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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
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I feel hideously tent-like unless the top is somewhat fitted or tapered via a tie in the back or under the bust. Maybe because I'm so short (4'10) and I carry so "out", but I just need a fitted, tapered look. .

Same here. I prefer close-fitting (not tight) tops or dresses to tent-like garments. Not wet-suit tight, but something with a tie-back or some sort of shape to it, and not just a drapey shapeless mess.
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
shabbatiscoming wrote:
amother wrote:
yoshi wrote:
There was no way in the world I would have been able to hide my popping belly. People thought I was due when I was only 6 months Laughing


Hiding it is not required, but neither is flaunting it. Everyone knows the difference.
There is a way to dress to emphasize the figure, or any parts of the figure.
You can see who dresses in a way to flaunt what.
They even sell bras and girdles with extra padding for those not naturally endowed.
Of course, we want to look thinner, not s*xier. We are supposed to look attractive for our HUSBANDS not for every man looking at us on the street.
But in some parts of the world, a larger derrierre or bust is desirable. They see nothing wrong with "showing skin" (belly skin while pregnant) or showing off the rest of their body, and emphasizing certain body parts.

Some people wear their baby on the inside, some like wearing it on the outside, screaming to be noticed, to shout to the world I AM HAVING A BABY! That is just not the tzniyus way!
Can you explain why wearing something that screams out IM HAVING A BABY is not tzniut???? Everyone knows that married people have relations.


I am not the one who wrote this post, and I think tight fitting clothing is not tznius because it shows of the shape of your body, pregnant or not. However, I do understand that something that screams "IM HAVING A BABY" is not tznius, and it has nothing to do with relations. A big point of tznius -- and one that is completely beaten down in today's facebook world -- is that your private life is not everyone else's business!! I don't mean "private" as it relates to intimacy --- I mean that the details of your life don't always need to be for public consumption. Chazal tell us that the bracha of Mah Tovu was descriptive of the fact that in the midbar each tent had their doors and windows facing in different directions, so no one was looking into the neighbor's home. Throughout history tznius was always connected to the idea of maintaining boundaries and privacy. I'm not saying no one should know you are pregnant -- trust me, anyone looking at me past my 3rd month has no question that I am pregnant! And I certainly don't hide out in my home during my pregnancies. But I think it's a legitimate comment to make that someting that is "screaming" it out definitely lacks a certain element of tznius separate from the overall problems connected with tight fitting clothing.

In fact, I will go off on a tangent and say that IMHO one of the biggest problems stemming from the internet today is simply the way that the internet culture contributes to the breakdown of this sense of privacy. People do not think twice about posting for literally the entire world personal details of their lives that a few decades ago would have been shared with only a few close friends!
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
m in Israel wrote:
shabbatiscoming wrote:
amother wrote:
yoshi wrote:
There was no way in the world I would have been able to hide my popping belly. People thought I was due when I was only 6 months Laughing


Hiding it is not required, but neither is flaunting it. Everyone knows the difference.
There is a way to dress to emphasize the figure, or any parts of the figure.
You can see who dresses in a way to flaunt what.
They even sell bras and girdles with extra padding for those not naturally endowed.
Of course, we want to look thinner, not s*xier. We are supposed to look attractive for our HUSBANDS not for every man looking at us on the street.
But in some parts of the world, a larger derrierre or bust is desirable. They see nothing wrong with "showing skin" (belly skin while pregnant) or showing off the rest of their body, and emphasizing certain body parts.

Some people wear their baby on the inside, some like wearing it on the outside, screaming to be noticed, to shout to the world I AM HAVING A BABY! That is just not the tzniyus way!
Can you explain why wearing something that screams out IM HAVING A BABY is not tzniut???? Everyone knows that married people have relations.


I am not the one who wrote this post, and I think tight fitting clothing is not tznius because it shows of the shape of your body, pregnant or not. However, I do understand that something that screams "IM HAVING A BABY" is not tznius, and it has nothing to do with relations. A big point of tznius -- and one that is completely beaten down in today's facebook world -- is that your private life is not everyone else's business!! I don't mean "private" as it relates to intimacy --- I mean that the details of your life don't always need to be for public consumption. Chazal tell us that the bracha of Mah Tovu was descriptive of the fact that in the midbar each tent had their doors and windows facing in different directions, so no one was looking into the neighbor's home. Throughout history tznius was always connected to the idea of maintaining boundaries and privacy. I'm not saying no one should know you are pregnant -- trust me, anyone looking at me past my 3rd month has no question that I am pregnant! And I certainly don't hide out in my home during my pregnancies. But I think it's a legitimate comment to make that someting that is "screaming" it out definitely lacks a certain element of tznius separate from the overall problems connected with tight fitting clothing.

In fact, I will go off on a tangent and say that IMHO one of the biggest problems stemming from the internet today is simply the way that the internet culture contributes to the breakdown of this sense of privacy. People do not think twice about posting for literally the entire world personal details of their lives that a few decades ago would have been shared with only a few close friends!

While I agree with your sentiments about the internet changing our concepts of privacy, I would also point to another trend in modern society: The emphasis on thinness, fitness, etc.

There are many woemn who, when pregnant, I maintain their shape, and gain weight mainly where the baby is growing.

Large, shapeless tent-like clothes make such women look FAT.

More shape-skimming clothing makes these women look not fat, but PREGNANT.

Most women would prefer the latter to the former.
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
DrMom wrote:
m in Israel wrote:
shabbatiscoming wrote:
amother wrote:
yoshi wrote:
There was no way in the world I would have been able to hide my popping belly. People thought I was due when I was only 6 months Laughing


Hiding it is not required, but neither is flaunting it. Everyone knows the difference.
There is a way to dress to emphasize the figure, or any parts of the figure.
You can see who dresses in a way to flaunt what.
They even sell bras and girdles with extra padding for those not naturally endowed.
Of course, we want to look thinner, not s*xier. We are supposed to look attractive for our HUSBANDS not for every man looking at us on the street.
But in some parts of the world, a larger derrierre or bust is desirable. They see nothing wrong with "showing skin" (belly skin while pregnant) or showing off the rest of their body, and emphasizing certain body parts.

Some people wear their baby on the inside, some like wearing it on the outside, screaming to be noticed, to shout to the world I AM HAVING A BABY! That is just not the tzniyus way!
Can you explain why wearing something that screams out IM HAVING A BABY is not tzniut???? Everyone knows that married people have relations.


I am not the one who wrote this post, and I think tight fitting clothing is not tznius because it shows of the shape of your body, pregnant or not. However, I do understand that something that screams "IM HAVING A BABY" is not tznius, and it has nothing to do with relations. A big point of tznius -- and one that is completely beaten down in today's facebook world -- is that your private life is not everyone else's business!! I don't mean "private" as it relates to intimacy --- I mean that the details of your life don't always need to be for public consumption. Chazal tell us that the bracha of Mah Tovu was descriptive of the fact that in the midbar each tent had their doors and windows facing in different directions, so no one was looking into the neighbor's home. Throughout history tznius was always connected to the idea of maintaining boundaries and privacy. I'm not saying no one should know you are pregnant -- trust me, anyone looking at me past my 3rd month has no question that I am pregnant! And I certainly don't hide out in my home during my pregnancies. But I think it's a legitimate comment to make that someting that is "screaming" it out definitely lacks a certain element of tznius separate from the overall problems connected with tight fitting clothing.

In fact, I will go off on a tangent and say that IMHO one of the biggest problems stemming from the internet today is simply the way that the internet culture contributes to the breakdown of this sense of privacy. People do not think twice about posting for literally the entire world personal details of their lives that a few decades ago would have been shared with only a few close friends!

While I agree with your sentiments about the internet changing our concepts of privacy, I would also point to another trend in modern society: The emphasis on thinness, fitness, etc.

There are many woemn who, when pregnant, I maintain their shape, and gain weight mainly where the baby is growing.

Large, shapeless tent-like clothes make such women look FAT.

More shape-skimming clothing makes these women look not fat, but PREGNANT.

Most women would prefer the latter to the former.


I don't disagree, and have nothing against "shape-skimming" clothing that is not too tight (according to the same type of standards someone would use for non-maternity clothing). I was simply addressing "shabbat is coming"'s above comment, which seems to assume that the lack of tznius described in the previous post is in someway connected to how an individual becomes pregnant Wink I think it has nothing to do with that, but rather with an overall concept that whenever the goal is to "flaunt" the details of your life, you are going to come up against issues of tznius. Each person needs to figure out for themselves where and how to draw those lines -- but I think that amother had a point in saying that if someone is "screaming to be noticed, to shout to the world I AM HAVING A BABY!" -- then that is NOT tznius.
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 9:46 am    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
There's a wonderful product called the "belly band" which is essentially a wide. lycra belt that fits over your belly. It's great in that it:
a) provides full coverage between shirt and skirt;
b) allows you to extend the "life" of your non-maternity shirts and skirts, and;
c) hides a protruding belly button.

I've worn it throughout this pregnancy...love it!
http://www.overstock.com/Baby/The-Belly-Button-Maternity-Band/5677681/product.html?cid=123620
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 10:14 am    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
The striped top isn't too tight IMO.
Maybe it's a generation thing. My mother HATES tight. To me she dresses 2 sizes too big! she finds anything clinging to the body immodest.
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 1:37 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
im 19.
I think once your used to dressing a certain way, from before u even got pregnant, thast the same way u'll dress when u r pregnant. if you wore body hugging clothing from before thats what you will look for when u r expecting, and the opposite. I wont find my maternity fashion tight or non tzniuzdig but I would say it is fitted nicely and presentable.
my grandmother wore wide house robes while she was pregnant and that was fine then, today thats not what we are expected to wear neither at work or outside. we have to dress presentable and nicely and today society's definition of that is what they are selling in the stores.
we dont see these old fashions out anymore, and they wouldnt interst us even if we did.
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 2:20 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
Not all women develop a cute "bump". Some of us just gain all over, from cheekbones to fingers and ankles. In that case, the outfit linked as "too loose" is just perfect. In a few weeks it will look tighter anyway, guaranteed.
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
israelimom wrote:
There's a wonderful product called the "belly band" which is essentially a wide. lycra belt that fits over your belly. It's great in that it:
a) provides full coverage between shirt and skirt;
b) allows you to extend the "life" of your non-maternity shirts and skirts, and;
c) hides a protruding belly button.

I've worn it throughout this pregnancy...love it!
http://www.overstock.com/Baby/The-Belly-Button-Maternity-Band/5677681/product.html?cid=123620



does it come in diff sizes?
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 4:45 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I was taught that tight fitting clothes are not permitted at any time, and a person should be careful especially during pregnancy, because at such a time you don't want to risk the pregnancy with aveiras. Also, that a pregnancy is such a gift, one should not want to flaunt it in a crude manner (with tight clothing) because that is like a slap in the face of the Benefactor who wants us to be tznius.

All that said, there is tailored clothing, or fitted, and then there is snug or tight.
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 5:12 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I am 26+ weeks. My body screams I am having a baby, regardless of whether I am wearing a bathing suit or a burqa. I don't gain all over. From behind you can't even tell I'm pregnant. I have a huge belly though, and I cover it with anything that will fit over it.
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
thatgirl wrote:
israelimom wrote:
There's a wonderful product called the "belly band" which is essentially a wide. lycra belt that fits over your belly. It's great in that it:
a) provides full coverage between shirt and skirt;
b) allows you to extend the "life" of your non-maternity shirts and skirts, and;
c) hides a protruding belly button.

I've worn it throughout this pregnancy...love it!
http://www.overstock.com/Baby/The-Belly-Button-Maternity-Band/5677681/product.html?cid=123620



does it come in diff sizes?


Yes. You can find it in motherhood or target. It didn't do much to hide my belly button, though it was very useful otherwise.
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
amother wrote:
im 19.
I think once your used to dressing a certain way, from before u even got pregnant, thast the same way u'll dress when u r pregnant. if you wore body hugging clothing from before thats what you will look for when u r expecting, and the opposite. I wont find my maternity fashion tight or non tzniuzdig but I would say it is fitted nicely and presentable.
my grandmother wore wide house robes while she was pregnant and that was fine then, today thats not what we are expected to wear neither at work or outside. we have to dress presentable and nicely and today society's definition of that is what they are selling in the stores.
we dont see these old fashions out anymore, and they wouldnt interst us even if we did.


something about that sentance rubs me wrong. yes, we have to dress presentable and nicely, and yes, today's outside society can find their version of it in most stores, but that doesnt mean we should too.

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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
thatgirl wrote:
israelimom wrote:
There's a wonderful product called the "belly band" which is essentially a wide. lycra belt that fits over your belly. It's great in that it:
a) provides full coverage between shirt and skirt;
b) allows you to extend the "life" of your non-maternity shirts and skirts, and;
c) hides a protruding belly button.

I've worn it throughout this pregnancy...love it!
http://www.overstock.com/Baby/The-Belly-Button-Maternity-Band/5677681/product.html?cid=123620



does it come in diff sizes?


there are different brands and yes they come in different sizes.
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 11:02 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I think part of the problem is that 2 people can wear the same thing and it looks two different ways. Pregnant bellies are particularly susceptible to this phenomenon. A friend of mine wore these spandex tops when we were expecting at the same time. We are more or less the same size, but carried very differently. Her stomach was sort of flat and wide, without any real ledge. The shirt sat fine on her. I could not wear them, and I tried them all on. Imho when someone carries very round and protruding, they can look very untznius. The spandex look is not flattering at all. Not everything looks the same, or good, or appropriate on everybody.

Also, to those who say that wearing fitted spandexy clothing is not problematic, what if men dressed that way? What if it became stylish for frum men to wear fitted spandexy pants. Still not a problem?
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PostPosted: Thu, May 24 2012, 11:26 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
My husband wears fitted pants. Not spandexy- ew, that's just a bad look, fashion wise. He does have some pants with spandex in them, though. It's not a problem at all. Why would it be?
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PostPosted: Fri, May 25 2012, 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
MaBelleVie wrote:
My husband wears fitted pants. Not spandexy- ew, that's just a bad look, fashion wise. He does have some pants with spandex in them, though. It's not a problem at all. Why would it be?


ooc, why do people think spandexy is eww on men (btw I also) but on women its ok?
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PostPosted: Fri, May 25 2012, 6:26 am    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
tsiggelle wrote:
MaBelleVie wrote:
My husband wears fitted pants. Not spandexy- ew, that's just a bad look, fashion wise. He does have some pants with spandex in them, though. It's not a problem at all. Why would it be?


ooc, why do people think spandexy is eww on men (btw I also) but on women its ok?

Excluding exercise attire, I don't think I've ever seen spandex pants for men.
Which is probably just as well.
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PostPosted: Fri, May 25 2012, 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
DrMom wrote:
tsiggelle wrote:
MaBelleVie wrote:
My husband wears fitted pants. Not spandexy- ew, that's just a bad look, fashion wise. He does have some pants with spandex in them, though. It's not a problem at all. Why would it be?


ooc, why do people think spandexy is eww on men (btw I also) but on women its ok?

Excluding exercise attire, I don't think I've ever seen spandex pants for men.
Which is probably just as well.


but why? I personally dislike spandex for men or women , I just wonder why people dislike it on men and love it for ladies.
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PostPosted: Fri, May 25 2012, 7:43 am    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
amother wrote:
Also, to those who say that wearing fitted spandexy clothing is not problematic, what if men dressed that way? What if it became stylish for frum men to wear fitted spandexy pants. Still not a problem?


Been to Israel? lol

It's a thing among the 'arsim' to wear tight pants...stretch jeans and such. To them, I guess it's stylish.

In some Asian countries, men and women have similar levels of tznius... think of the loose pants and tunic that they wear in India, Pakistan...etc.
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