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 Posted: Thu, May 24 2012, 11:16 am Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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Oh, the times, they are a changing....
Although, I do not recall seeing immodest clothing in corporate America in recent years (when I am exposed to it).
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| Posted: Thu, May 24 2012, 11:29 am Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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ChossidMom,
The men also do not dress professional
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| Posted: Thu, May 24 2012, 11:52 am Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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idk, I see the woman's side , regarding the robe part at least, thats pretty humiliating..
from the beginning the employer should have spelled out what he expected to be her dress code..
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| Posted: Thu, May 24 2012, 11:59 am Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| ChossidMom wrote: | | How about cleavage? Is that suitable in a high powered position (or even for a clerk in Walmart?)? |
It is in my company.
I work for a fairly traditional company so people don't wear ridiculously low cut clothing. But a little bit of cleavage is fine.
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| Posted: Thu, May 24 2012, 1:25 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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Nothing wrong with having a dress code. They have them everywhere. At one place where I worked everyone had to wear skirts, jean skirts not included( boss was far from chasidish). I assume half her story is right-they probably didn't tell it to her in a nice way and she felt very offended. Her breast don't look that big to me that they had to tell her to "tape it down". I assume that she showed some nice cleavage there and they told her to cover it up.
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| Posted: Thu, May 24 2012, 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| Barbara wrote: | | ChossidMom wrote: | | How about cleavage? Is that suitable in a high powered position (or even for a clerk in Walmart?)? |
Haven't you ever seen http://www.peopleofwalmart.com ? ANYTHING goes there!
There's cleavage, and there's cleavage. And a little bit goes in some workplaces, albeit not in conservative professions. But, yes, we did once hire an attorney who decided that camisoles, without a jacket or sweater, were appropriate for work.
Things are definitely different. |
I wouldn't quite use Walmart as an example of standards of office dress; especially as many of the people who come through are customers.
That send, standards have changed. Cleavage is probably fine as long as it isn't excessive. Skirts above the knee as long as the probably stopping about mid-thigh or lower thigh. It would depend on the job. I would think if one were working in the public end of a corporate job or professional job that one would wear different clothes then at the job this woman had.
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| Posted: Thu, May 24 2012, 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| willow wrote: | ChossidMom,
The men also do not dress professional |
Excuse me. I have never seen a man in Israel (or elsewhere) come to work in short pants or a sleeveless tee shirt. I have no problem with seeing a man in a tee shirt and jeans. That's called "casual".
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| Posted: Thu, May 24 2012, 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| ChossidMom wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | Israeli (non-frum) women have NO idea how to dress like classy professionals. I talking about compared to non jews in other countries.
They dress VERY slutty-ish. It's almost as if they've all just gone OTD and are rebelling like crazy. |
Are you sure you can slander non-frum israeli women like this?? Do you think slutty-ish is an appropriate way to refer to another person, let alone a fellow jew?? |
Huh? They're DOING it. I'm just saying what they do. It's shameful. No class whatsoever. |
Actually, saying what someone does is what lashon hara is. So maybe Chani's right. |
Not in this case.
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| Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 2:24 am Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| StripedFlower wrote: | | ChossidMom wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | Israeli (non-frum) women have NO idea how to dress like classy professionals. I talking about compared to non jews in other countries.
They dress VERY slutty-ish. It's almost as if they've all just gone OTD and are rebelling like crazy. |
Are you sure you can slander non-frum israeli women like this?? Do you think slutty-ish is an appropriate way to refer to another person, let alone a fellow jew?? |
Huh? They're DOING it. I'm just saying what they do. It's shameful. No class whatsoever. |
Actually, saying what someone does is what lashon hara is. So maybe Chani's right. |
Not in this case. |
Absolutely, you are wrong, and you can't say that, and calling any woman 'slutty-ish' or any other derogatory term wont be tolerated on imamother.
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| Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 5:59 am Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| StripedFlower wrote: | | ChossidMom wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | Israeli (non-frum) women have NO idea how to dress like classy professionals. I talking about compared to non jews in other countries.
They dress VERY slutty-ish. It's almost as if they've all just gone OTD and are rebelling like crazy. |
Are you sure you can slander non-frum israeli women like this?? Do you think slutty-ish is an appropriate way to refer to another person, let alone a fellow jew?? |
Huh? They're DOING it. I'm just saying what they do. It's shameful. No class whatsoever. |
Actually, saying what someone does is what lashon hara is. So maybe Chani's right. |
Not in this case. |
Why not?
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| Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 9:20 am Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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[quote="ChossidMom"] | willow wrote: | ChossidMom,
The men also do not dress professional |
Excuse me. I have never seen a man in Israel (or elsewhere) come to work in short pants or a sleeveless tee shirt. I have no problem with seeing a man in a tee shirt and jeans. That's called "casual".[/quo
my dh goes every year to the ambassador's New Years parts in Tel Aviv.
He said the difference between the Israeli's that attend and Americans is as
a world apart.
He says when he meets with the Israeli Knesset members he is often taken aback
at how casual they dress. A senator in America would NEVER dress like that for work.
They would dress like that to attend a backyard bbq.
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| Posted: Fri, May 25 2012, 9:47 am Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| If you knew how expensive jeans are here in Israel, you wouldn't call them casual attire! LOL
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| Posted: Mon, May 28 2012, 10:37 am Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| chani8 wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | | ChossidMom wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | Israeli (non-frum) women have NO idea how to dress like classy professionals. I talking about compared to non jews in other countries.
They dress VERY slutty-ish. It's almost as if they've all just gone OTD and are rebelling like crazy. |
Are you sure you can slander non-frum israeli women like this?? Do you think slutty-ish is an appropriate way to refer to another person, let alone a fellow jew?? |
Huh? They're DOING it. I'm just saying what they do. It's shameful. No class whatsoever. |
Actually, saying what someone does is what lashon hara is. So maybe Chani's right. |
Not in this case. |
Absolutely, you are wrong, and you can't say that, and calling any woman 'slutty-ish' or any other derogatory term wont be tolerated on imamother. |
Even if they dress like sluts???
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| Posted: Mon, May 28 2012, 10:43 am Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| StripedFlower wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | | ChossidMom wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | Israeli (non-frum) women have NO idea how to dress like classy professionals. I talking about compared to non jews in other countries.
They dress VERY slutty-ish. It's almost as if they've all just gone OTD and are rebelling like crazy. |
Are you sure you can slander non-frum israeli women like this?? Do you think slutty-ish is an appropriate way to refer to another person, let alone a fellow jew?? |
Huh? They're DOING it. I'm just saying what they do. It's shameful. No class whatsoever. |
Actually, saying what someone does is what lashon hara is. So maybe Chani's right. |
Not in this case. |
Absolutely, you are wrong, and you can't say that, and calling any woman 'slutty-ish' or any other derogatory term wont be tolerated on imamother. |
Even if they dress like sluts??? |
Do you think that language is becoming for a bas melech?
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| Posted: Mon, May 28 2012, 10:45 am Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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[quote="willow"] | ChossidMom wrote: | | willow wrote: | ChossidMom,
The men also do not dress professional |
Excuse me. I have never seen a man in Israel (or elsewhere) come to work in short pants or a sleeveless tee shirt. I have no problem with seeing a man in a tee shirt and jeans. That's called "casual".[/quo
my dh goes every year to the ambassador's New Years parts in Tel Aviv.
He said the difference between the Israeli's that attend and Americans is as
a world apart.
He says when he meets with the Israeli Knesset members he is often taken aback
at how casual they dress. A senator in America would NEVER dress like that for work.
They would dress like that to attend a backyard bbq. |
Didn't they finally make a law a year or two ago that Knesset members are no longer allowed to wear jeans to the Knesset?
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| Posted: Mon, May 28 2012, 12:12 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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can we please watch our tongues?
that includes not making generalisations.
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| Posted: Mon, May 28 2012, 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| StripedFlower wrote: | | ChossidMom wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | Israeli (non-frum) women have NO idea how to dress like classy professionals. I talking about compared to non jews in other countries.
They dress VERY slutty-ish. It's almost as if they've all just gone OTD and are rebelling like crazy. |
Are you sure you can slander non-frum israeli women like this?? Do you think slutty-ish is an appropriate way to refer to another person, let alone a fellow jew?? |
Huh? They're DOING it. I'm just saying what they do. It's shameful. No class whatsoever. |
Actually, saying what someone does is what lashon hara is. So maybe Chani's right. |
Not in this case. | Please explain why not in this case. Lashon Hara is Lashon Hara is Lashon Hara, whichever way you slice it.
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| Posted: Thu, May 31 2012, 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| ChossidMom wrote: | | DrMom wrote: | | Culturedpearls wrote: | We have a dress code in our business which all employees must sign to if they accept the job. It cannot be discrimatory so pants are ok but not pants above the knee. No sleevess tops, no low cut etc. We had a lawyer draft the document.
A non Jewish aquintance who runs large business once complained to me about how her staff dress & asked to see our dress code. A while later she called up & said "you forgot something , no bare stomach". Her employee at the front desk came wearing a shirt which wasn't low cut but exposed her whole stomach and got upset when she was told to cover up. |
I know this was brought up before, but as someone who works in Israel, I never cease to be amazed at the clothing people think is work-appropriate here.
I do not understand how potential johns are able to identify the actual street-walkers in this country. |
LOL ITA. I remember when I worked at the New York Times and the typist was in a sleeveless shirt - she wore a jacket AND stockings in the office!!! Today, here, it's okay to be a high powered whatever and wear a miniskirt and low cut top. Go figure. |
Considering what the topic is, this is too funny, hasn't anybody else seen this (if you are familiar with Lolita, that is)? I had to comment on that 
Marina, just btw, I never asked for that girl to get fired. I ask that her boss discuss having a dress code with her. If she decided she'd rather quit then wear a normal shirt that's her problem. I don't have to feel bad that she had to make a choice. Nobody asked her to put on a burqa and for the record, my description of her cleavage wasn't even slightly exaggerated.
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| Posted: Thu, May 31 2012, 10:39 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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StripedFlower, are you being deliberately obtuse? It's not okay -- as in, it's assur -- to talk this way about people. Where exactly did you read the caveat, "unless they are dressed like sluts"? Can you cite a source?
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 01 2012, 3:26 am Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| sequoia wrote: | | StripedFlower, are you being deliberately obtuse? It's not okay -- as in, it's assur -- to talk this way about people. Where exactly did you read the caveat, "unless they are dressed like sluts"? Can you cite a source? |
Yes she is. Which is why I'm not getting involved in this anymore. The conversation is making me ill.
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