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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 3:56 pm    Post subject: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
She is in Bais Yaakov. She always asks for money to buy clothes and it is never ending. We live in a very wealthy community and she likes to look fashionable. We don't have much money but still I want her to feel and look good. What is the reasonable amount of money to give her for a month for clothes.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 4:10 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
I would work backwards - how many new things do you think it is reasonable for her to buy in a year? Does she have enough clothes and just wants new things as well? Then work out the total cost (eg one new Shabbos outfit for summer, one for winter, two new skirts, two new blouses, underwear, one new pair of weekday and one of Shabbos shoes) etc. Now divide the total by 12 and see if you can afford it. If you can't, she'll have to manage with fewer clothes and/or supplement it with babysitting etc.

If you do this, be sure to explain that she will probably need to save from other months for YT.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 4:42 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
wow I cant afford new cloths each month
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 5:30 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
a 16 year old is stilll growing, though
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 6:11 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
if you live in a wealthy community she should be able to easily earn good money babysitting.

I would give her a minimal amount for essentials (shoes, underwear, 2 shabbos outfits per year, several weekday outfits, school uniform) and tell her the rest she needs to earn on her own.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 6:37 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
As another mother suggested, figure out WITH your DD a total budget for the whole year. Whatever it is, ask her what she is looking for, make her part of the process, it helps kids to learn about budgets and how to think through these things as they get older. This was what my mother did for em and I think it was a great move.

Once you figure out what is needed/wanted for the whole year add a dollar value to it then divide by 12. Decide what you are comfortable spending and have DD pitch in with either work around the house to earn money or other jobs (babysitting etc). I think it's pretty important that she pitch in a little if she is wanting clothes. I also grew up in a very wealthy area and I went to a school with lots fo wealthy families. My family happens to be quite comfortable and were able to provide me with the clothes but never had me pitch in. As I got older I had to force myself to think very differently about budgets and clothes. Until I got older and started working, I didn't realize how hard it was to earn an income. I think by helping your daughter be PART of the process so she can share with you what she wants its helps her to think ahead. When you decide how much you are willing to contribute, she can decide if its important to her enough to get more and if it is she can ork for it.

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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 8:02 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
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Thanks for the replies. The problem is that she says she can't wear the same shabbos cloths in at least a month because every shabbos she has to have a different outfit otherwise she wouldn't go to her friends. It is a very materialistic community. I know that we spoiled her but now we are trying to save money and we can't afford it. She started babysitting but she said she wants to save the babysitting money.
Can somebody give me a reasonable dollar amount per month? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 9:11 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
There is no way to know, what's it being used for? How much clothes is she supposed to be able to pay for with it?
What do the clothes she buys cost?

Some of these questions you need to figure out with her.

Save for what?
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 9:18 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
Raisin wrote:
I would give her a minimal amount for essentials (shoes, underwear, 2 shabbos outfits per year, several weekday outfits, school uniform) and tell her the rest she needs to earn on her own.


She probably doesn't want to buy uniforms, delicates and shoes. I'll bet she wants to buy tops and accessories.

What about a coat ?
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 9:26 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
here's what I think is reasonable:

if she NEEDS new clothing, ie outgrew things, had them wear out, rip unrepairably, etc., you will pay for the new clothing. if she WANTS new clothing, ie a fifth shabbos outfit, she has to spend her own money. you do not have to finance her excessive spending. she has her own money, let her use it. she can budget her own money to allow for some saving if she wants to save.

when I was right out of high school, I got a job. my mom told me that now that I was working, I would be paying for my clothing. that was fine with me, I had already been spending my own money on the extras I wanted. there is no reason for her not to have what she wants, as long as she is using her own money.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 9:32 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
What type of clothes is she buying? Is each top $50.00 or $350.00?
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 11:54 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
She wants to buy clothing monthly, but your family doesn't have much money? She needs to get a job.

Have a heart-to-heart with her about her friends - perhaps she feels inferior in some way because of the wealth disparity. Do you think the other girls really notice if someone repeats an outfit more than once a month?
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
cm wrote:
She wants to buy clothing monthly, but your family doesn't have much money? She needs to get a job.

Have a heart-to-heart with her about her friends - perhaps she feels inferior in some way because of the wealth disparity. Do you think the other girls really notice if someone repeats an outfit more than once a month?


A discussion is a good idea but if she indeed lives in an area and goes to a school where everyone else has way more clothes than she does, or designer clothes, she will feel inferior, and her "friends" will notice and talk about it -they're teenagers (and according to OP materialistic too). It's hard.

I think you should focus your discussion on needs vs wants, how much you can budget for her clothes and how she can supplement if it's important to her.

Also, is this money for shopping trips? or for actual specific clothes? Are these shopping trips social events, is that how she hangs out with her friends or is she asking for more shabbos clothes, cuter shoes etc?
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 3:02 am    Post subject: Re: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
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Op here
Thanks for the replies. The problem is that she says she can't wear the same shabbos cloths in at least a month because every shabbos she has to have a different outfit otherwise she wouldn't go to her friends. It is a very materialistic community. I know that we spoiled her but now we are trying to save money and we can't afford it. She started babysitting but she said she wants to save the babysitting money.
Can somebody give me a reasonable dollar amount per month? Thanks.


No these aren't problems - they are solvable issues. Sit her down and explain a little about the facts of (financial) life.

You cannot fund this luxury, so she has two choices:
1. Learn to cope with peer pressure (not so easy at this age, but possible, and you will be doing her a big favour for life) and manage with 2 Shabbos outfits and show her friends that you can wear the same clothes as last week and no one will die, ch"v.

2. Not save her babysitting money, but spend it on clothes.

This attitude is very immature/ spoiled (it might have rubbed off from her friends) and this is your last chance to do something about it and give her life skills. When you earn money, can you choose to both save it and have someone else buy you what you could have bought with the money? Having money involves choices. She can choose to save it, but then she can't spend it. She can choose to buy unnecessary clothes, but then she can't save it or use it to go out with her friends. You can give this over to her in an empowering way, showing her how she is old enough to make (some) adult decisions.

Again, if you can't afford it, give her money for what she NEEDS (1-2 Shabbos outfits, not 5), which also depends on what she already has. And let her choose whether to add to that money with her own earnings. (16 yr old girls have usually stopped growing).
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 8:18 am    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
OP, I think you should let your daughter save ALL her money. You should give her a very generous budget because c'v she be seen in the same outfit twice in a month. It is your fault you spoiled her and moved to a wealthy area. After all it is not her fault you now have to save money.

The allowance should be $500 a month. She shouldn't be seen in the same Shabbos shoes and accessories all the time either She must dress well so she goes out on Shabbos. All her essential clothes like uniforms and undergarments should not come out of her budget. She will need extra for spring and winter coats each year.

After all, she will be getting married in a few short years and then you can save. Oh wait, she will want to save her salary and you can support her and her husband. She will never learn responsibility and self reliance; but she will be well dressed.
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 1:03 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
I was allowed to buy two "shehechianu" outfits each of the shalosh regalim and for rosh hashana - assuming she doesn't grow out of them - that's a month's worth of shabbos outfits every year.

Other than that, give her 10-20 bucks for new accessories every month so she has something to show off to her friends on a regular basis
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 1:11 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
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The problem is that she says she can't wear the same shabbos cloths in at least a month because every shabbos she has to have a different outfit otherwise she wouldn't go to her friends.


I think you've got some very good advice here and I hope you will heed it. She has to learn these lessons now, to be proud of who she is, not what she wears. If she CHOOSES to stay home on Shabbos, gesunterheit. But her threats should not motivate you.

You need to do your budget, figure out what you can afford to give her each month, then tell her that's what she gets and she either needs to figure out how to make it cover what she wants (shop sales, outlets, etc., or spend her own money). If she wants to save her babysitting money, that's her CHOICE. If it is important to her to have a new outfit for every Shabbos, then it should be important enough for her to spend some of her babysitting money. If it isn't, then it isn't all that important.

It will be easier to learn this lesson now than later. It is part of chinuch. People who don't learn money management and living within their means often wind up with closets full of things they had to have in a house that they can't pay the mortgage on.
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 1:33 pm    Post subject: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
Op here
I know I spoiled her. Part of the problem is that about until about two years ago we had money and she got whatever she wanted. It is my fault that I want her to have everything despite our financial situation and I think she knows that I have this weak spot. She is also my only daughter and her brothers dont ask for fancy clothes (actually they do want designer suits and ties but I didnt get it for them and they don't care that much). I realize that I have to stop this crazy spending on her clothes. She doesn't need the shopping as a social event and she has a lot of friends, some are very rich and some are not. is 200 a month a fair amount? A shabbos outfit is about that price. I will tell her she can use her babysitting money as a supplement.
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
MountainRose wrote:
I was allowed to buy two "shehechianu" outfits each of the shalosh regalim and for rosh hashana - assuming she doesn't grow out of them - that's a month's worth of shabbos outfits every year.

Other than that, give her 10-20 bucks for new accessories every month so she has something to show off to her friends on a regular basis


we do this too!

DD who turns 16 today B'H....
works as a counsellor and does babysitting she saves the money to pay for the extras .

We have taught her that keeping up with the plonis is unhealthy , she gets what she needs but NOT whatever she wants. I assume you pay tuition at BY too right so for her to demand and get more is indulging her ,and not good chinuch on teaching self control.
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DD and I love thrift finds ....She has this vintage leather orange 1970's purse the "it" girls loved and wanted to go out and purchase , she and friends do clothing swaps too , she is not ashamed to save because I taught her is good for the planet .

I do get her special things on special occasions but never to keep up with overindulged peers.

Boost her confidence from the inside so she will need less external validation.

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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Monthly allowance for clothes for 16 yo dd
 
amother wrote:
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I know I spoiled her. Part of the problem is that about until about two years ago we had money and she got whatever she wanted. It is my fault that I want her to have everything despite our financial situation and I think she knows that I have this weak spot. She is also my only daughter and her brothers dont ask for fancy clothes (actually they do want designer suits and ties but I didnt get it for them and they don't care that much). I realize that I have to stop this crazy spending on her clothes. She doesn't need the shopping as a social event and she has a lot of friends, some are very rich and some are not. is 200 a month a fair amount? A shabbos outfit is about that price. I will tell her she can use her babysitting money as a supplement.


ok, 200 is a LOT for a shabbos outfit. no, it's not a fair amount. it's a very generous amount. I spend $40 at MOST on a shabbos outfit for me. granted, I don't go for designer names, but let's look at things honestly.

you want to save money. you can't afford your daughter's shopping habits. you want to give her some money towards what she wants. this is already unnecessary, but you want to.

go through her closet. how many outfits does she have? if she buys monthly, I'm betting she's got plenty. so she doesn't NEED anything else. you want to give her extra? give her $20-40 per month. that's it. if she wants more expensive items, she can use her own money. she could technically get perfectly nice clothing for under $40. she could divide up her own money into what to save and what to spend. if she doesn't want to spend all her babysitting money, she's got a whole wardrobe of designer items. if she says they're outdated, she can make a pretty penny selling what she doesn't like anymore. I'm sure she can use that towards a new outfit.

I don't spend $200 per month on my own clothing. I spend approximately $500 on a whole year's worth of clothing for my three children by shopping sales a year in advance. I would not spend $2400 per year on one kid. even at that level, you're spoiling her. that's $2400 per year you could be saving, and you did say you need to save money.
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