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Posted: Tue, Jul 10 2012, 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: re: khaki to wedding |
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| shabbatiscoming wrote: | | zaq wrote: | | lamplighter wrote: | I've seen this too.
What I find interesting is that the bride is all dressed up in a gown etc (something she will never wear again and doesn't wear usually) and the groom and all the guests are dressed casually. |
1. Israeli wedding gowns tend not to be the $5000 lace-, pearl- and brilliants-embellished many-petticoated, yards-wide layered confections worn in the US. They tend to be quite simple, even stark by US standards, and not at all out of place with a simply,even casually dressed chattan. .
2. The chattan seldom cares about the wedding. he just wants to get married. It's the kallah who usually is into the whole white-tulle-and-lace thing, she who agonizes over color of the tablecloths and whether the invitations should be in linen-finish or satin-finish stock. And it's she who has top billing at this event, with the chattan playing second fiddle (to mix metaphors. bad zaq! bad, bad, bad!)
3. Women in general tend to dress fancier than men.
4. Girls dream of "looking like a bride". Guys don't dream of looking like a chattan. And anyway, what does a chattan look like? No different from his groomsmen, usually, unless he wears a kittel, and we're not talking about kittel weddings here.
5. Gowns can be rented in Israel, and there are gown gemachs, just as there are in the US. | Can you explain this please? What does that mean, not a kittle wedding? I have been to weddings with and without kittles in all walks of judaism. | zaq, maybe you missed this post, but I am really interested to find out what you meant by a kittel wedding.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 10 2012, 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: re: khaki to wedding |
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There were those who suspected Pippa of trying to upstage the bride. Not because her dress was white but because it so blatantly screamed "look at my beautiful bod!" while the bridal gown was thoroughly demure.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 10 2012, 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: khaki to wedding |
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| thatgirl wrote: | | Lately I've been watching wedding videos on youtube and noticed that at a lot of Israeli weddings, the chosson is wearing sneakers and khaki pants. Isint this an insult to the bride who comes all dressed up and looking beautiful? I also noticed a lot of the women dont come soo dressed up like here in America. I am really wondering about this custom. Is there a reason that some men dress like this at their wedding? | At a DL wedding, you usually know the chosson because he's the only one wearing a suit!
And these arent weekday pants, they're their designated shabbos pants, lots of people wear khakis on shabbos, its considered more shabbosdik because its closer to white and white is shabbosdik.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 10 2012, 9:33 pm Post subject: re: khaki to wedding |
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My father was at a wedding in Israel where the chatan was wearing shorts and flip flops.
Israelis in general are much more casual. The guys especially. I wouldn't be insulted, so long as he is comfortable! I love dressing up and love being in a gown so if my husband turns up in pjs, as long as he is not embarassed, god bless his cotton socks (or his trousers in this case ) _________________
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Posted: Tue, Jul 10 2012, 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: re: khaki to wedding |
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| chocolate chips wrote: | My father was at a wedding in Israel where the chatan was wearing shorts and flip flops.
Israelis in general are much more casual. The guys especially. I wouldn't be insulted, so long as he is comfortable! I love dressing up and love being in a gown so if my husband turns up in pjs, as long as he is not embarassed, god bless his cotton socks (or his trousers in this case ) |
I would be sooo upset if dh turned up that way lol. Like I went crazy getting makeup, hair, nails...etc done and then he comes looking like that!
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Posted: Tue, Jul 10 2012, 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: khaki to wedding |
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| Seraph wrote: | | thatgirl wrote: | | Lately I've been watching wedding videos on youtube and noticed that at a lot of Israeli weddings, the chosson is wearing sneakers and khaki pants. Isint this an insult to the bride who comes all dressed up and looking beautiful? I also noticed a lot of the women dont come soo dressed up like here in America. I am really wondering about this custom. Is there a reason that some men dress like this at their wedding? | At a DL wedding, you usually know the chosson because he's the only one wearing a suit!
And these arent weekday pants, they're their designated shabbos pants, lots of people wear khakis on shabbos, its considered more shabbosdik because its closer to white and white is shabbosdik.
I was at a wedding where the sister of the bride game in wearing jeans and a tunic. Now that, I thought was offensive. It wasnt even nice jeans. | Funny you mention this because I have mostly been to DL/MO weddings in Israel and the majority of the time, the chatan is not wearing a suit jacket at all. I guess different crowds.
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Posted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 8:24 am Post subject: re: khaki to wedding |
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I've seen yeshivish weddings where the men are in dress pants but not suits.
I've seen MO weddings where everyone is dressed to the nines.
It's true that in Israel it's more casual, and in Europe more casual than in NY, etc. _________________
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Posted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 9:00 am Post subject: Re: re: khaki to wedding |
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There were those who suspected Pippa of trying to upstage the bride. Not because her dress was white but because it so blatantly screamed "look at my beautiful bod!" while the bridal gown was thoroughly demure. |
People screamed about everything and anything at that wedding lol!
And by the way when I wear a gorgeous gown at a wedding I don't do it so people should look and think how much nicer or not I am than the bride but rather because something looks good on me! But paprazzi wouldn't think that way would they?
Also I remember seeing pictures of someones wedding and I am not kidding when they say you could NOT TELL WHO WAS THE BRIDE! It was an american wedding, at the time when everyone wore huge ballgowns and the kalla was too and the only difference the ONLY one was that the bride had a veil! It was SICK!!!!
Off white and kallah in white is one thing, I don't like it but perhaps on little kids its ok also champagne. But when everyone plus the kallah is in off white it looks stupid!
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Posted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 11:38 am Post subject: re: khaki to wedding |
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| Ballgowns are so weird. I never "got" it, and I've been online for years!
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Posted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 11:43 am Post subject: re: khaki to wedding |
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| On the contrary, ballgowns are perfect camouflage for women who have slim torsos, small waists and heavy hips and thighs.
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Posted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 11:48 am Post subject: re: khaki to wedding |
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| Yes. As would, say, a burka! But I still find it weird when one is not a kala. Like I would find it weird to show up in tattered jeans to a business meeting or a 1000 dollar pants suit to a hike.
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Posted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 11:49 am Post subject: re: khaki to wedding |
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A lot of Israeli guys are just slobs. Others are too casual for words. The big thing among certain circles are pastel or light colored suits that we used to call " puerto rican taste" back in my day...but I'm dating myself. This in certain circles is NOT the country for high fashion...bridal gowns can also be very vulgar... We are a rather vulgar people in general sometimes unfortunately, maybe not in frum circles but in secular or traditional? Spare me.... _________________ "Olam Chessed Yiboneh", Tehilim 89.
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Posted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: re: khaki to wedding |
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| freidasima wrote: | | A lot of Israeli guys are just slobs. Others are too casual for words. The big thing among certain circles are pastel or light colored suits that we used to call " puerto rican taste" back in my day...but I'm dating myself. This in certain circles is NOT the country for high fashion...bridal gowns can also be very vulgar... We are a rather vulgar people in general sometimes unfortunately, maybe not in frum circles but in secular or traditional? Spare me.... |
LOL, must agree with this. In any case, I'd prefer super casual any day over the appalling white suits/gelled hair look, with the kalla in a sequined bikini dress. Happens often.
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Posted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 12:41 pm Post subject: re: khaki to wedding |
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I was at a wedding where the bridesmaids wore black pantsuits. NOT nice IMHO.
I've attended dati weddings where I was thoroughly overdressed, and not only because I had on so many clothes.
OTOH, the women we rented gowns from for DD's chassuna was majorly makpid on appearances. She told DD2 that she was "not allowed" to look nicer - or taller - than her sister the kallah (even though she "is" taller), and insisted that she wear shorter heels, and that the kallah accept more hoopskirts than she wanted to, so that she'd stand out from her younger sister. A bit controlling for my taste, but I guess she knew what she was doing, because my girls looked amazing, bli ayin hara.
I wore a gown in a color (if navy is a "color") to the floor, but I think people looked at it as kind of cute - oh, look, a young Ima at her first child's chassuna. I'd fit in better to go with the midcalf black mother-of-the-kallah/chosson outfit that my friends wear.
My boys did not wear sneakers. Even my 3 year old got new Shabbos shoes, although he was taken home by the babysitter early and it was mainly for the pictures. He thought it was Purim altogether.
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Posted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 12:48 pm Post subject: re: khaki to wedding |
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| I also noticed by the weddings that there is a whole yehi ratzon thing that is said over loudspeaker? Who does that by their weddings and y?
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Posted: Wed, Jul 11 2012, 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: re: khaki to wedding |
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| freidasima wrote: | | A lot of Israeli guys are just slobs. Others are too casual for words. The big thing among certain circles are pastel or light colored suits that we used to call " puerto rican taste" back in my day...but I'm dating myself. This in certain circles is NOT the country for high fashion...bridal gowns can also be very vulgar... We are a rather vulgar people in general sometimes unfortunately, maybe not in frum circles but in secular or traditional? Spare me.... |
I don't know---I consider wearing lots of beads and huge fake gemstones--or even huge real gemstones-- to be vulgar in the extreme, but I see frum women wearing these garish beaded, sequinned and bejeweled hats and accessories, daytime dresses with outsize fake jeweled accents, and enormous jewelry both real and fake all the time. What possesses a person to wear a beret that is completely covered in sequins or a bag covered in a king's ransom of fake jewels-in the daytime? What are we, in kindergarten playing Cinderella at the Ball?
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