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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 8:36 am    Post subject: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
I'd like to know the halacha. Must I cover my feet(like wear socks) to follow halacha?
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 8:42 am    Post subject: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
The halacha is different for various groups.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 8:51 am    Post subject: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
No one holds that you must cover the feet (from the ankle down).
Do you mean legs?
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 9:06 am    Post subject: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
I was taught not to daven without wearing shoes or slippers (at least something on your feet)...because some other religions pray barefoot/without shoes. I'm sure that's not the answer to your question, and I'm not an authority.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
merelyme wrote:
No one holds that you must cover the feet (from the ankle down).
Do you mean legs?


This.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 9:18 am    Post subject: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
Specifically feet is what I wanted to know. Like must I wear socks/nylons with my shoes or sandals. Thank you ladies.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
amother wrote:
Specifically feet is what I wanted to know. Like must I wear socks/nylons with my shoes or sandals. Thank you ladies.
What Ruchel said. Different groups do differently.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 9:54 am    Post subject: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
It's minhag hamakom - that is why not all do. Certain groups /areas is a must, others not. Covering legs is minhag so it is not equivalent to covering knees which is halacha.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
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It's minhag hamakom - that is why not all do. Certain groups /areas is a must, others not. Covering legs is minhag so it is not equivalent to covering knees which is halacha.


Covering legs is not a minhag. There's a difference of opinion in Halacha as to what constitutes a choik. Most poskim are of the opinion that it the part of the leg bellow the knee (not feet), according to those poskim (Baal HaTanya etc) the leg must be covered. The mishna Berura is a notable exception , paskenning that the choik is the thigh area.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 10:30 am    Post subject: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
I heard that the literal halacha states that the knee and above must be covered and the ankle and below must be covered.... the leg from knee to ankle are covered my most - but it is not the literal halacha brought down from the sources.

I do now know how valid this is- it is something that I heard from a principal of a school who caters to students who want to follow just by the exact letter of the law- not more and not less. If you would want a source for this I can def try and get hold of it via the principal.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 11:33 am    Post subject: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
Most, really?
I see those who ALWAYS wear tights are a rarity among the frum, in %
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
Culturedpearls wrote:
amother wrote:
It's minhag hamakom - that is why not all do. Certain groups /areas is a must, others not. Covering legs is minhag so it is not equivalent to covering knees which is halacha.


Covering legs is not a minhag. There's a difference of opinion in Halacha as to what constitutes a choik. Most poskim are of the opinion that it the part of the leg bellow the knee (not feet), according to those poskim (Baal HaTanya etc) the leg must be covered. The mishna Berura is a notable exception , paskenning that the choik is the thigh area.

shoke.

According to those who say the lower leg is not shoke but still cover it it is minhag hamakom. Feet are never shoke.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
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amother wrote:
It's minhag hamakom - that is why not all do. Certain groups /areas is a must, others not. Covering legs is minhag so it is not equivalent to covering knees which is halacha.


Covering legs is not a minhag. There's a difference of opinion in Halacha as to what constitutes a choik. Most poskim are of the opinion that it the part of the leg bellow the knee (not feet), according to those poskim (Baal HaTanya etc) the leg must be covered. The mishna Berura is a notable exception , paskenning that the choik is the thigh area.

shoke.

According to those who say the lower leg is not shoke but still cover it it is minhag hamakom. Feet are never shoke.


Right, shoke (smartphone typo!) but mishna Berura is the only one. So if you do not pasken according to the mishna Berura then it's Halacha not minhag.
Noone includes feet.
Btw those that hold that the shoke is below the knee, require that area to be covered by opaque tights not sheer.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 9:25 pm    Post subject: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
Not OP.
Ok This whole discussion is confusing me even more.
Few questions:
- There is no issur at all to show the feet?? I never knew that.
Where exactly does it start- under the ankles? The ankles itself, etc..? And then that means there's really nothing wrong with wearing just leggings and shoes (no socks)? I always thought it wasn't so correct to do that. Can anyone help clarify that? Because I think if I would attempt to go out and show ankles and below, I would get looks and I'm sure my dh would tell me I shouldn't do it. Can you tell me a source?

- Whoever wrote that people who hold that below the knee is shok only cover with opaque, I think you are wrong. Otherwise, who are all these ladies who are wearing nude? They're not doing it because they like the look or it feels nice and cool in 90 degree weather. I'm pretty sure the reasoning is, that since it's machklokes, you can be more lenient in some ways.

BEcause well, if you really hold it the same way as regular shok, then you couldn't even wear tights at all. You'd have to cover the shape with a long skirt.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 9:46 pm    Post subject: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
I've noticed that when my toenails aren't done, I am very machmir about covering my feet. when I have a fresh pedicure, I don't think there is any halachic basis for closed shoes or even socks.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
black sheep wrote:
I've noticed that when my toenails aren't done, I am very machmir about covering my feet. when I have a fresh pedicure, I don't think there is any halachic basis for closed shoes or even socks.

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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 12 2012, 4:45 am    Post subject: Re: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
amother wrote:
Not OP.
Ok This whole discussion is confusing me even more.
Few questions:
- There is no issur at all to show the feet?? I never knew that.
Where exactly does it start- under the ankles? The ankles itself, etc..? And then that means there's really nothing wrong with wearing just leggings and shoes (no socks)? I always thought it wasn't so correct to do that. Can anyone help clarify that? Because I think if I would attempt to go out and show ankles and below, I would get looks and I'm sure my dh would tell me I shouldn't do it. Can you tell me a source?
A source? Anything in halacha. No opinion holds that feet are shoke. Wearing socks is minhag hamakom. I assume that includes covering feet. Yes, you will get funny looks if you wear leggings without socks in a community where everyone else wears socks.

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- Whoever wrote that people who hold that below the knee is shok only cover with opaque, I think you are wrong.
If they hold that the bottom of the leg is shoke they need to either wear a sirt that covers to their ankle or opaque socks. Another layer on the upper shoke is also at least recommended (leggings, pants, non see through stockings).
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Otherwise, who are all these ladies who are wearing nude?
Hopefully the don't hold that the bottom of the leg is shoe. Most non chassidishe ashkinazim hold that way.
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They're not doing it because they like the look or it feels nice and cool in 90 degree weather. I'm pretty sure the reasoning is, that since it's machklokes, you can be more lenient in some ways.

Either its shoke,and ervah, or not. Really the skirt should cover shoke but that isn't the style so there is a leniency for socks- if they are nor sheer.

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BEcause well, if you really hold it the same way as regular shok, then you couldn't even wear tights at all. You'd have to cover the shape with a long skirt.
Right, but the halacha didn't end up that way because that isn't what women did or do.
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 12 2012, 5:28 am    Post subject: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
Watch out men, I'm taking off my socks. If you thought my little finger was zexy...here come's my baby toe!

Perhaps its time for a frum woman's slut walk. We'll all take off our socks and shoes and walk barefoot (wearing burkas, of course) in an enclosed auditorium of course.
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 12 2012, 5:32 am    Post subject: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
bring out the ankle porn.. I heard that if one uncovers their feet or legs or any part of ones body, lightening will strike them down. oh one will also be subjected to arrogant kids and poverty.
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 12 2012, 5:34 am    Post subject: Re: re: What's the halachah on covering your feet?
 
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bring out the ankle porn.. I heard that if one uncovers their feet or legs or any part of ones body, lightening will strike them down. oh one will also be subjected to arrogant kids and poverty.
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