letters, don't have to think that a beis makes a "b" sound, they switch to script (first half of first grade). Trying to combine the two skills would make learning much more difficult for those letters that look nothing alike in print and script.

Kids who go to an afternoon school after attending public school, in my experience, never learn script.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
Hashem_Yaazor wrote:
My son learned to read print letters in kindergarten (4-5), write script in pre-1a (5-6). There was no teaching of writing print letters.

They just reviewed writing script letters now at the end of 1st because they barely wrote at all this past year and many boys forgot some letters.

For clarity, the boys are completely done with knowing their alef bais at kindergarten. There is no confusion between the print and script letters when they start doing script the next year.

Many kids figure out how to write it on their own. I learned ksiva for print letters as a kid and I have no recollection how to write them properly -- when you don't use it, you forget it, and it's kind of pointless. You have to relearn it for safrus anyway, so that's not a valid point in my mind.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 10:05 am    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
I only can write "big letters". For some reason I find script very difficult, also to read.
DD knows both but is much better at big letters.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
Isramom8 wrote:
It's kadosh. You want a Jewish kid to not know how to form the letters of the Torah?
DH couldn't have written a sefer Torah if he didn't know how to write print Hebrew!


Um. I can write print Hebrew even though I never learned it. It's not all that hard to pick it up.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 10:40 am    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
And I don't know any school in America that teaches print. It must be an Israeli meshugas.

My son, not in America, learned script in 1st grade, not print.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 10:42 am    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
I'm in America. My son did not learn to write print hebrew. He picked it up from reading it, but the rebbe spent no time teaching it.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 10:45 am    Post subject: Re: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
sarahd wrote:
Isramom8 wrote:
It's kadosh. You want a Jewish kid to not know how to form the letters of the Torah?
DH couldn't have written a sefer Torah if he didn't know how to write print Hebrew!


Um. I can write print Hebrew even though I never learned it. It's not all that hard to pick it up.

I was going to say the same thing.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 10:49 am    Post subject: Re: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
eschaya wrote:
The torah and sifrei kodesh are written in these letters. They are beautiful and a form of art in themselves. I don't see it as a waste. Half of the things kids are taught in school are not relevant to many kids later in life, but that's not a reason not to teach it. And anyway, once the kids are being taught to read it, how difficult is it to teach how to write it?

If the class was focused on the meaning behind each letter, I would see that as time well spent. Just focusing on the shapes of the letters? I don't know anyone who can't print the Alef Beis.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
ElTam wrote:
Kids who go to an afternoon school after attending public school, in my experience, never learn script.


In my experience (in the 1970's), we did. We learned print first, then script after we learned all the letters, IIRC.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 4:32 pm    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
it's not taught in the US. Maybe Israel is diffferent as that is the writing of the country, but in the US, print Hebrew is only taught in art class.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 6:37 pm    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
According to my daughter (entering 8th grade), she did learn Hebrew printing in first grade. This is in a MO school in the US.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 7:05 pm    Post subject: re: why waste time teaching kids to write print Hebrew?
 
Isn't it a shaylah to print more than a few words ? Doesn't it take on the status of a Sefer Torah or something ?
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