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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
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Re: belly buttons

It isn't a good idea for body parts which we typically keep covered to show through your clothing. I guess that's related to tzniut. I don't really want to know what the details of your body look like. Yes, pregnancy-related body changes are normal and beautiful (in some ways) and all that, but your body is private and not my business. Your rounded figure doesn't bother me; there's no need to disguise the "bump" (I don't think most of us could if we tried), but please don't show me your belly button. And I don't want to see your moles or underwear or cellulite through your clothing either.

This isn't necessarily related to modern stretchy clothing. Pregnant women's navels were sometimes unexpectedly visible through their loose tent-like clothing when I was pregnant in the 1990's. This reminds me of the visible panty-line thread of a few months ago. Some fabrics, even thicker ones, show every little ripple, while others are more forgiving.

To be fair, the belly-button phenomenon can take some women by surprise well after purchasing maternity clothing. At that point it might be inconvenient and irrationally expensive to replace your wardrobe for things you might wear for two months.


Phew. I was starting to think that I was the only one who could try on baggy tent-like clothing by any standards, and my belly button could still poke through if it's a smooth fabric. I try to wear my skirt waistband there, or wear button down shirts and hope the buttons will cover my belly buttojns
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 10:29 am    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I think there's a happy medium, like everything else.
I think there are flattering styles that are still modest and don't look like what my mom wore when she was pregnant with me!

Another factor in the glamorization of pregnancy in America is celebrities.

I remember when Sarah Jessica Parker was expecting James Wilkie. After she made the Bug-A-Boo the biggest thing, other celebrities were no longer afraid to be pregnant publicly. They were no longer afraid of their careers being affected. (For some reason, she is the one I associate with making pregnancy ok in Hollywood.)

Think about it: every celebrity is having kids. 20 years ago, they had to focus on their careers and worry about family later. No longer.

I'm 26, btw.
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
imaima wrote:
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MamaBear wrote:
My belly button has never popped and this is my 6th pregnancy. Just wanted you to know lest you think I'm being more tsnius than I am. I'm not. It just doesn't pop.

I wasn't talking about tznius!!!! I just think it's really ugly.


Which brings us back to the question - since when is it forbidden to be ugly?


Where did I say it's forbidden?????
I was just saying I think it's ugly.
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 12:14 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I dont wear tight clothes when not pregnant. ditto when pregnant.

I tried not to get things that were to tight in the bust or that went under my belly (tho in my 9th and 10th months (yay overdue) even some of the pretty loose things that were sixe XL went under a bit) but for sure not anything that was designed to go under my belly.

I also have a "flatie" belly button that popped very fast. and even when wearing loose thick clothing (waist of skirt covered by shell, covered by sweater that never "went under" my belly) it still showed!!!

I tried bandaiding it but it itched. and I broke out.

I dont hide it- but I dont flaunt it.

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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 12:18 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
The problem is when something goes in when it should go out...both on top between the bust and the belly, and under the belly where a looser cut would not show the defintion of where your belly begins.
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 12:23 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I don't think one should flaunt. But tent like clothing would make me hide at home. Life has to go on...
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 12:57 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
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I think women are crazy to wear anything that is designed to show the shape of their belly or flaunt it in any way. Would you invite the ayin hora to your house for tea? And why do you think it's something to be proud of? You were blessed with carrying a child. Be grateful to Hashem. What is there to flaunt? And besides, any clothing that accentuates and shows off the shape of any part of the body is poshut not tzanua and distasteful.
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
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I think women are crazy to wear anything that is designed to show the shape of their belly or flaunt it in any way. Would you invite the ayin hora to your house for tea? And why do you think it's something to be proud of? You were blessed with carrying a child. Be grateful to Hashem. What is there to flaunt? And besides, any clothing that accentuates and shows off the shape of any part of the body is poshut not tzanua and distasteful.


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- I dont believe in ayin horas... I feel fat when I'm not wearing fitted clothing. Dont worry- you wont see my belly button cuz it goes flat not all out. I'm not wearing skin tight clothes but yes, you can see my body shape.
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 1:29 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
This thread makes me want to buy this maternity tshirt:
http://www.cafepress.com/frankopinions.459001565

Well not really but I can't believe it even exists.
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 1:52 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I'm 52 and I think that "showing the bump" is horrendously not tznius, just like I feel that all skin tight clothing, spandex, or anything form fitting is not tznius. There is a fine line between fitted clothing and between skin tight and therefore I wear only things that are a bit loose so that my bust is well covered and nothing pulls over it, ever, and the same goes for my hips and waist etc.

Tznius doesn't change when one is pregnant and the same women who would wear tight clothing over their pregnant stomachs, with belly button showing or not, are the same when not pregnant and they wear tight clothing over their hips, bust, arms and think that they are following "the letter of the law" because they have on long sleeves or cover their knees...but they don't have a clue what the spirit of the law of tznius is.

When I was pregnant I spent most of the 9 months on full bedrest but when I had to go to the doctor I wore loose tops and dresses, and later jumpers that dropped from the shoulders or even A line from the shoulders. I never felt fat in them and no one ever treated me, or other pregnant women, including friends of mine who worked through their whole pregnancies as doctors, nurses, accountants, lawyers, judges, teachers, secretaries, etc. with anything but total respect.

Pregnancy is something to be happy about, but a woman's body, whether pregnant or not, should not according to what tznius is, be "outlined". One should never see a bra line, a panty line, or the distinct outline of any part of one's body that should be covered by how you hold tznius. One should never wear clothing that pull over the chest, the hips, or are skin fitting down the arms from armpits down. One should never wear fabric that would show one's nipples clearly if they get hard from the cold, just like one should never wear a neckline that one can see down if one bends over. Just like one should never wear a skirt that is so tight that one wags one's backside when walking. That's just plain tznius.

So to answer, I'm one of those middle aged MO fuddy duddies who believes that women wearing anything outlining any of their body so much that it can be seen clearly - pregnant or not - look cheap, and not like a religious Jewish woman should look. It is totally not classy. I doubt that in any really high class office would one would see a high class executive woman wearing a spandex stomach hugging maternity top in which one could see the outline of her belly button.
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 2:26 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I neither intend to flaunt nor do I hide my baby bump. I choose maternity clothing that I'm comfortable in and that I think looks nice. Can you tell I'm pregnant through my clothing? Yes. It's difficult to hide an entire baby inside one's clothing. Do I wear skintight clothing to "flaunt" that baby? No. But I don't wear that kind of clothing even when I'm not pregnant - I don't think it's flattering for almost anyone.
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
yoshi wrote:
There was no way in the world I would have been able to hide my popping belly. People thought I was due when I was only 6 months Laughing


I don't think anyone is talking about hiding your belly. Anyone can tell my stomach is very pregnant no matter what maternity clothing I wear already between 3 -4 months. I think having a pregnant stomach is the same as having breasts and behind. We aren't hiding it but we are also not emphasizing it.

When I say I think its a problem when clothing is tight enough to show the exact shape of the stomach. I'm thinking about how leggings look on a behind, now move that material and shape to a pregnant stomach. Its a look I am starting to see more and more often.
I think having a T-shirt drape over a pregant stomach is 100% fine.


iluvy wrote:
It's not sexualized in the way the breasts/behind are. Why should it be different from the waist? Just to be clear, I don't think showing every contour and mole is appropriate in either case, but I don't think it's inappropriate to see where it begins and ends.


I don't think we cover body parts because they are sexualized. We cover them because that is the halacha. From what I know the stomach area falls in the same category as breasts and behind (unless I'm missing something). So why should the rules be different about how tight clothing can be over them?
Defining a waist doesn't expose ones figure the same way a very tight shirt does.
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 2:30 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
LOL! In Israel Spandex is Love. Wink

That said, if a woman wears a top showing no difference between where her breasts are, and where her stomach is, she will look huge...
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 2:42 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
Right on, FS. I agree with every word, except that last paragraph about being a MO fuddy-duddy.

I am 45, but my baby is one year old. I did not look like a tent during my pregnancies, but neither did I look like my shirt was a sling carrying a basketball.
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 3:01 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
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I am very slim and carry my pregnancies like huge basketballs in front with a ginormous belly button sticking out by my 4th month. B/c of the way I carry, even in size XL shirts (I normally wear a S) my belly and belly button are very very prominent. By my 8th month all of my tops are very tight. I hate the way it looks but I am at a loss how to dress normally. I tried buying Old Navy plus sized maternity but the shirts looked horrible and my belly was still sticking out ridiculously.

My philosophy is that this is how Hashem made me, anyone who has a problem with my hugely pregnant body and giant belly button monstrosity can take it up with Him.
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
freidasima wrote:
I'm 52 and I think that "showing the bump" is horrendously not tznius, just like I feel that all skin tight clothing, spandex, or anything form fitting is not tznius. There is a fine line between fitted clothing and between skin tight and therefore I wear only things that are a bit loose so that my bust is well covered and nothing pulls over it, ever, and the same goes for my hips and waist etc.

Tznius doesn't change when one is pregnant and the same women who would wear tight clothing over their pregnant stomachs, with belly button showing or not, are the same when not pregnant and they wear tight clothing over their hips, bust, arms and think that they are following "the letter of the law" because they have on long sleeves or cover their knees...but they don't have a clue what the spirit of the law of tznius is.

When I was pregnant I spent most of the 9 months on full bedrest but when I had to go to the doctor I wore loose tops and dresses, and later jumpers that dropped from the shoulders or even A line from the shoulders. I never felt fat in them and no one ever treated me, or other pregnant women, including friends of mine who worked through their whole pregnancies as doctors, nurses, accountants, lawyers, judges, teachers, secretaries, etc. with anything but total respect.

Pregnancy is something to be happy about, but a woman's body, whether pregnant or not, should not according to what tznius is, be "outlined". One should never see a bra line, a panty line, or the distinct outline of any part of one's body that should be covered by how you hold tznius. One should never wear clothing that pull over the chest, the hips, or are skin fitting down the arms from armpits down. One should never wear fabric that would show one's nipples clearly if they get hard from the cold, just like one should never wear a neckline that one can see down if one bends over. Just like one should never wear a skirt that is so tight that one wags one's backside when walking. That's just plain tznius.

So to answer, I'm one of those middle aged MO fuddy duddies who believes that women wearing anything outlining any of their body so much that it can be seen clearly - pregnant or not - look cheap, and not like a religious Jewish woman should look. It is totally not classy. I doubt that in any really high class office would one would see a high class executive woman wearing a spandex stomach hugging maternity top in which one could see the outline of her belly button.


I agree with most of this. And I'm only in my high 20's
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 3:40 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I'm 25, have 3 kids & agree w/ Friedasima

I think I wore flattering clothing. I was obviously pregnant & not trying to hide it, but I kept the standards of tzinyus I would at any other time. (& when my belly button stuck out I put a band-aid over it Wink)

my friend once overheard a pg girl telling her friend that she can still fit into her reg clothes, my friend mumbled "yeah, but can she get out? I can practically see the baby's eye color!"
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
Hashem loves me wrote:
freidasima wrote:
I'm 52 and I think that "showing the bump" is horrendously not tznius, just like I feel that all skin tight clothing, spandex, or anything form fitting is not tznius. There is a fine line between fitted clothing and between skin tight and therefore I wear only things that are a bit loose so that my bust is well covered and nothing pulls over it, ever, and the same goes for my hips and waist etc.

Tznius doesn't change when one is pregnant and the same women who would wear tight clothing over their pregnant stomachs, with belly button showing or not, are the same when not pregnant and they wear tight clothing over their hips, bust, arms and think that they are following "the letter of the law" because they have on long sleeves or cover their knees...but they don't have a clue what the spirit of the law of tznius is.

When I was pregnant I spent most of the 9 months on full bedrest but when I had to go to the doctor I wore loose tops and dresses, and later jumpers that dropped from the shoulders or even A line from the shoulders. I never felt fat in them and no one ever treated me, or other pregnant women, including friends of mine who worked through their whole pregnancies as doctors, nurses, accountants, lawyers, judges, teachers, secretaries, etc. with anything but total respect.

Pregnancy is something to be happy about, but a woman's body, whether pregnant or not, should not according to what tznius is, be "outlined". One should never see a bra line, a panty line, or the distinct outline of any part of one's body that should be covered by how you hold tznius. One should never wear clothing that pull over the chest, the hips, or are skin fitting down the arms from armpits down. One should never wear fabric that would show one's nipples clearly if they get hard from the cold, just like one should never wear a neckline that one can see down if one bends over. Just like one should never wear a skirt that is so tight that one wags one's backside when walking. That's just plain tznius.

So to answer, I'm one of those middle aged MO fuddy duddies who believes that women wearing anything outlining any of their body so much that it can be seen clearly - pregnant or not - look cheap, and not like a religious Jewish woman should look. It is totally not classy. I doubt that in any really high class office would one would see a high class executive woman wearing a spandex stomach hugging maternity top in which one could see the outline of her belly button.


I agree with most of this. And I'm only in my high 20's


Same here. And no, I wore nothing resembling a tent. There are plenty fashionable maternity wear that are not belly-huggers!

It seems popping belly buttons is really popular 'round here, now I've got another thing to be grateful for lol! For those lucky ones amongst us - how about trying to cover it over with some surgical tape? You know the role of white 3M tape? I wonder if that'll help. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
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yoshi wrote:
There was no way in the world I would have been able to hide my popping belly. People thought I was due when I was only 6 months Laughing


I don't think anyone is talking about hiding your belly. Anyone can tell my stomach is very pregnant no matter what maternity clothing I wear already between 3 -4 months. I think having a pregnant stomach is the same as having breasts and behind. We aren't hiding it but we are also not emphasizing it.

When I say I think its a problem when clothing is tight enough to show the exact shape of the stomach. I'm thinking about how leggings look on a behind, now move that material and shape to a pregnant stomach. Its a look I am starting to see more and more often.
I think having a T-shirt drape over a pregant stomach is 100% fine.


iluvy wrote:
It's not sexualized in the way the breasts/behind are. Why should it be different from the waist? Just to be clear, I don't think showing every contour and mole is appropriate in either case, but I don't think it's inappropriate to see where it begins and ends.


I don't think we cover body parts because they are sexualized. We cover them because that is the halacha. From what I know the stomach area falls in the same category as breasts and behind (unless I'm missing something). So why should the rules be different about how tight clothing can be over them?
Defining a waist doesn't expose ones figure the same way a very tight shirt does.


There are two components to halacha: 1) covering; 2) not showing the shape.
For example, the upper arms must be covered, but it's okay to show their shape. The upper legs must be covered, and their shape must be hidden, which is why pants are not okay. A waist can be defined, and I think a bump can be defined too. That doesn't mean I think a very tight shirt is appropriate (I don't).

I wish more people would illustrate with pictures; it's hard to tell from people's posts what they mean. Except for sarahd:
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neither did I look like my shirt was a sling carrying a basketball.

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PostPosted: Wed, May 23 2012, 4:38 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I guess my problem with this thread is the assumption that women get dressed with an agenda to flaunt something. If they do, then of course it's wrong and untzniyus. However, I think that anyone who has a life does not get dressed to flaunt. Especially if you are pregnant - does anyone really follow any fashion trends when pregnant? Especially by the end of pregnancy, all you need is to be covered and comfortable, and then you are counting days till this ordeal is over. Do I really care at this moment, what a random lady in the street "wants to see"? You bet I don't. I don't have anyone go home and change their clothes just for me, and I don't want to do that too.

If you have fat rolls or a popped bellybutton, then of course there is a problem. You look in the mirror and don't like what you see. You change into a looser shirt. However, there are women who have neither of those. They just look like a normal woman with a big smooth ball in the front. No extra details. What stops her from wearing a tighter shirt?

I believe tzniyus is very individual. There are flat chested slim women who can wear tightest shirts and still look tzniyusdik because there is just nothing to reveal. The same shirts on a curvier woman would look inappropriate. So there is no reason to put down certain styles just because they don't look good on some people, but not on the others.
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