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Yes, I heard, and based on what they're advertising, I wonder where they're planning on putting the bassinettes?
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| Posted: Wed, May 30 2012, 12:21 pm Post subject: re: ELAL's latest..... |
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| 2 options, 1: they have fewer bassinets. (economy plus is only in the front of the plane). 2:bulkhead seats have been more expensive for a few years now, but people with children under 9 months get them for free. it is possible that will continue.
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| Marion wrote: | | Yes, I heard, and based on what they're advertising, I wonder where they're planning on putting the bassinettes? |
On the laps of the parents.
It is outrageous.
I had a 6 week old baby and after arguing at the check in desk for a long time (apparently, the fact that I paid 10% plus taxes for an infant seat wasn't enought to notify them that I actually had an infant and needed a bassinet. And obviously, daring to check in only 3 hours before the flight was too late for them to have held a bassinet seat even if I had 'reserved it'), I was finally giving a bulk head seat.
Except it was one without access to a bassinet.
And none of the other 'economy plus' passengers would switch with me.
It was horrific.
And it won't even help to boycott Elal because they are not the only airline doing it.
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| Posted: Wed, May 30 2012, 1:16 pm Post subject: re: ELAL's latest..... |
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| ally wrote: | | Marion wrote: | | Yes, I heard, and based on what they're advertising, I wonder where they're planning on putting the bassinettes? |
On the laps of the parents.
It is outrageous.
I had a 6 week old baby and after arguing at the check in desk for a long time (apparently, the fact that I paid 10% plus taxes for an infant seat wasn't enought to notify them that I actually had an infant and needed a bassinet. And obviously, daring to check in only 3 hours before the flight was too late for them to have held a bassinet seat even if I had 'reserved it'), I was finally giving a bulk head seat.
Except it was one without access to a bassinet.
And none of the other 'economy plus' passengers would switch with me.
It was horrific.
And it won't even help to boycott Elal because they are not the only airline doing it. |
You've never been "guaranteed" a bassinette. You can't reserve those seats, even with an infant ticket. It's one of the reasons I check in online as soon as it opens (24 hours before the flight). My question is whether I will be forced to pay extra for that seat or if it's still considered a bassinette seat and you MUST have an infant ticket to sit there.
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| Posted: Wed, May 30 2012, 1:26 pm Post subject: re: ELAL's latest..... |
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| Just as a side point. I have been "guaranteed" a bassinet. When DS was young enough for one, I got the tickets through a travel agent who got me the seats.
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| Posted: Wed, May 30 2012, 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: re: ELAL's latest..... |
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| ally wrote: | | Marion wrote: | | Yes, I heard, and based on what they're advertising, I wonder where they're planning on putting the bassinettes? |
On the laps of the parents.
It is outrageous.
I had a 6 week old baby and after arguing at the check in desk for a long time (apparently, the fact that I paid 10% plus taxes for an infant seat wasn't enought to notify them that I actually had an infant and needed a bassinet. And obviously, daring to check in only 3 hours before the flight was too late for them to have held a bassinet seat even if I had 'reserved it'), I was finally giving a bulk head seat.
Except it was one without access to a bassinet.
And none of the other 'economy plus' passengers would switch with me.
It was horrific.
And it won't even help to boycott Elal because they are not the only airline doing it. |
that would have happened on any airline. Some people (strangely) do not like to use the bassinet seats. As soon as you book the ticket with the infant taxes you have to call up any airline to reserve a bassinet and then confirm it again a week -24hours before the flight. The earlier the better!
Economy plus (as they have on many planes) will not take away the bulk head for bassinets. They will have the regular economy bulk head where 2 bassinets will be put and if someone wants a bassinet in economy plus they will have that too.
British Airways, virgin atlantic and continental have this too.
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| Marion wrote: | | ally wrote: | | Marion wrote: | | Yes, I heard, and based on what they're advertising, I wonder where they're planning on putting the bassinettes? |
On the laps of the parents.
It is outrageous.
I had a 6 week old baby and after arguing at the check in desk for a long time (apparently, the fact that I paid 10% plus taxes for an infant seat wasn't enought to notify them that I actually had an infant and needed a bassinet. And obviously, daring to check in only 3 hours before the flight was too late for them to have held a bassinet seat even if I had 'reserved it'), I was finally giving a bulk head seat.
Except it was one without access to a bassinet.
And none of the other 'economy plus' passengers would switch with me.
It was horrific.
And it won't even help to boycott Elal because they are not the only airline doing it. |
You've never been "guaranteed" a bassinette. You can't reserve those seats, even with an infant ticket. It's one of the reasons I check in online as soon as it opens (24 hours before the flight). My question is whether I will be forced to pay extra for that seat or if it's still considered a bassinette seat and you MUST have an infant ticket to sit there. |
If noone has reserved the seat they will sell it.
If you do not check in early enough, they will sell it.
If you do get it and have a baby, you don't have to pay extra.
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| Posted: Wed, May 30 2012, 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: re: ELAL's latest..... |
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| Marion wrote: | | ally wrote: | | Marion wrote: | | Yes, I heard, and based on what they're advertising, I wonder where they're planning on putting the bassinettes? |
On the laps of the parents.
It is outrageous.
I had a 6 week old baby and after arguing at the check in desk for a long time (apparently, the fact that I paid 10% plus taxes for an infant seat wasn't enought to notify them that I actually had an infant and needed a bassinet. And obviously, daring to check in only 3 hours before the flight was too late for them to have held a bassinet seat even if I had 'reserved it'), I was finally giving a bulk head seat.
Except it was one without access to a bassinet.
And none of the other 'economy plus' passengers would switch with me.
It was horrific.
And it won't even help to boycott Elal because they are not the only airline doing it. |
You've never been "guaranteed" a bassinette. You can't reserve those seats, even with an infant ticket. It's one of the reasons I check in online as soon as it opens (24 hours before the flight). My question is whether I will be forced to pay extra for that seat or if it's still considered a bassinette seat and you MUST have an infant ticket to sit there. |
I would like to know how you can check in online with an infant ticket. I have not been able to do it ever yet. It is sooo frustrating!
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| chocolate chips wrote: | | ally wrote: | | Marion wrote: | | Yes, I heard, and based on what they're advertising, I wonder where they're planning on putting the bassinettes? |
On the laps of the parents.
It is outrageous.
I had a 6 week old baby and after arguing at the check in desk for a long time (apparently, the fact that I paid 10% plus taxes for an infant seat wasn't enought to notify them that I actually had an infant and needed a bassinet. And obviously, daring to check in only 3 hours before the flight was too late for them to have held a bassinet seat even if I had 'reserved it'), I was finally giving a bulk head seat.
Except it was one without access to a bassinet.
And none of the other 'economy plus' passengers would switch with me.
It was horrific.
And it won't even help to boycott Elal because they are not the only airline doing it. |
that would have happened on any airline. Some people (strangely) do not like to use the bassinet seats. As soon as you book the ticket with the infant taxes you have to call up any airline to reserve a bassinet and then confirm it again a week -24hours before the flight. The earlier the better!
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I am beginning to think that the airlines have something personal against me. Whenever I have tried reserving a bassinet in advance I've been told that they can't do that for me; I have to get to the airport early and ask for one there.
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| Posted: Wed, May 30 2012, 5:11 pm Post subject: re: ELAL's latest..... |
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| Even a baby under age 2 should be bought a seat. Why should only babies under 2 be unsafe on a plane? I know it's more expensive...
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I've flown those economy plus cabins on BA and Virgin, but it is really pretty much the same as regular economy, except you'll have several inches of extra legroom, get to sit on the front part of the economy, seats recline maybe several extra degrees. The emphasis is on economy, rather than plus.
There are basically two rows of bulkheads in standard widebody aircrafts. The second one behind the galley/bathroom (where the big screen used to be) should still remain economy.
As others said, you cannot "reserve" basinettes, and airlines cannot "guarantee" it either.
Ally, you can't really expect someone who paid extra (around further GBP400 in case of BA London-NY) to give up their seats, can you? I didn't get it but if you only paid 10% of adult fare, that's a lap baby fare. If you wanted something, you should have bought a separate seat for infants.
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| Posted: Wed, May 30 2012, 5:32 pm Post subject: re: ELAL's latest..... |
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| Isramom, for one, tickets are expensive! Very expensive. For two, that would mean that for carry on, I'd need to bring: hat box for dh, sheitel box for me, diaper bag for baby, pocketbook, our two allowable wheelies (cuz w/ one suitcase rules, I need all the packing room I can have) and a car seat that will 1- fit on the teeny tiny seats, 2- be according to 'code'. Because without an acceptable car seat, I'll have to hold the baby for takeoff anyway. And at least my child will not sit in his car seat for more than 15 minutes without complaining - so he'll be all over the place - and certainly not sitting down - either way. So make that in short: two - it's not practical. And three - did I mention that it's expensive?
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Mrs Bissli, in my experience, the airlines are supposed to provide a bassinet for babies under 6 months old. The only reason they shouldn't have to is if all the bassinets are taken.
I don't have much experience, because I only flew once with my child in the under-6 month bracket, but at that time they didn't have a bassinet - we had called in advance and they said all the bassinet seats were taken - so they gave us an entire row of 4 seats (for dh, ds, and me) and let us take the bassinet from his stroller onto the plane, and allowed him to spend the flight in there. (Took up the extra 2 seats). This was El Al.
Since then, he's always been too old for a bassinet. I'm flying again next week and dreading the experience.
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| kb wrote: | Mrs Bissli, in my experience, the airlines are supposed to provide a bassinet for babies under 6 months old. The only reason they shouldn't have to is if all the bassinets are taken.
I don't have much experience, because I only flew once with my child in the under-6 month bracket, but at that time they didn't have a bassinet - we had called in advance and they said all the bassinet seats were taken - so they gave us an entire row of 4 seats (for dh, ds, and me) and let us take the bassinet from his stroller onto the plane, and allowed him to spend the flight in there. (Took up the extra 2 seats). This was El Al.
Since then, he's always been too old for a bassinet. I'm flying again next week and dreading the experience. |
That's because El Al are awesome and I am so super jealous and so super outraged at United. We flew with them. They sell economy plus and thus there were only 2 bassinets for the whole plane. We asked for one and were told we'd get one, but didn't. We sat near the window and could barely get up. The baby cried the whole time and didn't sleep for over 20 hours. This is a good reminder that I need to write a reply to their reply to my complaint, because they also left us stranded between connections and haven't paid us back for the hotel.
Airlines these days owe you nothing. It's disgusting.
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| Isramom8 wrote: | | Even a baby under age 2 should be bought a seat. Why should only babies under 2 be unsafe on a plane? I know it's more expensive... |
For a true infant (under 6 months), a seat is not such a great idea either. You can't install a sal kal (infant bucket) rear-facing in an aircraft, and a baby that age is not meant to be sitting for so many hours either. The bassinette is simply a better position/construct for a very young baby.
Further, the last time we travelled we brought the carseat on board and it was a nightmare. The arms/wings of the carseat interfere with lowering the tray, which effectively meant the child sitting in the seat had to eat off someone else's tray (makes a bigger mess) and all the colouring/crafts/stickers we had brought were also almost impossible to juggle. AND said child was remarkable uncomfortable when the idiot (yes) in front of him put his seat so far back that it was quite literally resting on my son's knees...
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About a decade ago, I brought a car seat on ELAL for my one-year-old, and it all worked out fantastically. The seat faced forward.
You can research why it's recommended for babies to fly in their own seats. Basically, without a seat, everything in a plane is secured, EXCEPT for your baby under 2. Not a comforting thought. Babies could get really hurt, chas veshalom.
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| Mrs Bissli wrote: | I've flown those economy plus cabins on BA and Virgin, but it is really pretty much the same as regular economy, except you'll have several inches of extra legroom, get to sit on the front part of the economy, seats recline maybe several extra degrees. The emphasis is on economy, rather than plus.
There are basically two rows of bulkheads in standard widebody aircrafts. The second one behind the galley/bathroom (where the big screen used to be) should still remain economy.
As others said, you cannot "reserve" basinettes, and airlines cannot "guarantee" it either.
Ally, you can't really expect someone who paid extra (around further GBP400 in case of BA London-NY) to give up their seats, can you? I didn't get it but if you only paid 10% of adult fare, that's a lap baby fare. If you wanted something, you should have bought a separate seat for infants. |
In this particular story, I was finally given a bulkhead seat that didn't have a bassinet. I was asking one of the other passengers who was sitting in a bulkhead to swop a bulkhead for a bulkhead.
At any rate, I do think that a parent travelling with an infant (for which 10% plus taxes has cost me up to $800) should be given priority for the bassinet seats and not have them sold out from under them if they haven't checked in three hours before the flight. FTR, I'm not talking about the Economy plus section, but ElAl's (and I am sure they are not the only one) relatively new policy of charging extra for seats in regular economy with extra leg room.
Although I will say that I once flew QANTAS or JetStar (?) by myself with a toddler (their bassinets are good for up to 12-18 months) and they gave me a bassinet in business (or economy plus? I don't remember) because they had none left in Economy. Of course, I recognise that was beyond necessary.
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I have flown many times with Israel to US with an infant. Your 10% +tax gets your baby on the plane. No airline will guarantee you a bassinet. I have had times that I was sitting in bulkhead and there were 1. Either no brackets for the bassinet or 2. No bassinet for the brackets. Honestly, I agree with Israelmom that the best isto get a get a seat for the baby if you can. I have brought an infant seat on the plane and had o issues belting it in. My infants were comfy like that and slept for hours. The forward facing are more of an issue and those take
Up too much room but at that point the baby can't be in the bassinet anyway.
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| Marion wrote: | | Isramom8 wrote: | | Even a baby under age 2 should be bought a seat. Why should only babies under 2 be unsafe on a plane? I know it's more expensive... |
For a true infant (under 6 months), a seat is not such a great idea either. You can't install a sal kal (infant bucket) rear-facing in an aircraft, and a baby that age is not meant to be sitting for so many hours either. The bassinette is simply a better position/construct for a very young baby.
Further, the last time we travelled we brought the carseat on board and it was a nightmare. The arms/wings of the carseat interfere with lowering the tray, which effectively meant the child sitting in the seat had to eat off someone else's tray (makes a bigger mess) and all the colouring/crafts/stickers we had brought were also almost impossible to juggle. AND said child was remarkable uncomfortable when the idiot (yes) in front of him put his seat so far back that it was quite literally resting on my son's knees... |
Why can't you have a baby car seat on a plane. We did it.
We flew with our one year old at the time, on the way back the plane was half empty and we put him in his car seat, I'm pretty sure it was rear facing.
We traveled twice with a toddler with a full ticket (different toddler same situation). Both times we put her in her regular car seat. It was great, our car seat reclines so it's easier for the child to sleep and it's a recognizable situation for her so she feels more comfortable. Yes, the tray would not go all the way down which was annoying, but that really wasn't such a big deal.
Also, I agree shlepping the seat in the airport was a pain, but it was so worth it. BTW the one suitcase gzeira really helps with this  .
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