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the volunteer coordinator called me today, she read my email that I sent of what happened and she said she is horrified at the way I was treated and is so sorry. we're metting next week for a drink. she also said that she thinks eva could be abusive so she's sent a notice to the holocaust centre telling them to pay visits to the house check up on eva - would be good if eva's gone home! at least now there is some record of eva down as a person to watch carefully.
I disagree that it was expected of margaret to side with eva over me. what's the point of keeping someone monstrous near you just because they are "family"? margaret did not lose any family in the holocaust, only her husband did. her family all survived in hiding. anyway, she has a daughter, grand daughter and 3 gg children, while not in this country, they're happy. she also told me that she has a sister living in hungary who is absolutely horrible and she wants nothing to do with her. well she can't be much worse than eva. she also has a brother who she has no contact with either. that's fine.
the decent thing for margaret to do was to, when the time came, find a carer if need be who was genuine. she is lucky to have extremely nice neighbours, who did favours for her, drove her to places, when why should they, when eva is paid to do all that - and was instead sitting at home 4 hours away. eva was scared that I would make a claim (she knows how strongly people feel about taxes), but while I would NOT have made a claim anyway (as I said, I was selfless, I spent money from my own pocket on margaret), the way I treated margaret was in a whole different realm to the way eva treated her. I gave her all the love in my heart, I treated her with such kindness. I used all my resources to add happiness to her life. we would sit in the park for hours, I would read to her or listen to her stories and she told me she had a good afternoon. you think eva would listen to her talk or listen to her stories? please
as I said, I would not have reported them (as others would), I wouldn't have made a claim I was not interested in her money one bit. I wanted to volunteer. however I think margaret's loyalty to eva is misplaced. my grandmother's friend left a lot of money to a neighbour who looked after her well. what matters is someone's decency and the love and kindness they show you. why side with a monstrous "niece" over a Jewish girl who helped you selflessly for over a year, treated you with respect and kindness, went out of their way to bring happiness and joy to your life. I was the most regular fixture in her life. I believe eva was also scared by the comments of the neighbours on what a lovely girl I was and how attentive I was to her. her doctor also knew me, which was very serious as far as eva is concerned.
it was wrong of margaret to allow herself to manipulated, regardless, by eva in the way she disposed of me with coldness and a mere cold "thank you goodbye". margaret has all faculties, thank G-d no alzheimers, confusion, nothing. she's amazingly sharp. she knew all that was going on, and it shocked me that at the very least, if she chose to protect eva's money over me, she could have at the least said to eva she wanted a few minutes with me alone to say goodbye. but after more than a year of friendship and selfless love on my part, and the good times I gave her, I was discarded like a pair of old socks and in a carefully planned act to get rid of me. I have never felt such coldness emanating from people towards me before. I suppose that margaret simply didn't value the friendship I gave her. I know many other elderly people closely, and I know that had they been in her position, they would have a huge amount of love and warmth in their heart towards a girl who had done for them what I did to margaret.
I certainly won't tell the coordinator too much about the situation, I will simply be subtle and say that eva saw me as a threat to her role as "carer"
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| amother wrote: | | the volunteer coordinator called me today, she read my email that I sent of what happened and she said she is horrified at the way I was treated and is so sorry. we're metting next week for a drink. she also said that she thinks eva could be abusive so she's sent a notice to the holocaust centre telling them to pay visits to the house check up on eva - would be good if eva's gone home! at least now there is some record of eva down as a person to watch carefully. |
I'm glad you were in touch with the volunteer coordinator, and that extra resources are available from the holocaust centre.
Do let the coordinator know all your concerns about Eva. There is no reason to keep secrets from her, and she may be able to mobilize more resources for Margaret, depending on her needs. Do not be coy or subtle. As a volunteer, you may be in over your head, so to speak. Some situations call for professional guidance and intervention.
Why does Margeret keep Eva in her life? It doesn't matter. She does. People do not always think, feel or behave the way we think they should. It's her choice to keep her relative in her life, whether or not you approve. If her well-being is at risk, which it might be, call for expert help (see above). I gather that you are not in the US so I don't know what your local equivalent is, but a call to the local office on the aging or adult protective service may be needed if Margaret's money is mishandled or she doesn't receive the care she needs.
And about your feelings - of course you feel hurt and betrayed. You put a lot of yourself into this volunteer work. But are you doing volunteer work to help someone else, or to help yourself feel good? You can't force Margaret to accept your services; she doesn't want your help right now. Perhaps if you stay in touch in little ways (a card, a brief phone call to say Shabbat Shalom) you may be able to mend the relationship in the future. I think perhaps you are taking this much too personally; it sounds like you landed unwittingly in the middle of a complicated family situation that doesn't really have to do with you. Probably any attentive volunteer visitor would have ended up in the same situation here.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 11:04 am Post subject: re: Should I report my unpleasant experience to her (long bu |
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I didn't read every reply on this thread, but my first impression was that Eva probably told Margaret lies. She probably said that you were just after her money and I'm sure Eva had "proof" also. Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems so obvious to me.
Don't think that it was all for nothing. In the end, you made this lady truly happy. For Margaret's sake (as well as yours) I hope this gets sorted out because she is a victim of Eva's manipulations.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 11:29 am Post subject: Re: re: Should I report my unpleasant experience to her (lon |
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| cm wrote: | | amother wrote: | | the volunteer coordinator called me today, she read my email that I sent of what happened and she said she is horrified at the way I was treated and is so sorry. we're metting next week for a drink. she also said that she thinks eva could be abusive so she's sent a notice to the holocaust centre telling them to pay visits to the house check up on eva - would be good if eva's gone home! at least now there is some record of eva down as a person to watch carefully. |
I'm glad you were in touch with the volunteer coordinator, and that extra resources are available from the holocaust centre.
Do let the coordinator know all your concerns about Eva. There is no reason to keep secrets from her, and she may be able to mobilize more resources for Margaret, depending on her needs. Do not be coy or subtle. As a volunteer, you may be in over your head, so to speak. Some situations call for professional guidance and intervention.
Why does Margeret keep Eva in her life? It doesn't matter. She does. People do not always think, feel or behave the way we think they should. It's her choice to keep her relative in her life, whether or not you approve. If her well-being is at risk, which it might be, call for expert help (see above). I gather that you are not in the US so I don't know what your local equivalent is, but a call to the local office on the aging or adult protective service may be needed if Margaret's money is mishandled or she doesn't receive the care she needs.
And about your feelings - of course you feel hurt and betrayed. You put a lot of yourself into this volunteer work. But are you doing volunteer work to help someone else, or to help yourself feel good? You can't force Margaret to accept your services; she doesn't want your help right now. Perhaps if you stay in touch in little ways (a card, a brief phone call to say Shabbat Shalom) you may be able to mend the relationship in the future. I think perhaps you are taking this much too personally; it sounds like you landed unwittingly in the middle of a complicated family situation that doesn't really have to do with you. Probably any attentive volunteer visitor would have ended up in the same situation here. |
I was doing it for margaret not myself!! I cared about her so much my family were afraid to say anything slightly negative because they feared upsetting me because they knew I thought highly of her - they didn't think as highly of her as I did. my mum, who took her in the car to cafes and parks, said to me she doesn't think she appreciates me. as soon as I mentioned eva, she said that eva will prove troublesome to me and that this won't end well..and she was right
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Posted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 11:47 am Post subject: Re: re: Should I report my unpleasant experience to her (lon |
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| amother wrote: | the volunteer coordinator called me today, she read my email that I sent of what happened and she said she is horrified at the way I was treated and is so sorry. we're metting next week for a drink. she also said that she thinks eva could be abusive so she's sent a notice to the holocaust centre telling them to pay visits to the house check up on eva - would be good if eva's gone home! at least now there is some record of eva down as a person to watch carefully.
I disagree that it was expected of margaret to side with eva over me. what's the point of keeping someone monstrous near you just because they are "family"? margaret did not lose any family in the holocaust, only her husband did. her family all survived in hiding. anyway, she has a daughter, grand daughter and 3 gg children, while not in this country, they're happy. she also told me that she has a sister living in hungary who is absolutely horrible and she wants nothing to do with her. well she can't be much worse than eva. she also has a brother who she has no contact with either. that's fine.
the decent thing for margaret to do was to, when the time came, find a carer if need be who was genuine. she is lucky to have extremely nice neighbours, who did favours for her, drove her to places, when why should they, when eva is paid to do all that - and was instead sitting at home 4 hours away. eva was scared that I would make a claim (she knows how strongly people feel about taxes), but while I would NOT have made a claim anyway (as I said, I was selfless, I spent money from my own pocket on margaret), the way I treated margaret was in a whole different realm to the way eva treated her. I gave her all the love in my heart, I treated her with such kindness. I used all my resources to add happiness to her life. we would sit in the park for hours, I would read to her or listen to her stories and she told me she had a good afternoon. you think eva would listen to her talk or listen to her stories? please
as I said, I would not have reported them (as others would), I wouldn't have made a claim I was not interested in her money one bit. I wanted to volunteer. however I think margaret's loyalty to eva is misplaced. my grandmother's friend left a lot of money to a neighbour who looked after her well. what matters is someone's decency and the love and kindness they show you. why side with a monstrous "niece" over a Jewish girl who helped you selflessly for over a year, treated you with respect and kindness, went out of their way to bring happiness and joy to your life. I was the most regular fixture in her life. I believe eva was also scared by the comments of the neighbours on what a lovely girl I was and how attentive I was to her. her doctor also knew me, which was very serious as far as eva is concerned.
it was wrong of margaret to allow herself to manipulated, regardless, by eva in the way she disposed of me with coldness and a mere cold "thank you goodbye". margaret has all faculties, thank G-d no alzheimers, confusion, nothing. she's amazingly sharp. she knew all that was going on, and it shocked me that at the very least, if she chose to protect eva's money over me, she could have at the least said to eva she wanted a few minutes with me alone to say goodbye. but after more than a year of friendship and selfless love on my part, and the good times I gave her, I was discarded like a pair of old socks and in a carefully planned act to get rid of me. I have never felt such coldness emanating from people towards me before. I suppose that margaret simply didn't value the friendship I gave her. I know many other elderly people closely, and I know that had they been in her position, they would have a huge amount of love and warmth in their heart towards a girl who had done for them what I did to margaret.
I certainly won't tell the coordinator too much about the situation, I will simply be subtle and say that eva saw me as a threat to her role as "carer" |
amother, not losing her family in the holocaust doesn't mean she's not afraid of losing eva. her kids left for another country, she doesn't see her grandkids, etc, she's not in touch with her siblings... you don't see any abandonment here?
and it's very nice that your mom thought she doesn't appreciate you. maybe she doesn't. but you keep repeating that you were selflessly loving, that you bought her things, etc. if you were selflessly loving you might have tried to see things from her point of view instead of being so indignant over it. for whatever the reason, margaret values eva's kinship. she has a right to value that. and again, there may be elder abuse in the situation. please don't judge margaret so harshly. again, feel all the hurt you need to. that's 100% fine. but don't take it so personally. chances are it really ISN'T about you.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: re: Should I report my unpleasant experience to her (lon |
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| mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | the volunteer coordinator called me today, she read my email that I sent of what happened and she said she is horrified at the way I was treated and is so sorry. we're metting next week for a drink. she also said that she thinks eva could be abusive so she's sent a notice to the holocaust centre telling them to pay visits to the house check up on eva - would be good if eva's gone home! at least now there is some record of eva down as a person to watch carefully.
I disagree that it was expected of margaret to side with eva over me. what's the point of keeping someone monstrous near you just because they are "family"? margaret did not lose any family in the holocaust, only her husband did. her family all survived in hiding. anyway, she has a daughter, grand daughter and 3 gg children, while not in this country, they're happy. she also told me that she has a sister living in hungary who is absolutely horrible and she wants nothing to do with her. well she can't be much worse than eva. she also has a brother who she has no contact with either. that's fine.
the decent thing for margaret to do was to, when the time came, find a carer if need be who was genuine. she is lucky to have extremely nice neighbours, who did favours for her, drove her to places, when why should they, when eva is paid to do all that - and was instead sitting at home 4 hours away. eva was scared that I would make a claim (she knows how strongly people feel about taxes), but while I would NOT have made a claim anyway (as I said, I was selfless, I spent money from my own pocket on margaret), the way I treated margaret was in a whole different realm to the way eva treated her. I gave her all the love in my heart, I treated her with such kindness. I used all my resources to add happiness to her life. we would sit in the park for hours, I would read to her or listen to her stories and she told me she had a good afternoon. you think eva would listen to her talk or listen to her stories? please
as I said, I would not have reported them (as others would), I wouldn't have made a claim I was not interested in her money one bit. I wanted to volunteer. however I think margaret's loyalty to eva is misplaced. my grandmother's friend left a lot of money to a neighbour who looked after her well. what matters is someone's decency and the love and kindness they show you. why side with a monstrous "niece" over a Jewish girl who helped you selflessly for over a year, treated you with respect and kindness, went out of their way to bring happiness and joy to your life. I was the most regular fixture in her life. I believe eva was also scared by the comments of the neighbours on what a lovely girl I was and how attentive I was to her. her doctor also knew me, which was very serious as far as eva is concerned.
it was wrong of margaret to allow herself to manipulated, regardless, by eva in the way she disposed of me with coldness and a mere cold "thank you goodbye". margaret has all faculties, thank G-d no alzheimers, confusion, nothing. she's amazingly sharp. she knew all that was going on, and it shocked me that at the very least, if she chose to protect eva's money over me, she could have at the least said to eva she wanted a few minutes with me alone to say goodbye. but after more than a year of friendship and selfless love on my part, and the good times I gave her, I was discarded like a pair of old socks and in a carefully planned act to get rid of me. I have never felt such coldness emanating from people towards me before. I suppose that margaret simply didn't value the friendship I gave her. I know many other elderly people closely, and I know that had they been in her position, they would have a huge amount of love and warmth in their heart towards a girl who had done for them what I did to margaret.
I certainly won't tell the coordinator too much about the situation, I will simply be subtle and say that eva saw me as a threat to her role as "carer" |
amother, not losing her family in the holocaust doesn't mean she's not afraid of losing eva. her kids left for another country, she doesn't see her grandkids, etc, she's not in touch with her siblings... you don't see any abandonment here?
and it's very nice that your mom thought she doesn't appreciate you. maybe she doesn't. but you keep repeating that you were selflessly loving, that you bought her things, etc. if you were selflessly loving you might have tried to see things from her point of view instead of being so indignant over it. for whatever the reason, margaret values eva's kinship. she has a right to value that. and again, there may be elder abuse in the situation. please don't judge margaret so harshly. again, feel all the hurt you need to. that's 100% fine. but don't take it so personally. chances are it really ISN'T about you. |
of course I'm willing to see her point of view but the only reason I was shaken by the episode was because of the way she broke off the friendship we had and the way I was treated. it was a charade I was in. you are right if she chose to protect eva's money that's her choice, but she had the understanding of what was going on and she went along with hurting a girl's feelings. when I arrived, they both said to me "you are late" - when I did not say a time, I was out in the morning, and what if I was in a class - who are they to tell me to come whenever they want. it was so so cold. margaret and eva left me alone in the living room as I was waiting to be picked up, and as I was leaving, I was the one who had to go up to margaret in the kitchen I walked up to her, and she just brushed me off coldly with goodbye. even someone who is generally not sensitive would have even been shaken if they were in my position that afternoon, being in the middle of a game plan to discard me and then eva ran out to the car frantically with the book I read to margaret, it was so ugly. if I did not care about margaret that much I wouldn't have been bothered at all, only disturbed by the atmosphere that was so horrible on that day. I can't help it that I was shaken. had it not been for the way margaret treated and dismissed me I would perhaps put up with speaking to horrible eva on the phone in order to speak to her (if she would allow me), but there is no way a person could treat someone they are fond of intentionally like that and as I said she has no confusion.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: re: Should I report my unpleasant experience to her (lon |
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| amother wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | the volunteer coordinator called me today, she read my email that I sent of what happened and she said she is horrified at the way I was treated and is so sorry. we're metting next week for a drink. she also said that she thinks eva could be abusive so she's sent a notice to the holocaust centre telling them to pay visits to the house check up on eva - would be good if eva's gone home! at least now there is some record of eva down as a person to watch carefully.
I disagree that it was expected of margaret to side with eva over me. what's the point of keeping someone monstrous near you just because they are "family"? margaret did not lose any family in the holocaust, only her husband did. her family all survived in hiding. anyway, she has a daughter, grand daughter and 3 gg children, while not in this country, they're happy. she also told me that she has a sister living in hungary who is absolutely horrible and she wants nothing to do with her. well she can't be much worse than eva. she also has a brother who she has no contact with either. that's fine.
the decent thing for margaret to do was to, when the time came, find a carer if need be who was genuine. she is lucky to have extremely nice neighbours, who did favours for her, drove her to places, when why should they, when eva is paid to do all that - and was instead sitting at home 4 hours away. eva was scared that I would make a claim (she knows how strongly people feel about taxes), but while I would NOT have made a claim anyway (as I said, I was selfless, I spent money from my own pocket on margaret), the way I treated margaret was in a whole different realm to the way eva treated her. I gave her all the love in my heart, I treated her with such kindness. I used all my resources to add happiness to her life. we would sit in the park for hours, I would read to her or listen to her stories and she told me she had a good afternoon. you think eva would listen to her talk or listen to her stories? please
as I said, I would not have reported them (as others would), I wouldn't have made a claim I was not interested in her money one bit. I wanted to volunteer. however I think margaret's loyalty to eva is misplaced. my grandmother's friend left a lot of money to a neighbour who looked after her well. what matters is someone's decency and the love and kindness they show you. why side with a monstrous "niece" over a Jewish girl who helped you selflessly for over a year, treated you with respect and kindness, went out of their way to bring happiness and joy to your life. I was the most regular fixture in her life. I believe eva was also scared by the comments of the neighbours on what a lovely girl I was and how attentive I was to her. her doctor also knew me, which was very serious as far as eva is concerned.
it was wrong of margaret to allow herself to manipulated, regardless, by eva in the way she disposed of me with coldness and a mere cold "thank you goodbye". margaret has all faculties, thank G-d no alzheimers, confusion, nothing. she's amazingly sharp. she knew all that was going on, and it shocked me that at the very least, if she chose to protect eva's money over me, she could have at the least said to eva she wanted a few minutes with me alone to say goodbye. but after more than a year of friendship and selfless love on my part, and the good times I gave her, I was discarded like a pair of old socks and in a carefully planned act to get rid of me. I have never felt such coldness emanating from people towards me before. I suppose that margaret simply didn't value the friendship I gave her. I know many other elderly people closely, and I know that had they been in her position, they would have a huge amount of love and warmth in their heart towards a girl who had done for them what I did to margaret.
I certainly won't tell the coordinator too much about the situation, I will simply be subtle and say that eva saw me as a threat to her role as "carer" |
amother, not losing her family in the holocaust doesn't mean she's not afraid of losing eva. her kids left for another country, she doesn't see her grandkids, etc, she's not in touch with her siblings... you don't see any abandonment here?
and it's very nice that your mom thought she doesn't appreciate you. maybe she doesn't. but you keep repeating that you were selflessly loving, that you bought her things, etc. if you were selflessly loving you might have tried to see things from her point of view instead of being so indignant over it. for whatever the reason, margaret values eva's kinship. she has a right to value that. and again, there may be elder abuse in the situation. please don't judge margaret so harshly. again, feel all the hurt you need to. that's 100% fine. but don't take it so personally. chances are it really ISN'T about you. |
of course I'm willing to see her point of view but the only reason I was shaken by the episode was because of the way she broke off the friendship we had and the way I was treated. it was a charade I was in. you are right if she chose to protect eva's money that's her choice, but she had the understanding of what was going on and she went along with hurting a girl's feelings. when I arrived, they both said to me "you are late" - when I did not say a time, I was out in the morning, and what if I was in a class - who are they to tell me to come whenever they want. it was so so cold. margaret and eva left me alone in the living room as I was waiting to be picked up, and as I was leaving, I was the one who had to go up to margaret in the kitchen I walked up to her, and she just brushed me off coldly with goodbye. even someone who is generally not sensitive would have even been shaken if they were in my position that afternoon, being in the middle of a game plan to discard me and then eva ran out to the car frantically with the book I read to margaret, it was so ugly. if I did not care about margaret that much I wouldn't have been bothered at all, only disturbed by the atmosphere that was so horrible on that day. I can't help it that I was shaken. had it not been for the way margaret treated and dismissed me I would perhaps put up with speaking to horrible eva on the phone in order to speak to her (if she would allow me), but there is no way a person could treat someone they are fond of intentionally like that and as I said she has no confusion. |
amother, there is a way. people do it. it is not so uncommon. again, it's ok that you're hurt/shaken. it's normal, in fact. but thinking of her as a bad person is not helpful to you, and may be unjustified. I hope you never have to be in such a position. (that's a bracha, take it )
try not to let this deter you from volunteering. I'm sure you do so much good, and it's wonderful that people like you take time out of their days to help others.
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| mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | the volunteer coordinator called me today, she read my email that I sent of what happened and she said she is horrified at the way I was treated and is so sorry. we're metting next week for a drink. she also said that she thinks eva could be abusive so she's sent a notice to the holocaust centre telling them to pay visits to the house check up on eva - would be good if eva's gone home! at least now there is some record of eva down as a person to watch carefully.
I disagree that it was expected of margaret to side with eva over me. what's the point of keeping someone monstrous near you just because they are "family"? margaret did not lose any family in the holocaust, only her husband did. her family all survived in hiding. anyway, she has a daughter, grand daughter and 3 gg children, while not in this country, they're happy. she also told me that she has a sister living in hungary who is absolutely horrible and she wants nothing to do with her. well she can't be much worse than eva. she also has a brother who she has no contact with either. that's fine.
the decent thing for margaret to do was to, when the time came, find a carer if need be who was genuine. she is lucky to have extremely nice neighbours, who did favours for her, drove her to places, when why should they, when eva is paid to do all that - and was instead sitting at home 4 hours away. eva was scared that I would make a claim (she knows how strongly people feel about taxes), but while I would NOT have made a claim anyway (as I said, I was selfless, I spent money from my own pocket on margaret), the way I treated margaret was in a whole different realm to the way eva treated her. I gave her all the love in my heart, I treated her with such kindness. I used all my resources to add happiness to her life. we would sit in the park for hours, I would read to her or listen to her stories and she told me she had a good afternoon. you think eva would listen to her talk or listen to her stories? please
as I said, I would not have reported them (as others would), I wouldn't have made a claim I was not interested in her money one bit. I wanted to volunteer. however I think margaret's loyalty to eva is misplaced. my grandmother's friend left a lot of money to a neighbour who looked after her well. what matters is someone's decency and the love and kindness they show you. why side with a monstrous "niece" over a Jewish girl who helped you selflessly for over a year, treated you with respect and kindness, went out of their way to bring happiness and joy to your life. I was the most regular fixture in her life. I believe eva was also scared by the comments of the neighbours on what a lovely girl I was and how attentive I was to her. her doctor also knew me, which was very serious as far as eva is concerned.
it was wrong of margaret to allow herself to manipulated, regardless, by eva in the way she disposed of me with coldness and a mere cold "thank you goodbye". margaret has all faculties, thank G-d no alzheimers, confusion, nothing. she's amazingly sharp. she knew all that was going on, and it shocked me that at the very least, if she chose to protect eva's money over me, she could have at the least said to eva she wanted a few minutes with me alone to say goodbye. but after more than a year of friendship and selfless love on my part, and the good times I gave her, I was discarded like a pair of old socks and in a carefully planned act to get rid of me. I have never felt such coldness emanating from people towards me before. I suppose that margaret simply didn't value the friendship I gave her. I know many other elderly people closely, and I know that had they been in her position, they would have a huge amount of love and warmth in their heart towards a girl who had done for them what I did to margaret.
I certainly won't tell the coordinator too much about the situation, I will simply be subtle and say that eva saw me as a threat to her role as "carer" |
amother, not losing her family in the holocaust doesn't mean she's not afraid of losing eva. her kids left for another country, she doesn't see her grandkids, etc, she's not in touch with her siblings... you don't see any abandonment here?
and it's very nice that your mom thought she doesn't appreciate you. maybe she doesn't. but you keep repeating that you were selflessly loving, that you bought her things, etc. if you were selflessly loving you might have tried to see things from her point of view instead of being so indignant over it. for whatever the reason, margaret values eva's kinship. she has a right to value that. and again, there may be elder abuse in the situation. please don't judge margaret so harshly. again, feel all the hurt you need to. that's 100% fine. but don't take it so personally. chances are it really ISN'T about you. |
of course I'm willing to see her point of view but the only reason I was shaken by the episode was because of the way she broke off the friendship we had and the way I was treated. it was a charade I was in. you are right if she chose to protect eva's money that's her choice, but she had the understanding of what was going on and she went along with hurting a girl's feelings. when I arrived, they both said to me "you are late" - when I did not say a time, I was out in the morning, and what if I was in a class - who are they to tell me to come whenever they want. it was so so cold. margaret and eva left me alone in the living room as I was waiting to be picked up, and as I was leaving, I was the one who had to go up to margaret in the kitchen I walked up to her, and she just brushed me off coldly with goodbye. even someone who is generally not sensitive would have even been shaken if they were in my position that afternoon, being in the middle of a game plan to discard me and then eva ran out to the car frantically with the book I read to margaret, it was so ugly. if I did not care about margaret that much I wouldn't have been bothered at all, only disturbed by the atmosphere that was so horrible on that day. I can't help it that I was shaken. had it not been for the way margaret treated and dismissed me I would perhaps put up with speaking to horrible eva on the phone in order to speak to her (if she would allow me), but there is no way a person could treat someone they are fond of intentionally like that and as I said she has no confusion. |
amother, there is a way. people do it. it is not so uncommon. again, it's ok that you're hurt/shaken. it's normal, in fact. but thinking of her as a bad person is not helpful to you, and may be unjustified. I hope you never have to be in such a position. (that's a bracha, take it )
try not to let this deter you from volunteering. I'm sure you do so much good, and it's wonderful that people like you take time out of their days to help others. |
I thought of her as an amazing person. if I did not think anything special of her, I wouldn't have been as affected by her behaviour to me
it won't deter me but as someone else said, not in such a personal setting. another thing that can happen is because the elderly person may be confused, they can think you stole something.
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eva's gonna answer the phone (if she's even there and not gone back to where she comes from)
she's probably also hidden/thrown away the op's number if it was written down so margaret can't call her
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hey, just an update on what happened with my situation
today I went out for lunch with the volunteer coordinator. she is really horrified by everything and she said this sort of thing has never happened in the whole ten years she has been doing her job. she said my email made her cry. she said she spoke to the lady (social worker) at the holocaust centre immediately to warn her about eva and check on the house. she also sent a copy of my email to the social worker at the holocaust centre. this lady was also horrified and said that that's no way to treat a volunteer.
today, although I was very subtle about everything, but I gave the account, the volunteer coordinator realised that eva is guilty of fraud and has been manipulating margaret. she is going to tell the lady at holocaust centre about this. don't worry, next week please G-d the social worker is going to the house. when she spoke to eva (after having been called by the volunteer coordinator and after reading my email), she said to eva, where is the girl who used to come and visit, how come she does not come anymore? eva replied, we needed the keys back. the lady from the holocaust centre then told the volunteer coordinator what she said, who replied to her that's rubbish. of course we know the real reason.
apparently margaret's condition is serious and she is in and out of hospice.
so as I said next week the social worker is going to visit the house. as soon as my volunteer coordinator hears from her, she's going to call me. she said to me that she is going to try and arrange for me to say goodbye to margaret.
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| amother wrote: | hey, just an update on what happened with my situation
today I went out for lunch with the volunteer coordinator. she is really horrified by everything and she said this sort of thing has never happened in the whole ten years she has been doing her job. she said my email made her cry. she said she spoke to the lady (social worker) at the holocaust centre immediately to warn her about eva and check on the house. she also sent a copy of my email to the social worker at the holocaust centre. this lady was also horrified and said that that's no way to treat a volunteer.
today, although I was very subtle about everything, but I gave the account, the volunteer coordinator realised that eva is guilty of fraud and has been manipulating margaret. she is going to tell the lady at holocaust centre about this. don't worry, next week please G-d the social worker is going to the house. when she spoke to eva (after having been called by the volunteer coordinator and after reading my email), she said to eva, where is the girl who used to come and visit, how come she does not come anymore? eva replied, we needed the keys back. the lady from the holocaust centre then told the volunteer coordinator what she said, who replied to her that's rubbish. of course we know the real reason.
apparently margaret's condition is serious and she is in and out of hospice.
so as I said next week the social worker is going to visit the house. as soon as my volunteer coordinator hears from her, she's going to call me. she said to me that she is going to try and arrange for me to say goodbye to margaret. |
op, I'm glad you'll get to say goodbye to margaret. do you know what's going to happen next? I hope margaret comes through this ok...
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| mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | hey, just an update on what happened with my situation
today I went out for lunch with the volunteer coordinator. she is really horrified by everything and she said this sort of thing has never happened in the whole ten years she has been doing her job. she said my email made her cry. she said she spoke to the lady (social worker) at the holocaust centre immediately to warn her about eva and check on the house. she also sent a copy of my email to the social worker at the holocaust centre. this lady was also horrified and said that that's no way to treat a volunteer.
today, although I was very subtle about everything, but I gave the account, the volunteer coordinator realised that eva is guilty of fraud and has been manipulating margaret. she is going to tell the lady at holocaust centre about this. don't worry, next week please G-d the social worker is going to the house. when she spoke to eva (after having been called by the volunteer coordinator and after reading my email), she said to eva, where is the girl who used to come and visit, how come she does not come anymore? eva replied, we needed the keys back. the lady from the holocaust centre then told the volunteer coordinator what she said, who replied to her that's rubbish. of course we know the real reason.
apparently margaret's condition is serious and she is in and out of hospice.
so as I said next week the social worker is going to visit the house. as soon as my volunteer coordinator hears from her, she's going to call me. she said to me that she is going to try and arrange for me to say goodbye to margaret. |
op, I'm glad you'll get to say goodbye to margaret. do you know what's going to happen next? I hope margaret comes through this ok... |
I hope I'll see her, please G-d, what's going to happen, I don't know because she said she is waiting for the social worker from the holocaust centre to call her, who's please G-d going next week to the house. this woman knows everything now about what went on, with regard to the way she manipulated margaret and cut me out of her life and now how she was committing fraud. eva will probably get her comeuppance.don't worry, both these two ladies are looking out for margaret she told me today she has an obligation to do that, and, she's worried about how she's being treated by eva. once my volunteer coordinator has been called by the social worker, she will call me back to let me know what's happening. that's how we left it today.
she told me not to call the house. she said to me me to not do anything until I call her.
I just hope she is not being mistreated and hopefully the situation will at least end a little better than I thought, with the way our relationship has been left on such a bad note. I am sure this upsets margaret too and I just don't want her to be feeling any sadness/guilt
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| amother wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | hey, just an update on what happened with my situation
today I went out for lunch with the volunteer coordinator. she is really horrified by everything and she said this sort of thing has never happened in the whole ten years she has been doing her job. she said my email made her cry. she said she spoke to the lady (social worker) at the holocaust centre immediately to warn her about eva and check on the house. she also sent a copy of my email to the social worker at the holocaust centre. this lady was also horrified and said that that's no way to treat a volunteer.
today, although I was very subtle about everything, but I gave the account, the volunteer coordinator realised that eva is guilty of fraud and has been manipulating margaret. she is going to tell the lady at holocaust centre about this. don't worry, next week please G-d the social worker is going to the house. when she spoke to eva (after having been called by the volunteer coordinator and after reading my email), she said to eva, where is the girl who used to come and visit, how come she does not come anymore? eva replied, we needed the keys back. the lady from the holocaust centre then told the volunteer coordinator what she said, who replied to her that's rubbish. of course we know the real reason.
apparently margaret's condition is serious and she is in and out of hospice.
so as I said next week the social worker is going to visit the house. as soon as my volunteer coordinator hears from her, she's going to call me. she said to me that she is going to try and arrange for me to say goodbye to margaret. |
op, I'm glad you'll get to say goodbye to margaret. do you know what's going to happen next? I hope margaret comes through this ok... |
I hope I'll see her, please G-d, what's going to happen, I don't know because she said she is waiting for the social worker from the holocaust centre to call her, who's please G-d going next week to the house. this woman knows everything now about what went on, with regard to the way she manipulated margaret and cut me out of her life and now how she was committing fraud. eva will probably get her comeuppance.don't worry, both these two ladies are looking out for margaret she told me today she has an obligation to do that, and, she's worried about how she's being treated by eva. once my volunteer coordinator has been called by the social worker, she will call me back to let me know what's happening. that's how we left it today.
she told me not to call the house. she said to me me to not do anything until I call her.
I just hope she is not being mistreated and hopefully the situation will at least end a little better than I thought, with the way our relationship has been left on such a bad note. I am sure this upsets margaret too and I just don't want her to be feeling any sadness/guilt |
this is what I was afraid of. hopefully margaret will be ok, but separation from eva may have serious psychological ramifications. I'm glad there's a social worker involved, hopefully they'll be able to help her through this. poor margaret
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| mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | hey, just an update on what happened with my situation
today I went out for lunch with the volunteer coordinator. she is really horrified by everything and she said this sort of thing has never happened in the whole ten years she has been doing her job. she said my email made her cry. she said she spoke to the lady (social worker) at the holocaust centre immediately to warn her about eva and check on the house. she also sent a copy of my email to the social worker at the holocaust centre. this lady was also horrified and said that that's no way to treat a volunteer.
today, although I was very subtle about everything, but I gave the account, the volunteer coordinator realised that eva is guilty of fraud and has been manipulating margaret. she is going to tell the lady at holocaust centre about this. don't worry, next week please G-d the social worker is going to the house. when she spoke to eva (after having been called by the volunteer coordinator and after reading my email), she said to eva, where is the girl who used to come and visit, how come she does not come anymore? eva replied, we needed the keys back. the lady from the holocaust centre then told the volunteer coordinator what she said, who replied to her that's rubbish. of course we know the real reason.
apparently margaret's condition is serious and she is in and out of hospice.
so as I said next week the social worker is going to visit the house. as soon as my volunteer coordinator hears from her, she's going to call me. she said to me that she is going to try and arrange for me to say goodbye to margaret. |
op, I'm glad you'll get to say goodbye to margaret. do you know what's going to happen next? I hope margaret comes through this ok... |
I hope I'll see her, please G-d, what's going to happen, I don't know because she said she is waiting for the social worker from the holocaust centre to call her, who's please G-d going next week to the house. this woman knows everything now about what went on, with regard to the way she manipulated margaret and cut me out of her life and now how she was committing fraud. eva will probably get her comeuppance.don't worry, both these two ladies are looking out for margaret she told me today she has an obligation to do that, and, she's worried about how she's being treated by eva. once my volunteer coordinator has been called by the social worker, she will call me back to let me know what's happening. that's how we left it today.
she told me not to call the house. she said to me me to not do anything until I call her.
I just hope she is not being mistreated and hopefully the situation will at least end a little better than I thought, with the way our relationship has been left on such a bad note. I am sure this upsets margaret too and I just don't want her to be feeling any sadness/guilt |
this is what I was afraid of. hopefully margaret will be ok, but separation from eva may have serious psychological ramifications. I'm glad there's a social worker involved, hopefully they'll be able to help her through this. poor margaret  |
noo, don't worry. I don't think they will officially "separate" them. nothing like that is going to be done now at this stage. eva needs to learn that behaviour is unacceptable. trust me, there is no bond between margaret and eva. eva doesn't care one bit for her. if she did, she would have been so happy to see that I was looking after her auntie, and that she had a warm friendship with somebody. that alone would have made her happy to have me visit always, despite her dark secrets and fears. her aunt's happiness and well being would have been number one. margaret is so lost in her own world of memories and thoughts. her feeling for eva is not really emotional, it's a confusion/obligation feeling
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| amother wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | hey, just an update on what happened with my situation
today I went out for lunch with the volunteer coordinator. she is really horrified by everything and she said this sort of thing has never happened in the whole ten years she has been doing her job. she said my email made her cry. she said she spoke to the lady (social worker) at the holocaust centre immediately to warn her about eva and check on the house. she also sent a copy of my email to the social worker at the holocaust centre. this lady was also horrified and said that that's no way to treat a volunteer.
today, although I was very subtle about everything, but I gave the account, the volunteer coordinator realised that eva is guilty of fraud and has been manipulating margaret. she is going to tell the lady at holocaust centre about this. don't worry, next week please G-d the social worker is going to the house. when she spoke to eva (after having been called by the volunteer coordinator and after reading my email), she said to eva, where is the girl who used to come and visit, how come she does not come anymore? eva replied, we needed the keys back. the lady from the holocaust centre then told the volunteer coordinator what she said, who replied to her that's rubbish. of course we know the real reason.
apparently margaret's condition is serious and she is in and out of hospice.
so as I said next week the social worker is going to visit the house. as soon as my volunteer coordinator hears from her, she's going to call me. she said to me that she is going to try and arrange for me to say goodbye to margaret. |
op, I'm glad you'll get to say goodbye to margaret. do you know what's going to happen next? I hope margaret comes through this ok... |
I hope I'll see her, please G-d, what's going to happen, I don't know because she said she is waiting for the social worker from the holocaust centre to call her, who's please G-d going next week to the house. this woman knows everything now about what went on, with regard to the way she manipulated margaret and cut me out of her life and now how she was committing fraud. eva will probably get her comeuppance.don't worry, both these two ladies are looking out for margaret she told me today she has an obligation to do that, and, she's worried about how she's being treated by eva. once my volunteer coordinator has been called by the social worker, she will call me back to let me know what's happening. that's how we left it today.
she told me not to call the house. she said to me me to not do anything until I call her.
I just hope she is not being mistreated and hopefully the situation will at least end a little better than I thought, with the way our relationship has been left on such a bad note. I am sure this upsets margaret too and I just don't want her to be feeling any sadness/guilt |
this is what I was afraid of. hopefully margaret will be ok, but separation from eva may have serious psychological ramifications. I'm glad there's a social worker involved, hopefully they'll be able to help her through this. poor margaret  |
noo, don't worry. I don't think they will officially "separate" them. nothing like that is going to be done now at this stage. eva needs to learn that behaviour is unacceptable. trust me, there is no bond between margaret and eva. eva doesn't care one bit for her. if she did, she would have been so happy to see that I was looking after her auntie, and that she had a warm friendship with somebody. that alone would have made her happy to have me visit always, despite her dark secrets and fears. her aunt's happiness and well being would have been number one. margaret is so lost in her own world of memories and thoughts. her feeling for eva is not really emotional, it's a confusion/obligation feeling |
I didn't think eva had any feelings towards margaret. that's been obvious from post one. chances are margaret has some emotional connection with the idea of eva, even if there's no real connection between the two people. I'm glad they won't be separated yet, but eva may just up and leave as a result of all this. that's her choice. I suspect margaret will be abandoned by someone she holds dear in some form or another. this is such a terrible thing for her. again, it's good she has the social worker there for support. I just hope that is enough, because I doubt eva will agree to stick around much longer.
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today I went out for lunch with the volunteer coordinator. she is really horrified by everything and she said this sort of thing has never happened in the whole ten years she has been doing her job. she said my email made her cry. she said she spoke to the lady (social worker) at the holocaust centre immediately to warn her about eva and check on the house. she also sent a copy of my email to the social worker at the holocaust centre. this lady was also horrified and said that that's no way to treat a volunteer.
today, although I was very subtle about everything, but I gave the account, the volunteer coordinator realised that eva is guilty of fraud and has been manipulating margaret. she is going to tell the lady at holocaust centre about this. don't worry, next week please G-d the social worker is going to the house. when she spoke to eva (after having been called by the volunteer coordinator and after reading my email), she said to eva, where is the girl who used to come and visit, how come she does not come anymore? eva replied, we needed the keys back. the lady from the holocaust centre then told the volunteer coordinator what she said, who replied to her that's rubbish. of course we know the real reason.
apparently margaret's condition is serious and she is in and out of hospice.
so as I said next week the social worker is going to visit the house. as soon as my volunteer coordinator hears from her, she's going to call me. she said to me that she is going to try and arrange for me to say goodbye to margaret. |
op, I'm glad you'll get to say goodbye to margaret. do you know what's going to happen next? I hope margaret comes through this ok... |
I hope I'll see her, please G-d, what's going to happen, I don't know because she said she is waiting for the social worker from the holocaust centre to call her, who's please G-d going next week to the house. this woman knows everything now about what went on, with regard to the way she manipulated margaret and cut me out of her life and now how she was committing fraud. eva will probably get her comeuppance.don't worry, both these two ladies are looking out for margaret she told me today she has an obligation to do that, and, she's worried about how she's being treated by eva. once my volunteer coordinator has been called by the social worker, she will call me back to let me know what's happening. that's how we left it today.
she told me not to call the house. she said to me me to not do anything until I call her.
I just hope she is not being mistreated and hopefully the situation will at least end a little better than I thought, with the way our relationship has been left on such a bad note. I am sure this upsets margaret too and I just don't want her to be feeling any sadness/guilt |
this is what I was afraid of. hopefully margaret will be ok, but separation from eva may have serious psychological ramifications. I'm glad there's a social worker involved, hopefully they'll be able to help her through this. poor margaret  |
noo, don't worry. I don't think they will officially "separate" them. nothing like that is going to be done now at this stage. eva needs to learn that behaviour is unacceptable. trust me, there is no bond between margaret and eva. eva doesn't care one bit for her. if she did, she would have been so happy to see that I was looking after her auntie, and that she had a warm friendship with somebody. that alone would have made her happy to have me visit always, despite her dark secrets and fears. her aunt's happiness and well being would have been number one. margaret is so lost in her own world of memories and thoughts. her feeling for eva is not really emotional, it's a confusion/obligation feeling |
I didn't think eva had any feelings towards margaret. that's been obvious from post one. chances are margaret has some emotional connection with the idea of eva, even if there's no real connection between the two people. I'm glad they won't be separated yet, but eva may just up and leave as a result of all this. that's her choice. I suspect margaret will be abandoned by someone she holds dear in some form or another. this is such a terrible thing for her. again, it's good she has the social worker there for support. I just hope that is enough, because I doubt eva will agree to stick around much longer. |
I don't know what will happen, but at least she would be in better care. losing an idea of someone is not nearly as painful as losing a true loved one. she may be a little confused by eva. do you think she has thought about me - maybe confused as to why eva told her I can't come anymore? she doesn't really understand "legal" things. if eva leaves, the holocaust centre will make sure margaret is cared for.
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today I went out for lunch with the volunteer coordinator. she is really horrified by everything and she said this sort of thing has never happened in the whole ten years she has been doing her job. she said my email made her cry. she said she spoke to the lady (social worker) at the holocaust centre immediately to warn her about eva and check on the house. she also sent a copy of my email to the social worker at the holocaust centre. this lady was also horrified and said that that's no way to treat a volunteer.
today, although I was very subtle about everything, but I gave the account, the volunteer coordinator realised that eva is guilty of fraud and has been manipulating margaret. she is going to tell the lady at holocaust centre about this. don't worry, next week please G-d the social worker is going to the house. when she spoke to eva (after having been called by the volunteer coordinator and after reading my email), she said to eva, where is the girl who used to come and visit, how come she does not come anymore? eva replied, we needed the keys back. the lady from the holocaust centre then told the volunteer coordinator what she said, who replied to her that's rubbish. of course we know the real reason.
apparently margaret's condition is serious and she is in and out of hospice.
so as I said next week the social worker is going to visit the house. as soon as my volunteer coordinator hears from her, she's going to call me. she said to me that she is going to try and arrange for me to say goodbye to margaret. |
op, I'm glad you'll get to say goodbye to margaret. do you know what's going to happen next? I hope margaret comes through this ok... |
I hope I'll see her, please G-d, what's going to happen, I don't know because she said she is waiting for the social worker from the holocaust centre to call her, who's please G-d going next week to the house. this woman knows everything now about what went on, with regard to the way she manipulated margaret and cut me out of her life and now how she was committing fraud. eva will probably get her comeuppance.don't worry, both these two ladies are looking out for margaret she told me today she has an obligation to do that, and, she's worried about how she's being treated by eva. once my volunteer coordinator has been called by the social worker, she will call me back to let me know what's happening. that's how we left it today.
she told me not to call the house. she said to me me to not do anything until I call her.
I just hope she is not being mistreated and hopefully the situation will at least end a little better than I thought, with the way our relationship has been left on such a bad note. I am sure this upsets margaret too and I just don't want her to be feeling any sadness/guilt |
this is what I was afraid of. hopefully margaret will be ok, but separation from eva may have serious psychological ramifications. I'm glad there's a social worker involved, hopefully they'll be able to help her through this. poor margaret  |
noo, don't worry. I don't think they will officially "separate" them. nothing like that is going to be done now at this stage. eva needs to learn that behaviour is unacceptable. trust me, there is no bond between margaret and eva. eva doesn't care one bit for her. if she did, she would have been so happy to see that I was looking after her auntie, and that she had a warm friendship with somebody. that alone would have made her happy to have me visit always, despite her dark secrets and fears. her aunt's happiness and well being would have been number one. margaret is so lost in her own world of memories and thoughts. her feeling for eva is not really emotional, it's a confusion/obligation feeling |
I didn't think eva had any feelings towards margaret. that's been obvious from post one. chances are margaret has some emotional connection with the idea of eva, even if there's no real connection between the two people. I'm glad they won't be separated yet, but eva may just up and leave as a result of all this. that's her choice. I suspect margaret will be abandoned by someone she holds dear in some form or another. this is such a terrible thing for her. again, it's good she has the social worker there for support. I just hope that is enough, because I doubt eva will agree to stick around much longer. |
I don't know what will happen, but at least she would be in better care. losing an idea of someone is not nearly as painful as losing a true loved one. she may be a little confused by eva. do you think she has thought about me - maybe confused as to why eva told her I can't come anymore? she doesn't really understand "legal" things. if eva leaves, the holocaust centre will make sure margaret is cared for. |
amother, losing the idea is sometimes more painful. and for a woman of that age, it could really unhinge her, even if she seemed to be completely "there" until now. true, she would have better care, but that doesn't replace the idea of family. I hope your assumptions are true, though.
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Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2012, 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: re: Should I report my unpleasant experience to her (lon |
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| amother wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | | amother wrote: | hey, just an update on what happened with my situation
today I went out for lunch with the volunteer coordinator. she is really horrified by everything and she said this sort of thing has never happened in the whole ten years she has been doing her job. she said my email made her cry. she said she spoke to the lady (social worker) at the holocaust centre immediately to warn her about eva and check on the house. she also sent a copy of my email to the social worker at the holocaust centre. this lady was also horrified and said that that's no way to treat a volunteer.
today, although I was very subtle about everything, but I gave the account, the volunteer coordinator realised that eva is guilty of fraud and has been manipulating margaret. she is going to tell the lady at holocaust centre about this. don't worry, next week please G-d the social worker is going to the house. when she spoke to eva (after having been called by the volunteer coordinator and after reading my email), she said to eva, where is the girl who used to come and visit, how come she does not come anymore? eva replied, we needed the keys back. the lady from the holocaust centre then told the volunteer coordinator what she said, who replied to her that's rubbish. of course we know the real reason.
apparently margaret's condition is serious and she is in and out of hospice.
so as I said next week the social worker is going to visit the house. as soon as my volunteer coordinator hears from her, she's going to call me. she said to me that she is going to try and arrange for me to say goodbye to margaret. |
op, I'm glad you'll get to say goodbye to margaret. do you know what's going to happen next? I hope margaret comes through this ok... |
I hope I'll see her, please G-d, what's going to happen, I don't know because she said she is waiting for the social worker from the holocaust centre to call her, who's please G-d going next week to the house. this woman knows everything now about what went on, with regard to the way she manipulated margaret and cut me out of her life and now how she was committing fraud. eva will probably get her comeuppance.don't worry, both these two ladies are looking out for margaret she told me today she has an obligation to do that, and, she's worried about how she's being treated by eva. once my volunteer coordinator has been called by the social worker, she will call me back to let me know what's happening. that's how we left it today.
she told me not to call the house. she said to me me to not do anything until I call her.
I just hope she is not being mistreated and hopefully the situation will at least end a little better than I thought, with the way our relationship has been left on such a bad note. I am sure this upsets margaret too and I just don't want her to be feeling any sadness/guilt |
this is what I was afraid of. hopefully margaret will be ok, but separation from eva may have serious psychological ramifications. I'm glad there's a social worker involved, hopefully they'll be able to help her through this. poor margaret  |
noo, don't worry. I don't think they will officially "separate" them. nothing like that is going to be done now at this stage. eva needs to learn that behaviour is unacceptable. trust me, there is no bond between margaret and eva. eva doesn't care one bit for her. if she did, she would have been so happy to see that I was looking after her auntie, and that she had a warm friendship with somebody. that alone would have made her happy to have me visit always, despite her dark secrets and fears. her aunt's happiness and well being would have been number one. margaret is so lost in her own world of memories and thoughts. her feeling for eva is not really emotional, it's a confusion/obligation feeling |
I didn't think eva had any feelings towards margaret. that's been obvious from post one. chances are margaret has some emotional connection with the idea of eva, even if there's no real connection between the two people. I'm glad they won't be separated yet, but eva may just up and leave as a result of all this. that's her choice. I suspect margaret will be abandoned by someone she holds dear in some form or another. this is such a terrible thing for her. again, it's good she has the social worker there for support. I just hope that is enough, because I doubt eva will agree to stick around much longer. |
I don't know what will happen, but at least she would be in better care. losing an idea of someone is not nearly as painful as losing a true loved one. she may be a little confused by eva. do you think she has thought about me - maybe confused as to why eva told her I can't come anymore? she doesn't really understand "legal" things. if eva leaves, the holocaust centre will make sure margaret is cared for. |
amother, losing the idea is sometimes more painful. and for a woman of that age, it could really unhinge her, even if she seemed to be completely "there" until now. true, she would have better care, but that doesn't replace the idea of family. I hope your assumptions are true, though.
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