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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| Barbara wrote: | | Raisin wrote: | | Barbara wrote: | | MommyZ wrote: |  |
Why?
What purpose would jail time serve for her? Community service and a very hefty judgment are better. |
discouragement to other drivers not to text while driving? But I think she's been punished enough myself.
(after killing someone, what could be worse)
I hope she apolagised to the victims family. |
If I believed that it would have an effect on other drivers, I might agree. But I don't, esp not teens.
I'm just not a great believer in the efficacy of prisons for many things. Here, wouldn't society be better served by having her perform community service, to benefit people, maybe even speak to teens about texting while driving. I would have preferred to see more hours required of her, though. |
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 4:24 pm Post subject: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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Jailing her probably wouldn't help, but jail doesn't help in general, except in cases of violent criminals who pose a threat (and even there it's weird, since they do still go free eventually). It's supposed to be a deterrent.
Without more details I think it's hard to say whether the punishment is light or not.
Maybe the judge thought she had reason to not be aware of the dangers of texting and driving (given that it happened a couple of years ago, possibly before campaigns to raise awareness of the dangers).
Maybe it had to do with the fact that he was on a scooter - no disrespect meant to the right of people to not be run over regardless of vehicle choice, but it would take a much lower degree of negligence to kill someone on a scooter than in a normal traffic accident. It could be she basically lightly rear-ended the driver ahead at a slow speed, which isn't an offense normally punished by jail time.
I think a payment for the victim's family would be appropriate.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 4:29 pm Post subject: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| I don't see this as much of a deterrent, if she got away with essentially a slap on the wrist after she killed a man.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 4:54 pm Post subject: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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I think her license should have been suspended. And I would not compare a teenager texting to a mother dealing with her kids. Obviously taking your eyes off the road is dangerous no matter what the reason but there is a difference in terms of the defense.
I really hope this guy has no mafia connections and that this girl gets major therapy. Having a death on your conscious is not something that is easily dealt with. _________________ "But it's no use going back to yesterday, I was a different person then"- Alice in Wonderland
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| MommyZ wrote: | | I don't see this as much of a deterrent, if she got away with essentially a slap on the wrist after she killed a man. |
The punishment should be based on her crime, not the result. At least in terms of deterrence, reparations is a different story.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 6:18 pm Post subject: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| Mommyz, you seem to think that the girl that texted deserves the worst, but the policeman that killed somebody, you blame it on simple human foibles.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| paprika wrote: | | Mommyz, you seem to think that the girl that texted deserves the worst, but the policeman that killed somebody, you blame it on simple human foibles. |
I noticed this too. MommyZ - do you think this girl or any of her family members, neighbors or friends would ever DARE to text while driving? And other teens not connected to her would not be deterred, whether she got jail time or not. That's teens for you.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 6:27 pm Post subject: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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Yes. Not to gang up, but I definitely think the policeman's behavior is completely apalling and much much worse than the girl. _________________ "Fairy tales are more than true; not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten."
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| enneamom wrote: | | Yes. Not to gang up, but I definitely think the policeman's behavior is completely apalling and much much worse than the girl. |
WADR, I don't think she said that. She said that police officers are human, some bad, some good. This guy fits neatly into the "bad" category.
Not that Mommy Z can't speak for herself ... _________________ "I dig every second
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| Barbara wrote: | She said that police officers are human, some bad, some good. This guy fits neatly into the "bad" category.
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....which is why I said what I said.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 7:04 pm Post subject: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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MommyZ can say for herself next time she logs on, but I didn't read it like she was defending the policeman more. I think she was saying that what happened wasn't somehow worse or a bigger deal just because a policeman was involved. It's awful and deserving of punishment no matter who is behind the wheel.
Speaking of punishment- I don't think deterrence is the issue here in terms of going to jail. She played fast and loose with safety and took someone's life as a result. The Torah punishes this conduct quite harshly, though not with jail time. In America, jail is the mode of punishment in these situations.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| morah wrote: | MommyZ can say for herself next time she logs on, but I didn't read it like she was defending the policeman more. I think she was saying that what happened wasn't somehow worse or a bigger deal just because a policeman was involved. It's awful and deserving of punishment no matter who is behind the wheel.
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The fact that the policeman got away with it didn't seem to disturb her barely as much as the girl that got a lesser punishment than mommyz thinks she deserves.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| ora_43 wrote: | (given that it happened a couple of years ago, possibly before campaigns to raise awareness of the dangers).
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 9:00 pm Post subject: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| Im sure she learned her lesson. imagine that was you- would you want to go to jail? or would you want community service. youd be sending her away for ten years! a lot of pple get off with a plea why is this different?
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| MommyZ wrote: | | I don't see this as much of a deterrent, if she got away with essentially a slap on the wrist after she killed a man. | The past couple of years for her were probably pure torture, not knowing what would happen with her life. That alone probably is enough to scare anyone who knows her...the probation and community service is just additional to prove a point that she is not going scot-free.
The whole story is so sad.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 9:27 pm Post subject: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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There isn't a doubt in my mind that what this girl did was accidental. No one goes into their car, and state that they want to hurt someone. It was an accident. I see that. But even if something hasn't "officially" been deemed dangerous or illegal, doesn't make this situation any better. Ignorance isn't a legitimate excuse. You have to use common sense. Texting while driving has always been dangerous. Even little kids knew/know this.
What makes her situation "worse" than other accidental deaths is that she was doing something that ultimately caused her to hit this person. She wasn't driving along on her merry way when another car ran a stop sign. That situation is out of her control. This one was within her control.
No matter how much bickering goes on here, there will still never be justice for the family. This man is dead, end of story. There's no amount of punishment in the world that can remedy that fact.
Think about the Victim, and his family's side of this. Imagine some random teenager who was texting when he crashed and C''V killed C''V someone dear to you.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 10:32 pm Post subject: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| I know a close friend of this girl. I believe that there's no proof that she was actively texting when she hit the man. As this girl is frum, although her (stupid) actions had incredibly tragic repercussions- the man DIED! it is still imperative to be dan lekaf zechus.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 12 2012, 11:22 pm Post subject: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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Although I am happy that a frum girl did not have to go to jail cuz jail is no place for a frum girl. This was also recently in the news... and it makes me think it just causes a lot more anti semitism that she got off scott free.
http://www.latimes.com/busines.....3342.story
This teen got jail time for texting while driving and his license revoked for 15 years even though no one was killed and he says he wasn't texting at the time of the accident...
Do you think he deserves it more??
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Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2012, 1:01 am Post subject: Re: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| Happy 2B wrote: | Although I am happy that a frum girl did not have to go to jail cuz jail is no place for a frum girl. This was also recently in the news... and it makes me think it just causes a lot more anti semitism that she got off scott free.
http://www.latimes.com/busines.....3342.story
This teen got jail time for texting while driving and his license revoked for 15 years even though no one was killed and he says he wasn't texting at the time of the accident...
Do you think he deserves it more?? |
He did kill someone, and he caused a much more serious crash. She rear-ended someone, he swerved across a dividing line and hit someone head-on.
I think that even if they'd done the exact same thing, it's not unusual for different judges to give different sentences, especially when there are various factors (remorse, etc) that we don't know. I really doubt that it will cause anti-Semitism. Maybe if the judge were a frum Jew, but the defendant isn't responsible for the verdict they get.
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Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2012, 1:25 am Post subject: Re: re: Woman Who Texted While Driving, Gets No Jail Time |
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| ora_43 wrote: | | Happy 2B wrote: | Although I am happy that a frum girl did not have to go to jail cuz jail is no place for a frum girl. This was also recently in the news... and it makes me think it just causes a lot more anti semitism that she got off scott free.
http://www.latimes.com/busines.....3342.story
This teen got jail time for texting while driving and his license revoked for 15 years even though no one was killed and he says he wasn't texting at the time of the accident...
Do you think he deserves it more?? |
He did kill someone, and he caused a much more serious crash. She rear-ended someone, he swerved across a dividing line and hit someone head-on.
I think that even if they'd done the exact same thing, it's not unusual for different judges to give different sentences, especially when there are various factors (remorse, etc) that we don't know. I really doubt that it will cause anti-Semitism. Maybe if the judge were a frum Jew, but the defendant isn't responsible for the verdict they get. | oh I apologize I thought no one was injured in this case. If that's the case then he got off light as well. Two different states. I don't think there is much comparison I just found it interesting them both being in the news so close together.
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