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| RachelEve14 wrote: | | A quick google shows there are au pair jobs listed for in EY, so there must be a way to hire them. Maybe look into an aupair situation? |
thanx racheleve, I am not so familiar with the term aupair, but from what I know about it, an au pair doesnt do cleaning, - isnt it like - they get free room and board while they go to school, in exchange for being like a 'mothers helper'? I think I need someone who is more hands-on, full-time than that. I am willing to pay more than an au pair salary, for someone who will do more.
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| amother wrote: | | RachelEve14 wrote: | | A quick google shows there are au pair jobs listed for in EY, so there must be a way to hire them. Maybe look into an aupair situation? |
thanx racheleve, I am not so familiar with the term aupair, but from what I know about it, an au pair doesnt do cleaning, - isnt it like - they get free room and board while they go to school, in exchange for being like a 'mothers helper'? I think I need someone who is more hands-on, full-time than that. I am willing to pay more than an au pair salary, for someone who will do more. |
I think they take one class or something (in the US they take English, here no clue), but they work 30 hours a week for a salary and room & board.
If you are doing this legally (not judging, just saying), have you tried advertising on janglo, tanglo, etc. looking for girls after SL who want to save money for a year before starting university or whatever. It seems to be a very common thing judging from my friends daughters that they do a year of SL and then take a year to live at home and earn money before going off to university. If you are providing room & board + salary might be a great chance for a girl like that who is good with kids.
Hatzlacha finding the right person! I would say look on lists in the US, but I don't know the legalities of getting a visa for someone (which is why I suggested maybe talking to an au pair agency because I assume they do things legally as far as the working paperwork). _________________ Lucky Mom to 5
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Posted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 11:49 am Post subject: re: live in nanny in Israel- where to find, what to look for |
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I have a thought, but before I suggest to her I want to make sure that you have thought through the Jewish live in issues. On nights you work late, and your DH is not out of the country, will your DH be home? Are there going to be yichud issues a frum woman wouldn't want to deal with? _________________ Liba, mommy to Zlata Tova 5/6/98, Tziporah Faiga 1/12/01, Esther Rivka 7/13/04 and Avraham Chaim 7/2/2006
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| Hi OP. Just letting you know that I haven't forgotten about you and will ask my DD the first chance I have. It's sometimes difficult to connect with her because of the time difference and her little kids schedule. I'm in the USA. By the way, she gave birth in Manyei HaYeshua in Bnei Braq.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: re: live in nanny in Israel- where to find, what to look |
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| amother wrote: | | Isramom8 wrote: | The "backup plan" is that the employing family has to pay for the airplane flight of the worker being deported. It's illegal and risky. I know a guy who successfully pretended to have no idea who the worker was, when the police went after him.
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Isramom, my parents live in the US, as do DH's. we dont have Savta's/Bubbies/Grandmas here. so this is actually, pretty unhelpful. I work 50-60 hrs/wk, DH travels to Europe about 3x/month. I need someone who can cover nights when I am working late, can take my older son to school, take care of a baby, and who can be around to help in the house, when I am essentially a "single parent" for days at a time. the 6000 NIS someone mentioned for a live in, is less than we pay our current live-out nanny (8200 NIS per month, plus transportation).
I don't need a babysitter. or I would hire some high school girl or whatever. I need a real nanny, who does housekeeping. I am sure they exist, maybe I am just not tapping into the right resources. I am willing to go the foreign worker route, though I am very reluctant about it, esp. after reading what people right. money is really not an issue here, so I am willing to pay a premium to have someone Jewish, responsible, who wants a nice place to live, with her own phone line/tv/computer, space, right in the center of the country. the job might be demanding (not might-- IS), but that is commensurate with the compensation, which is substantial, especially for someone who I am not expecting to have a degree or higher education of any sort. I just dont know where to find what I am looking for. |
No, no, I didn't mean "your" kids' savta! I meant a stay-at-home local savta, who is looking to work as a nanny, although maybe live out.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 12:33 pm Post subject: re: live in nanny in Israel- where to find, what to look for |
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| I was thinking more a newly/newish divorced lady with no kids or just one baby who need a job and a place to stay...
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Just as an aside, I think that if you hire a nanny, that's what she is: a nanny, to take care of your children. If you want cleaning help, you hire a cleaner. Sure, a nanny can do light work such as getting the kids' meals, doing their dishes, doing their laundry and folding. But to expect more than that is really getting into SAHM territory, and you know nothing is payment enough for that.
You want a nanny to focus on your children, nothing else, really.
I suggest a post army/sheirut girl who hasn't figured out what she wants to do in life yet. However, with this type of situation, rather than a stable, older "career" nanny, you run the risk of her leaving the job after a year, which isn't such a good thing for the children. _________________ The future simply isn't what it used to be....
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Posted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: re: live in nanny in Israel- where to find, what to look |
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| Tamiri wrote: | Just as an aside, I think that if you hire a nanny, that's what she is: a nanny, to take care of your children. If you want cleaning help, you hire a cleaner. Sure, a nanny can do light work such as getting the kids' meals, doing their dishes, doing their laundry and folding. But to expect more than that is really getting into SAHM territory, and you know nothing is payment enough for that.
You want a nanny to focus on your children, nothing else, really.
I suggest a post army/sheirut girl who hasn't figured out what she wants to do in life yet. However, with this type of situation, rather than a stable, older "career" nanny, you run the risk of her leaving the job after a year, which isn't such a good thing for the children. |
so tamiri- when I say housekeeping, I don't mean someone who will be scrubbing my toilets. but I do need someone who can take care of laundry, sweep/mop, stuff like that. meal prep=microwaving the schnitzel I made. or making an egg. simple stuff appropriate for young kids. if my house needs a "deep cleaning," or I need extra help b4 pesach- things like that- I can call a real "cleaning lady" to get the job done in 6 hrs. I do not want to come home after a 16 hr day, to a pig sty, and kids who have been eating bissli.
post-sheirut/army would be perfect and ideal - that is who I have now, but like I said in a way earlier post, shes is starting college this year, and will sadly, be leaving us after 2.5 years (sadly for us-- but happy for her that she figured out what she wants to major in, and is moving on with life!). truth be told, I know I run the risk of her leaving after a year or two, but I only have 1.5 super intense year of training left, and then my job will ease up considerably, the live-in gig isnt forever. I can go back to normalcy - regular, day-time help, like most other moms in my profession.
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| Well, good luck. I know that in well-heeled areas such as Savion and Herzeliya Pituach, a live in nanny/au pair isn't such an oddity but I'm not sure that who they employ is along the lines of what you are looking for.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: re: live in nanny in Israel- where to find, what to look |
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| amother wrote: | the 6000 NIS someone mentioned for a live in, is less than we pay our current live-out nanny (8200 NIS per month, plus transportation).
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Yes, I know, that's why people prefer a live in foreign worker to a live-out Israeli. The 6000 NIS though is the price I heard quoted for an illegal foreign worker - I"m sure it's much more for an Israeli nanny.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: re: live in nanny in Israel- where to find, what to look |
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| amother wrote: | | Tamiri wrote: | Just as an aside, I think that if you hire a nanny, that's what she is: a nanny, to take care of your children. If you want cleaning help, you hire a cleaner. Sure, a nanny can do light work such as getting the kids' meals, doing their dishes, doing their laundry and folding. But to expect more than that is really getting into SAHM territory, and you know nothing is payment enough for that.
You want a nanny to focus on your children, nothing else, really.
I suggest a post army/sheirut girl who hasn't figured out what she wants to do in life yet. However, with this type of situation, rather than a stable, older "career" nanny, you run the risk of her leaving the job after a year, which isn't such a good thing for the children. |
so tamiri- when I say housekeeping, I don't mean someone who will be scrubbing my toilets. but I do need someone who can take care of laundry, sweep/mop, stuff like that. meal prep=microwaving the schnitzel I made. or making an egg. simple stuff appropriate for young kids. if my house needs a "deep cleaning," or I need extra help b4 pesach- things like that- I can call a real "cleaning lady" to get the job done in 6 hrs. I do not want to come home after a 16 hr day, to a pig sty, and kids who have been eating bissli.
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I don't think it's too much to expect everyday housekeeping and cooking, too. I think most nannies cook lunch, they don't just warm up what the ba'alat habayit cooked last night after her long day at work.
OP also only has 2 kids, IIRC, so I would think a nanny could accomplish cleaning too, especially since the older child seems to be in school. I think in Israel though 'nanny' refers more to a general domestic worker, and not necessarily to a metapelet. I know people with 'nannies' who come home in the evening to spend quality time with their kids, and that's when the 'metapelet'/nanny/housekeeper does the deeper cleaning.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: re: live in nanny in Israel- where to find, what to look |
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| Tablepoetry wrote: |
OP also only has 2 kids, IIRC, so I would think a nanny could accomplish cleaning too, especially since the older child seems to be in school. I think in Israel though 'nanny' refers more to a general domestic worker, and not necessarily to a metapelet. I know people with 'nannies' who come home in the evening to spend quality time with their kids, and that's when the 'metapelet'/nanny/housekeeper does the deeper cleaning. |
ack! this is OP- so tablepoetry, I have an important clarification issue for you- just semantics here, but is important for all the ads I am now trying to write up.
am I looking for what israelis call a "nanny" or what they call a "metapelet"??
I thought, a metapelet is a babysitter. like the type of woman who - watches other peoples kids in her home, or, if you are lucky, comes over and watches your kids.
to me, a nanny (at least based on my american upbringing), means: someone who is essentially "the" SAHM while I work. meaning-
1 does basic household stuff, keeps the house in order
2 basic (and I mean basic for what I am looking for, though some of my friends in the US/England have nannies that prepare Shabbos for them!), cooking,
3 basic household errands, and
4 - most importantly of course, everything for the kids- taking to from gan/school/camp, meals, playtime, bathtime, etc.
is this more properly referred to as a "metapelet" in Israel? if so, is it possible to find a "LIVE IN METAPELET"? I always thought a metapelet was more like a babysitter, which is much less than what I need.
my current nanny, who we have had since we made aliya, we have always called, a nanny.
thanks!!!!
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Posted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 5:05 pm Post subject: re: live in nanny in Israel- where to find, what to look for |
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| OP, I know people who have aupairs (not in israel) who do housekeeping for them. As long as you specify before hand what her duties are it is not a problem. Also, there is something called an aupair plus - you pay a bit more and they work 36 hours.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 5:20 pm Post subject: re: live in nanny in Israel- where to find, what to look for |
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OP - I've never heard the word 'nanny' used by an Israeli, and I have the feeling many don't know what it is. I definitely would not include that word in any Hebrew ads.
I have heard 'metepelet' used quite often, as well as 'ozeret'. I would probably include both words in my ad. Many Israelis also use the term 'au pair' to refer to any live-in help.
I think maybe you should say something about the salary you are willing to pay - you may get more offers if people realize you are willing to pay well.
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OP, I grew up with a nanny. The nanny attended to the children and our needs. For instance, she attended to us during our meals (to make sure we used proper manners and ate our food), she washed our clothes and tried to make sure we put them away (if not, she did it), she made sure our rooms were tidy and our homework was done. She put us into bed, usually with a story, after we each had a bath.
She certainly did not do housekeeping beyond making sure our toys and books were tidy, the housekeeper did the rest. She did not prepare meals, the chef prepared ours and our parents'. I don't know who cleaned up the dishes after, either the housekeeper or the chef. Not the nanny. By then, we were onto evening activities.
You might need to think about expanding your house staff.
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Hi OP. Well, I spoke with DD and she said she doesn't know of any agencies. You may just have to take the underground route for a while and hire someone without a work permit. I know that you would want her to do errands outside, though, and that would be risky for both you and the live in. I know that you will be giving birth soon and probably want to interview people in the near future. I wish you lots of luck and I will speak with DD again to see if she has any ideas. By the way, her live in is paid $450.00 per week and has her own suite with large flat screen TV, and works from 7 am to 9 pm six days a week. My DD has a large house (by Israeli standards) with marble floors and windows everywhere and is always spotless. Her live in is full of energy and likes to work and keep busy.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 19 2012, 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: re: live in nanny in Israel- where to find, what to look |
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| amother wrote: | OP, I grew up with a nanny. The nanny attended to the children and our needs. For instance, she attended to us during our meals (to make sure we used proper manners and ate our food), she washed our clothes and tried to make sure we put them away (if not, she did it), she made sure our rooms were tidy and our homework was done. She put us into bed, usually with a story, after we each had a bath.
She certainly did not do housekeeping beyond making sure our toys and books were tidy, the housekeeper did the rest. She did not prepare meals, the chef prepared ours and our parents'. I don't know who cleaned up the dishes after, either the housekeeper or the chef. Not the nanny. By then, we were onto evening activities.
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Don't forget the ladies maid, butler and scullery maid.
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Lol, nothing like that when I was growing up.
Honestly, even though it sounds very hoity-toity, it really just was every day life. A man came to cook, a lady came to clean, and the nanny took care of us. No uniforms, or spoons full of sugar.
My father was a very busy man who traveled a great deal, but he maintained an interest in our activities. My mother was also very busy working with my father, but she spent time with us when she could. She tried very hard to come to our school presentations and conferences.
Sorry OP, this is going off topic. I just meant to say you might be better off with a live-out and simply hiring a person or two more to cover the additional duties.
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| amother wrote: | Hi OP. Well, I spoke with DD and she said she doesn't know of any agencies. You may just have to take the underground route for a while and hire someone without a work permit. I know that you would want her to do errands outside, though, and that would be risky for both you and the live in. I know that you will be giving birth soon and probably want to interview people in the near future. I wish you lots of luck and I will speak with DD again to see if she has any ideas. By the way, her live in is paid $450.00 per week and has her own suite with large flat screen TV, and works from 7 am to 9 pm six days a week. My DD has a large house (by Israeli standards) with marble floors and windows everywhere and is always spotless. Her live in is full of energy and likes to work and keep busy.  |
OOC- why would it be risky? I am in the US and people who are illegal do their normal life routine, either inside or outside.
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