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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 2:07 pm Post subject: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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My kitchen has a dinette nook, but I specifically didn't put a table there. Why? Because in my house, any flat, empty surface becomes a dumping ground for everyone's junk. Everything from old school projects to junk mail to laundry baskets seems to light on a dinette table unless Mom is there to police it.
I'm also not a fan of dinette tables because I associate them with the "Mom's Diner" style of food preparation and service. This is where everyone eats in different shifts and Mom stands in the kitchen, preparing, serving, and nibbling her meal as she works. I can see where a dinette table might be convenient for breakfast or snacks, but dinner means setting the table, serving the food, and sitting down like mentchen.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 2:29 pm Post subject: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| ruchel, there is a fridge magnet saying " no matter where I serve my guests they like the kitchen best" or something to that effect.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 2:33 pm Post subject: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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Look, just because its been "done" doesn't mean that its right. Some of our grandmothers didn't cover their hair, and we all know that they're in gehinom with boiling oil being poured over their heads. And some didn't have three ovens and, well, let's not even think about what Hashem is stuffing into THEIR faces right now.
We know better now. Its completely disrespectful of Shabbat to use the same table that you use during the week for your cornflakes. Would you serve Kate Middleton there? Yes? Oh, sorry. Well, then what about Queen Elizabeth? If you cannot afford a home that accommodates these tables, then you need to borrow the money. Or inform your kids' schools that you can't pay them until you buy a new house and furniture. They'll understand. _________________ "I dig every second
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 2:37 pm Post subject: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| We use our dining room table during the week when we have too many people to sit by our kitchen table. We also used it when our kitchen was being renovated and when our kitchen table broke. I DO NOT like using our dining room table during the week because then I have to clean it off every day. The dining room table is where everyone throws their things when they come home and where I keep all my sewing things when I'm in middle of a project.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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I EDITED TO MAKE IT CLEARER
| Barbara wrote: | Look, just because its been "done" doesn't mean that its right. Some of our grandmothers didn't cover their hair, and we all know that they're in gehinom with boiling oil being poured over their heads. And some didn't have three ovens and, well, let's not even think about what Hashem is stuffing into THEIR faces right now.
We know better now. Its completely disrespectful of Shabbat to use the same table that you use during the week for your cornflakes. Would you serve Kate Middleton there? Yes? Oh, sorry. Well, then what about Queen Elizabeth? If you cannot afford a home that accommodates these tables, then you need to borrow the money. Or inform your kids' schools that you can't pay them until you buy a new house and furniture. They'll understand. |
I dont understand that, and if that is the case, then I assume you are joking
and no, I dont hold of borrowing money for that (at one end of the spectrum(of reasons) it is hiddur mitsva, lekovos shabbos, and going through a range of other possibilities(practicality is one), the wide range ends at calling it ''hiddur mitsva'' when it is really something else.(which to me is in other words narishkeit).)
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| Barbara wrote: | Look, just because its been "done" doesn't mean that its right. Some of our grandmothers didn't cover their hair, and we all know that they're in gehinom with boiling oil being poured over their heads. And some didn't have three ovens and, well, let's not even think about what Hashem is stuffing into THEIR faces right now.
We know better now. Its completely disrespectful of Shabbat to use the same table that you use during the week for your cornflakes. Would you serve Kate Middleton there? Yes? Oh, sorry. Well, then what about Queen Elizabeth? If you cannot afford a home that accommodates these tables, then you need to borrow the money. Or inform your kids' schools that you can't pay them until you buy a new house and furniture. They'll understand. |
We don't have a kitchen table but we are so uncouth that we often eat at the coffee table, sitting on our couch, during the week. Because it's in front of the computer, so I can surf Imamother while I eat. Of course, since I can't do that on Shabbos, we eat in the dining room then  _________________
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 2:44 pm Post subject: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| I'm going to try to answer your question and offer a guess that the poster was referring to this thread. It's not nearly as dramatic as it sounds, sorry.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| Ruchel wrote: | I am wondering something.
My parents' house have a big enough kitchen for a table. Still I don't remember ever eating there. My parents are very casual but eating in the kitchen was just something very grandmotherly, or unpleasant, in our mind. The noise and heat of the machines and cooking, etc.
Do many people enjoy eating in the kitchen? |
Wasn't there a kitchen table convo not too long ago? With pictures?
In the US, modern suburban homes often have eat-in kitchens which are pleasant and spacious. It is considered normal for families to eat there. With fairly new appliances, I find mine doesn't really heat up from cooking (well-insulated oven, ventilated stove).
I grew up in a house with an eat-in kitchen. We always ate there, as a family, except on Shabbat/YT and for company or family gatherings.
As an adult, I also have a house with an eat-in kitchen. We always eat there, even on Shabbat, unless we have guests. Perhaps it is less Shabbos-dik to some, but it works for us as a family.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| goodmorning wrote: | | I'm going to try to answer your question and offer a guess that the poster was referring to this thread. It's not nearly as dramatic as it sounds, sorry. |
thank you for the link
its interesting to learn different ways of living.
I really appreciate it
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:16 pm Post subject: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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We eat in the kitchen during the week and in the dining room on Shabbos, but by no means is the dining room table exclusively the "Shabbos Table". During the week it's a sort of catch-all space; you know, mail, shopping bags, etc.
Oh and by the way, now in the summer, we sometimes eat the Shabbos meal in the kitchen (gasp!) since our dining room has no air conditioner
Where does that place us? _________________ "To err is human. To blame it on a computer is even more so."
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| onlyme wrote: | We eat in the kitchen during the week and in the dining room on Shabbos, but by no means is the dining room table exclusively the "Shabbos Table". During the week it's a sort of catch-all space; you know, mail, shopping bags, etc.
Oh and by the way, now in the summer, we sometimes eat the Shabbos meal in the kitchen (gasp!) since our dining room has no air conditioner
Where does that place us? |
I cannot talk to you.
Your children may not marry mine.
I will daven for you to come back on the derech.
Don't tell anyone...we have only one table, shabbos and weekday...but I'm keeping that a secret because I want to do good shidduchim for my kids...shhhh... _________________ "Fairy tales are more than true; not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten."
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| enneamom wrote: | | onlyme wrote: | We eat in the kitchen during the week and in the dining room on Shabbos, but by no means is the dining room table exclusively the "Shabbos Table". During the week it's a sort of catch-all space; you know, mail, shopping bags, etc.
Oh and by the way, now in the summer, we sometimes eat the Shabbos meal in the kitchen (gasp!) since our dining room has no air conditioner
Where does that place us? |
I cannot talk to you.
Your children may not marry mine.
I will daven for you to come back on the derech.
Don't tell anyone...we have only one table, shabbos and weekday...but I'm keeping that a secret because I want to do good shidduchim for my kids...shhhh... |
Can you instead donate an air conditioner for our dining room? It's for a very good cause. The neshamos of an entire Jewish family are at stake!
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| tsiggelle wrote: | | Barbara wrote: | Look, just because its been "done" doesn't mean that its right. Some of our grandmothers didn't cover their hair, and we all know that they're in gehinom with boiling oil being poured over their heads. And some didn't have three ovens and, well, let's not even think about what Hashem is stuffing into THEIR faces right now.
We know better now. Its completely disrespectful of Shabbat to use the same table that you use during the week for your cornflakes. Would you serve Kate Middleton there? Yes? Oh, sorry. Well, then what about Queen Elizabeth? If you cannot afford a home that accommodates these tables, then you need to borrow the money. Or inform your kids' schools that you can't pay them until you buy a new house and furniture. They'll understand. |
I dont understand that, and if that is the case, then I assume you are joking
and no, I dont hold of borrowing money for that (its a hiddur mitsva at best, and narishkeit at worst) |
Nothing is wrong with using the same table all week. I do think something is wrong with calling kavod Shabbos "narishkeit."
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| onlyme wrote: | | enneamom wrote: | | onlyme wrote: | We eat in the kitchen during the week and in the dining room on Shabbos, but by no means is the dining room table exclusively the "Shabbos Table". During the week it's a sort of catch-all space; you know, mail, shopping bags, etc.
Oh and by the way, now in the summer, we sometimes eat the Shabbos meal in the kitchen (gasp!) since our dining room has no air conditioner
Where does that place us? |
I cannot talk to you.
Your children may not marry mine.
I will daven for you to come back on the derech.
Don't tell anyone...we have only one table, shabbos and weekday...but I'm keeping that a secret because I want to do good shidduchim for my kids...shhhh... |
Can you instead donate an air conditioner for our dining room? It's for a very good cause. The neshamos of an entire Jewish family are at stake! |
Sorry, I only give to tzedakos that are approved by MY rav, and I highly doubt he would give his stamp to a family with such dubious practices.
Besides, we are saving up to buy an apartement with separate tables for each of our children iy"H.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| MaBelleVie wrote: | | tsiggelle wrote: | | Barbara wrote: | Look, just because its been "done" doesn't mean that its right. Some of our grandmothers didn't cover their hair, and we all know that they're in gehinom with boiling oil being poured over their heads. And some didn't have three ovens and, well, let's not even think about what Hashem is stuffing into THEIR faces right now.
We know better now. Its completely disrespectful of Shabbat to use the same table that you use during the week for your cornflakes. Would you serve Kate Middleton there? Yes? Oh, sorry. Well, then what about Queen Elizabeth? If you cannot afford a home that accommodates these tables, then you need to borrow the money. Or inform your kids' schools that you can't pay them until you buy a new house and furniture. They'll understand. |
I dont understand that, and if that is the case, then I assume you are joking
and no, I dont hold of borrowing money for that (its a hiddur mitsva at best, and narishkeit at worst) |
Nothing is wrong with using the same table all week. I do think something is wrong with calling kavod Shabbos "narishkeit." |
if it is for kavod shabbos, then as I said its hiddur mitsva
but if it is for other reasons, then at worst its a narishkeit. like other things that are "officially" for " hiddur mitsva" and really nothing of the sort.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:48 pm Post subject: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| Anything you do special for shabbos is Kavod Shabbos. I don't understand what the question is.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| kb wrote: | | Anything you do special for shabbos is Kavod Shabbos. I don't understand what the question is. |
I was talking about the " thats just the way it is, the way its done, and the way it should be done".
I got my answers already, and thanks again to goodmorning for the link
I must say, imamother is very educational! thanks Yael
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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| tsiggelle wrote: | | MaBelleVie wrote: | | tsiggelle wrote: | | Barbara wrote: | Look, just because its been "done" doesn't mean that its right. Some of our grandmothers didn't cover their hair, and we all know that they're in gehinom with boiling oil being poured over their heads. And some didn't have three ovens and, well, let's not even think about what Hashem is stuffing into THEIR faces right now.
We know better now. Its completely disrespectful of Shabbat to use the same table that you use during the week for your cornflakes. Would you serve Kate Middleton there? Yes? Oh, sorry. Well, then what about Queen Elizabeth? If you cannot afford a home that accommodates these tables, then you need to borrow the money. Or inform your kids' schools that you can't pay them until you buy a new house and furniture. They'll understand. |
I dont understand that, and if that is the case, then I assume you are joking
and no, I dont hold of borrowing money for that (its a hiddur mitsva at best, and narishkeit at worst) |
Nothing is wrong with using the same table all week. I do think something is wrong with calling kavod Shabbos "narishkeit." |
if it is for kavod shabbos, then as I said its hiddur mitsva
but if it is for other reasons, then at worst its a narishkeit. like other things that are "officially" for " hiddur mitsva" and really nothing of the sort. |
What other reasons were mentioned?
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:51 pm Post subject: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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I have a Shabbos apartment. And a Pesach apartment.
NOT.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 03 2012, 3:52 pm Post subject: re: same table for shabbos and weekday, anything wrong? |
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practicality for one.
read the link
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