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I am very sad over the new pictures of matisyahu. I feel horrible playng his music to my kids knowing that he has no peyos anymore.Does he still keep shabbos? is he still married?
If someone knows I would really appreciate it because it would let me know if I should continue to listen to his music.
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| Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2012, 2:27 pm Post subject: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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Just curious, but why would it matter if he no longer is frum? Why would that affect whether or not you could listen to his music? Do you know for 100% certain that every singer or musician you play at home is shomer Shabbos? If you like the music and the lyrics comport with your hashkafa, I guess I don't understand why you'd have to stop playing the music you have already bought because the musician now has a crisis of faith.
(I have absolutely no idea whether or not Matisyahu is completely secular now or not.)
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| Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2012, 3:25 pm Post subject: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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He's married.
Feeling better now? 
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| Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2012, 3:40 pm Post subject: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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I heard an interview where he said that he's growing in his yiddishkeit and away form chassidus but not away form frumkeit.
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| Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2012, 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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| grin wrote: | | I heard an interview where he said that he's growing in his yiddishkeit and away form chassidus but not away form frumkeit. |
Was this before or after his no kippah picture with Wiz Khalifa, who seemed to be smoking a joint?
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| Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2012, 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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| grin wrote: | | I heard an interview where he said that he's growing in his yiddishkeit and away form chassidus but not away form frumkeit. |
Was this before or after he chose to have a July 28 concert... which is a Shabbat AND the Hebrew date? 9 Av.
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 1:04 am Post subject: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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very interesting interview from last month.
| Quote: | You’ve achieved note worthy success at a very young age and that’s what everyone in this room is hoping to do, and hopefully each and every one of us will be able to do that to some measure, but you can give us first hand advice what to do once you reach your dreams. How do you keep the fire alive? How do you keep going so you don’t feel like everything else is less than?
Well I’ve always had that problem of getting caught up in wanting to feel more, wanting more. I’m a greedy ass bastard. If I’m famous, I’m not famous enough. If I have some success, it’s not enough success. The grass is always greener and right now I’m working on trying to come to terms with day to day enjoying life, ya know what I mean? Because it’s so easy to get caught up in wanting to be successful and your dreams and wanting to be driven and um, I’m now just starting to figure out sometimes trying to get too much doesn’t do anything for you it just takes away.
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What happened to your beard?
Oh it’s gone. It’ll be back. It comes and goes. Shaving kinda sucks. The beard, just time for a change. Ten years I had that beard. I had that beard all of my 20s. Those are good face years. I’ve thought that for a long time but I’ve never said that. I miss it a little bit but there’s good things and bad things about beards. |
The rest of the interview sounds like he's all over the place. 
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 1:42 am Post subject: Re: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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| YESHASettler wrote: | | grin wrote: | | I heard an interview where he said that he's growing in his yiddishkeit and away form chassidus but not away form frumkeit. |
Was this before or after he chose to have a July 28 concert... which is a Shabbat AND the Hebrew date? 9 Av. |
Easy. Could be he's playing after Shabbos (a quick glance at his tour schedule showed he has almost every Saturday booked but NO Fridays. My guess is he's playing after dark. And, Tisha B'Av is Shabbos this year so obv the fast is pushed off. I don't know, but is it possible he got a heter to play on a pushed-off fast day? I think it's possible.
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| Shalshelet wrote: | very interesting interview from last month.
| Quote: | You’ve achieved note worthy success at a very young age and that’s what everyone in this room is hoping to do, and hopefully each and every one of us will be able to do that to some measure, but you can give us first hand advice what to do once you reach your dreams. How do you keep the fire alive? How do you keep going so you don’t feel like everything else is less than?
Well I’ve always had that problem of getting caught up in wanting to feel more, wanting more. I’m a greedy ass bastard. If I’m famous, I’m not famous enough. If I have some success, it’s not enough success. The grass is always greener and right now I’m working on trying to come to terms with day to day enjoying life, ya know what I mean? Because it’s so easy to get caught up in wanting to be successful and your dreams and wanting to be driven and um, I’m now just starting to figure out sometimes trying to get too much doesn’t do anything for you it just takes away.
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What happened to your beard?
Oh it’s gone. It’ll be back. It comes and goes. Shaving kinda sucks. The beard, just time for a change. Ten years I had that beard. I had that beard all of my 20s. Those are good face years. I’ve thought that for a long time but I’ve never said that. I miss it a little bit but there’s good things and bad things about beards. |
The rest of the interview sounds like he's all over the place. |
Who can blame him? He made a major life choice at a young age that has a very public image associated with it. He's entitled to his crises of faith and he's entitled to search however he wants - without our judgement.
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 2:02 am Post subject: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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| turca wrote: | | This thread is ridiculous | I completely agree.
Let the guy live, however that may be, in peace. And let him grow into frumkeit if he wishes to and let him become secualr if that is what he wishes. It is none of our business.
And to the OP, if you like his music, then why does any of this matter?
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 2:18 am Post subject: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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uhmm I guess that interview was before all this - I must admit I never liked his music anyhow and don't exactly follow what he's up to.
it sounds unfortunate - for his sake and well as for his groupies - iyh he'll do real teshuva someday soon.
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 3:18 am Post subject: Re: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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| bamamama wrote: | | YESHASettler wrote: | | grin wrote: | | I heard an interview where he said that he's growing in his yiddishkeit and away form chassidus but not away form frumkeit. |
Was this before or after he chose to have a July 28 concert... which is a Shabbat AND the Hebrew date? 9 Av. |
Easy. Could be he's playing after Shabbos (a quick glance at his tour schedule showed he has almost every Saturday booked but NO Fridays. My guess is he's playing after dark. And, Tisha B'Av is Shabbos this year so obv the fast is pushed off. I don't know, but is it possible he got a heter to play on a pushed-off fast day? I think it's possible. |
Are you for real? A heter for giving a concert on Tisha B'Av because it's pushed off???? 
And I agree this thread is ridiculous. I never heard his music so I don't even know what it's like. If you feel his music is good for your neshama, so listen, and if it isn't - don't. Do you know the higher kavannas of MBD or Avraham Fried when they sang their songs? I never heard being frum (how frum?) is a measure of whether we should listen to music. What about classical music which was composed by non jews?
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| shalhevet wrote: | | bamamama wrote: | | YESHASettler wrote: | | grin wrote: | | I heard an interview where he said that he's growing in his yiddishkeit and away form chassidus but not away form frumkeit. |
Was this before or after he chose to have a July 28 concert... which is a Shabbat AND the Hebrew date? 9 Av. |
Easy. Could be he's playing after Shabbos (a quick glance at his tour schedule showed he has almost every Saturday booked but NO Fridays. My guess is he's playing after dark. And, Tisha B'Av is Shabbos this year so obv the fast is pushed off. I don't know, but is it possible he got a heter to play on a pushed-off fast day? I think it's possible. |
Are you for real? A heter for giving a concert on Tisha B'Av because it's pushed off????
And I agree this thread is ridiculous. I never heard his music so I don't even know what it's like. If you feel his music is good for your neshama, so listen, and if it isn't - don't. Do you know the higher kavannas of MBD or Avraham Fried when they sang their songs? I never heard being frum (how frum?) is a measure of whether we should listen to music. What about classical music which was composed by non jews? |
Some chassidim are makpid to only listen to niggunim for these reasons.
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 5:19 am Post subject: Re: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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| shalhevet wrote: | | bamamama wrote: | | YESHASettler wrote: | | grin wrote: | | I heard an interview where he said that he's growing in his yiddishkeit and away form chassidus but not away form frumkeit. |
Was this before or after he chose to have a July 28 concert... which is a Shabbat AND the Hebrew date? 9 Av. |
Easy. Could be he's playing after Shabbos (a quick glance at his tour schedule showed he has almost every Saturday booked but NO Fridays. My guess is he's playing after dark. And, Tisha B'Av is Shabbos this year so obv the fast is pushed off. I don't know, but is it possible he got a heter to play on a pushed-off fast day? I think it's possible. |
Are you for real? A heter for giving a concert on Tisha B'Av because it's pushed off????
And I agree this thread is ridiculous. I never heard his music so I don't even know what it's like. If you feel his music is good for your neshama, so listen, and if it isn't - don't. Do you know the higher kavannas of MBD or Avraham Fried when they sang their songs? I never heard being frum (how frum?) is a measure of whether we should listen to music. What about classical music which was composed by non jews? |
A long time ago matisyahu played a concert in my city during sefira. Since it his parnasah he was allowed to. (almost no Jewish people and certainly no frum people attended the concert) It was on Motzei shabbos about midnight, seems that is a normal time for that type of concert.
But I can't imagine anyone playing a concert on tisha ba'av. Thats just weird.
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Hi,
I also agree that whatever one chooses is their decision. I only let my kids listen to Jewish music-not music made by Jews, but Jewish themed music. There is a lot of that in Matisyahu's music.
But I wouldn't put on a tape of the beasty boys (even if I decide I like their music) for my kids even though they are Jewish because their music is not Jewish inclined.
I just saw all this stuff about him and I was wondering if he is totally off or if I can continue letting my kids listen to him without the mothers guilt kicking in.
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I play any clean (or non understandable unclean  )music, but if the singer or musician is too bad it turns me off. Non Jew/non frum doesn't bother me, but a frum pop role model turned frei, does bother me.
I also wouldn't keep a book from a Nazi or active antisemite.
My Shoah survivor saba disagrees and listens to Wagner, because he likes the music. I wouldn't.
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according to chassidus, the chamber of negina is in a very high place in shamayim and music has a strong influence on your neshama. also, the composer's own heart and neshama are within his music, so your neshama is getting direct influence as it were from his - therefore the concern to listen only to kosher music, that composed by Torah-true Jews.
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 10:58 am Post subject: Re: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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| grin wrote: | | according to chassidus, the chamber of negina is in a very high place in shamayim and music has a strong influence on your neshama. also, the composer's own heart and neshama are insdie his music, so your neshama is getting direct influence as it were from his - therefore the concern to listen only to kosher music, that composed by Torah-true Jews. |
OK, I have a question then. I can understand this - music definitely has a hashpa'a on our neshamas. Does this mean only music which great tzaddikim composed? Or does it include what is now called 'chassidic' music? Because, without naming names, some of the composers/ singers may be very nice and shomer Shabbos but I don't think they are all exactly tzaddikim and/or they have much more in mind than making lots of money from their new hit.
And I know zero about Matisyahu and/or his music. But if he was playing/singing music which was easily transferable to the secular world, then how Jewish was it in the first place, even if he is/was shomer Shabbos at that point?
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 11:03 am Post subject: Re: re: is Matisyahu completly secular? |
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| shalhevet wrote: | | grin wrote: | | according to chassidus, the chamber of negina is in a very high place in shamayim and music has a strong influence on your neshama. also, the composer's own heart and neshama are insdie his music, so your neshama is getting direct influence as it were from his - therefore the concern to listen only to kosher music, that composed by Torah-true Jews. |
OK, I have a question then. I can understand this - music definitely has a hashpa'a on our neshamas. Does this mean only music which great tzaddikim composed? Or does it include what is now called 'chassidic' music? Because, without naming names, some of the composers/ singers may be very nice and shomer Shabbos but I don't think they are all exactly tzaddikim and/or they have much more in mind than making lots of money from their new hit.
And I know zero about Matisyahu and/or his music. But if he was playing/singing music which was easily transferable to the secular world, then how Jewish was it in the first place, even if he is/was shomer Shabbos at that point? |
Even before this point, Matisyahu's music was considered questionable and pushing the limits by the very yeshivish crowd.
I did used to allow my kids to listen if it happens to come up, by I now have similar reservations to the OP.
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