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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 2:24 am Post subject: re: Weberman update |
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he probably does have semicha, after all - most frum guys do. 
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 3:55 am Post subject: Re: Weberman update |
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| eatingbagels wrote: | | So Weberman's defense is that the victim was trying to take revenge on him because he encouraged her father to create child p0rnography with her as the subject? Is this really a wise defense tactic? |
Recording a s-x act in order to charge someone with statutory rape isn't exactly creating pornography. At least not morally. If her father was trying to prevent her from being exploited, that's the opposite of pornography.
I don't know how effective it would be as a defense tactic. Especially since it sounds like he was doing it after his alleged attacks on her.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 4:54 am Post subject: Re: re: Weberman update |
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| StrongIma wrote: | | he probably does have semicha, after all - most frum guys do. |
Really? Most frum guys I know do not have semicha.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Weberman update |
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| ora_43 wrote: | | eatingbagels wrote: | | So Weberman's defense is that the victim was trying to take revenge on him because he encouraged her father to create child p0rnography with her as the subject? Is this really a wise defense tactic? |
Recording a s-x act in order to charge someone with statutory rape isn't exactly creating pornography. At least not morally. If her father was trying to prevent her from being exploited, that's the opposite of pornography.
I don't know how effective it would be as a defense tactic. Especially since it sounds like he was doing it after his alleged attacks on her. |
Ora, I think you misunderstood. The article is written really unclearly. The father videotaped his daughter having relations with her boyfriend. And this was encouraged by Weberman.
Though I still wouldn't call it child pornography. She was 17.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 9:52 am Post subject: re: Weberman update |
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Right, Weberman encouraged a father to record his daughter having relations in order to try to get her boyfriend arrested for statutory rape.
If I understood this correctly, it happened in 2010 (that's when they went to the prosecutor).
She is now 17. She would have been 15 then.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 10:29 am Post subject: re: Weberman update |
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Was the boyfriend in the tape Jewish?
Where was the concern for *mesira* then?
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 10:56 am Post subject: Re: re: Weberman update |
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| sarahd wrote: | | StrongIma wrote: | | he probably does have semicha, after all - most frum guys do. |
Really? Most frum guys I know do not have semicha. |
this.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 11:02 am Post subject: Re: re: Weberman update |
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| Hashem_Yaazor wrote: | Right, Weberman encouraged a father to record his daughter having relations in order to try to get her boyfriend arrested for statutory rape.
If I understood this correctly, it happened in 2010 (that's when they went to the prosecutor).
She is now 17. She would have been 15 then. |
That's a very poor defense on Weberman's part. Basically, he is saying "I have no response to the charges."
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: re: Weberman update |
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| Ruchel wrote: | | sarahd wrote: | | StrongIma wrote: | | he probably does have semicha, after all - most frum guys do. |
Really? Most frum guys I know do not have semicha. |
this. |
Sarcasm! In Lakewood, at least, all mail is addressed to "Rabbi & Mrs." Drives me crazy.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: re: Weberman update |
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| mommyla wrote: | | Ruchel wrote: | | sarahd wrote: | | StrongIma wrote: | | he probably does have semicha, after all - most frum guys do. |
Really? Most frum guys I know do not have semicha. |
this. |
Sarcasm! In Lakewood, at least, all mail is addressed to "Rabbi & Mrs." Drives me crazy. |
I know! for once I'd like to see a letter addressed to "Mr. and Rabbi." some lakewood women know how to learn too, ya know!
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Weberman update |
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| ora_43 wrote: | | eatingbagels wrote: | | So Weberman's defense is that the victim was trying to take revenge on him because he encouraged her father to create child p0rnography with her as the subject? Is this really a wise defense tactic? |
Recording a s-x act in order to charge someone with statutory rape isn't exactly creating pornography. At least not morally. If her father was trying to prevent her from being exploited, that's the opposite of pornography.
I don't know how effective it would be as a defense tactic. Especially since it sounds like he was doing it after his alleged attacks on her. |
um, okay. how would recording her help her from being exploited? and do you think a father who would willingly present the public (because you know if it is handed over to court it will make itself public) a video of his daughter in a compromising situation, is trying to prevent her from being exploited?
and as far as the defense, I thought weberman had some good valid proof of his innocence. but his defense is to try to prove how promiscuous his victim is?!? isn't that one of the trademark things abusers use as a deflector of their actions? "don't focus on how perverted I am, look at how promiscuous she is!"
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 2:22 pm Post subject: re: Weberman update |
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In another thread I mentioned she was having sxx with her older boyfriend and everyone jumped down my throat. Apologies, anyone?
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: re: Weberman update |
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| mommyla wrote: | | Ruchel wrote: | | sarahd wrote: | | StrongIma wrote: | | he probably does have semicha, after all - most frum guys do. |
Really? Most frum guys I know do not have semicha. |
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Sarcasm! In Lakewood, at least, all mail is addressed to "Rabbi & Mrs." Drives me crazy. |
I know rabbis who want to be called Mr or moreh, out of modesty.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Weberman update |
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| black sheep wrote: | | ora_43 wrote: | | eatingbagels wrote: | | So Weberman's defense is that the victim was trying to take revenge on him because he encouraged her father to create child p0rnography with her as the subject? Is this really a wise defense tactic? |
Recording a s-x act in order to charge someone with statutory rape isn't exactly creating pornography. At least not morally. If her father was trying to prevent her from being exploited, that's the opposite of pornography.
I don't know how effective it would be as a defense tactic. Especially since it sounds like he was doing it after his alleged attacks on her. |
um, okay. how would recording her help her from being exploited? and do you think a father who would willingly present the public (because you know if it is handed over to court it will make itself public) a video of his daughter in a compromising situation, is trying to prevent her from being exploited?
and as far as the defense, I thought weberman had some good valid proof of his innocence. but his defense is to try to prove how promiscuous his victim is?!? isn't that one of the trademark things abusers use as a deflector of their actions? "don't focus on how perverted I am, look at how promiscuous she is!" |
hes trying to prove that shes making this up in order to take revenge on him for convincing her father to do the recording
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Weberman update |
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| Zehava wrote: | | black sheep wrote: | | ora_43 wrote: | | eatingbagels wrote: | | So Weberman's defense is that the victim was trying to take revenge on him because he encouraged her father to create child p0rnography with her as the subject? Is this really a wise defense tactic? |
Recording a s-x act in order to charge someone with statutory rape isn't exactly creating pornography. At least not morally. If her father was trying to prevent her from being exploited, that's the opposite of pornography.
I don't know how effective it would be as a defense tactic. Especially since it sounds like he Ooowas doing it after his alleged attacks on her. |
um, okay. how would recording her help her from being exploited? and do you think a father who would willingly present the public (because you know if it is handed over to court it will make itself public) a video of his daughter in a compromising situation, is trying to prevent her from being exploited?
and as far as the defense, I thought weberman had some good valid proof of his innocence. but his defense is to try to prove how promiscuous his victim is?!? isn't that one of the trademark things abusers use as a deflector of their actions? "don't focus on how perverted I am, look at how promiscuous she is!" |
hes trying to prove that shes making this up in order to take revenge on him for convincing her father to do the recording |
It is a motive which could cause reasonable doubt.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: re: Weberman update |
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| eatingbagels wrote: | | EmesOrNT wrote: | | In another thread I mentioned she was having sxx with her older boyfriend and everyone jumped down my throat. Apologies, anyone? |
I don't remember jumping down your throat but I hope I did.
WHAT THE FLIP DOES IT MATTER IF SHE WAS HAVING S∈x with an older boyfriend? She is accusing a man who was in a position of power of s∈xually abusing her. If she was actually doing that, I would argue that it's actually not uncommon for s∈x abuse victims to act out s∈xually. |
I mentioned it as a sidebar, wondering why the boyfriend wasn't being brought up on statutory rape charges. It has nothing to do with Weberman at ALL. I don't think one impacts the other either way. I was jumped on for assuming she was having sxx in the first place, although it wasn't an assumption, just not reported widely in the media. That's all.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Weberman update |
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| eatingbagels wrote: | | black sheep wrote: | | ora_43 wrote: | | eatingbagels wrote: | | So Weberman's defense is that the victim was trying to take revenge on him because he encouraged her father to create child p0rnography with her as the subject? Is this really a wise defense tactic? |
Recording a s-x act in order to charge someone with statutory rape isn't exactly creating pornography. At least not morally. If her father was trying to prevent her from being exploited, that's the opposite of pornography.
I don't know how effective it would be as a defense tactic. Especially since it sounds like he was doing it after his alleged attacks on her. |
um, okay. how would recording her help her from being exploited? and do you think a father who would willingly present the public (because you know if it is handed over to court it will make itself public) a video of his daughter in a compromising situation, is trying to prevent her from being exploited?
and as far as the defense, I thought weberman had some good valid proof of his innocence. but his defense is to try to prove how promiscuous his victim is?!? isn't that one of the trademark things abusers use as a deflector of their actions? "don't focus on how perverted I am, look at how promiscuous she is!" |  Blame the victim.
To those who say it speaks to her motive, to me it speaks more to a very perverted person who would tell the parent of a child to videotape his child have s∈x. I wonder how many times he watched the tape before they gave it to the prosecution. |
Despite how despicable the film and the making of the film is, it casts reasonable doubt.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Weberman update |
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| black sheep wrote: | | but his defense is to try to prove how promiscuous his victim is?!? isn't that one of the trademark things abusers use as a deflector of their actions? "don't focus on how perverted I am, look at how promiscuous she is!" |
Blame the victim is a time-honored tactic.
It is not uncommon for victims of molestation to become promiscuous. Not because they had a promiscuous personality to begin with, but because of what the molestation did to their head.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2012, 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Weberman update |
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| Squishy wrote: | | eatingbagels wrote: | | black sheep wrote: | | ora_43 wrote: | | eatingbagels wrote: | | So Weberman's defense is that the victim was trying to take revenge on him because he encouraged her father to create child p0rnography with her as the subject? Is this really a wise defense tactic? |
Recording a s-x act in order to charge someone with statutory rape isn't exactly creating pornography. At least not morally. If her father was trying to prevent her from being exploited, that's the opposite of pornography.
I don't know how effective it would be as a defense tactic. Especially since it sounds like he was doing it after his alleged attacks on her. |
um, okay. how would recording her help her from being exploited? and do you think a father who would willingly present the public (because you know if it is handed over to court it will make itself public) a video of his daughter in a compromising situation, is trying to prevent her from being exploited?
and as far as the defense, I thought weberman had some good valid proof of his innocence. but his defense is to try to prove how promiscuous his victim is?!? isn't that one of the trademark things abusers use as a deflector of their actions? "don't focus on how perverted I am, look at how promiscuous she is!" | Blame the victim.
To those who say it speaks to her motive, to me it speaks more to a very perverted person who would tell the parent of a child to videotape his child have s∈x. I wonder how many times he watched the tape before they gave it to the prosecution. |
Despite how despicable the film and the making of the film is, it casts reasonable doubt. |
That is the single most disgusting thing I have ever heard in my years here.
Because a young woman chooses to have relations with her boyfriend, (if indeed she did, and this is not just another sick rumor), she must be giving it out to everyone, or she must be lying about being raped by another man.
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO A WOMAN SLEEPS WITH, WHAT SHE WEARS, OR WHERE SHE GOES. NO MEANS NO. PERIOD. FULL STOP. NOTHING MORE TO DISCUSS.
In any case, even if this story were true, the only thing it proves is that this so-called therapist is a very dangerous man. Who on earth would recommend that a father make a relations tape starring his own daughter. Was the father supposed to watch the tape? Or maybe Weberman wanted to watch it himself. What possible purpose would such a tape serve? Its not going to convince the girl not to have relations. Its only going to convince her that her father is a pervert.
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