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| Quote: | | I used to shop at a store where the cashier wore tops that were so low, they were almost at her nipples. So of course I complained to the owner, I did not want to see that. The next week she was gone |
Really? You got someone fired because you didn't like seeing cleaveage? And you sleep at night? Classy. Real classy.
As for the news story, if the allegations are true, it is a plain discrimination case. Employees are fired every day for inappropriate attire, but they are not told to tape their breasts or be less hot. That's just harassment and it's strange to me that a business owner would be so ignorant.
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 12:38 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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Hey, now I have a good excuse to not look for a job! 
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| Raisin wrote: | I think it is irrelevant what they are selling. There is a time and place for lingerie, either under your clothes or in your bedroom. Not in the workplace.
But yes, they mishandled the whole thing really badly. And so did she. She thought leggings and a tshirt would be fine????  I'm sure she knew quite well they would not be. |
Based on her description of what others wore in the workplace, I do think that she thought that would be fine. Indeed, in anything OTHER than a business attempting to enforce right-wing Orthodox clothing restrictions on female employees, it would have been fine in her position. She wasn't on the sales floor or in a customer relations position.
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| crl wrote: | Honestly? Seems fishy to me. Here are some quotes from a different article I read:
| Quote: | | Odes said that on successive days during her week-long employment in late April she was warned that her attire was too alluring, that her breasts should be taped down to make them look smaller, and that she was asked to wear a red bathrobe to cover one outfit. |
| Quote: | | Odes said she felt her wardrobe was appropriate for a business that sells “thongs with hearts placed in the female genital area and boy shorts for women that say ‘hot’ in the buttocks area.” |
I'm not saying it was handled correctly, but it sounds to me that she HAD been warned already about the dress code, and that working a week is still considered probationary -- my guess is she got fired for some other reason in addition to failing to comply with the company dress code and since she can't claim unemployment, she's pulling the "I was too hot" card. She said her attire was "appropriate for a business that sells thongs...", but that means pretty much any outfit a step above lingerie would be fair game.
And, she's being represented by the same lawyer that represented that bimbo who also claimed she was fired for being "too hot"? Please.
Again, I do think there was some inappropriate workplace behavior but this woman is not completely innocent, in my opinion. |
"Bimbo" Nice way of showing respect to other women.
Ms. Allred -- who is also Jewish, by the way -- largely represents women with respect to women's rights issues.
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 1:36 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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I don't know if she was fired for the reasons she states she was fired, but none of the outfits were inappropriate for her position.
@Fox on the link to the clip they show what she was wearing and it wasn't inappropriate, some of the clothes weren't modest according to Orthodox standards, but they were fine, imho.
Merrymom, I agree with Marina, yuck, just yuck.
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| HindaRochel wrote: | I don't know if she was fired for the reasons she states she was fired, but none of the outfits were inappropriate for her position.
@Fox on the link to the clip they show what she was wearing and it wasn't inappropriate, some of the clothes weren't modest according to Orthodox standards, but they were fine, imho. |
I have to agree. Those outfits looked pretty mild to me, compared to what I see sometimes on women in all kinds of customer service jobs (here in Israel). They didn't even look low cut. BTW cleavage is the norm here in Israel.
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| ChossidMom wrote: | | HindaRochel wrote: | I don't know if she was fired for the reasons she states she was fired, but none of the outfits were inappropriate for her position.
@Fox on the link to the clip they show what she was wearing and it wasn't inappropriate, some of the clothes weren't modest according to Orthodox standards, but they were fine, imho. |
I have to agree. Those outfits looked pretty mild to me, compared to what I see sometimes on women in all kinds of customer service jobs (here in Israel). They didn't even look low cut. BTW cleavage is the norm here in Israel. |
Seriously? I didn't see anything that seemed work-appropriate. Her outfits all seemed like things you'd wearing clubbing -- especially the backless black outfit with the peekaboo bolero.
For sure, none of the displayed outfits fit into the "casual athletic" category she mentioned other employees wearing.
The company is obviously to blame for not being explicit about a dress code. But I'm not sure that a case based on the argument that, "The plaintiff is too stupid to notice the difference between, say, jeans and a polo shirt, and a short, tight, lacy black evening ensemble" is worth all that much sympathy, either.
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 4:49 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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Yeah she looks sleezy and she has massive breasts (lol) but I find it pretty ironically funny that she worked in a lingerie store.
I know there is a time and place for lingerie but if you sit and order lingerie all day and send it out cummon, have some respect for a women who is just trying to get dressed!
And of course, could have guessed, it had to be orthodox jews getting their name in the bad side of the news again!
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 4:51 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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Fox, you should see how women dress in offices in Israel.
I remember eons ago when the secretary at our office used to wear a shear white blouse with a lacy bra.
Nowadays - cleavage, tight tops and short skirts are the key concepts in Israeli fashion for women.
Today I had a business meeting with my husband and two accountants. The man looked "normal". The woman he brought was wearing a sleeveless, low cut, orange tank top with trousers. She had this huge tattoo on her shoulder (and painted on eyebrows). We're taking international tax expert!!!!! Anything goes in this country and I have never heard of a dress code here!
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| Merrymom wrote: | | I used to shop at a store where the cashier wore tops that were so low, they were almost at her nipples. So of course I complained to the owner, I did not want to see that. The next week she was gone. So if an owner can lose business ( I would have stopped shopping there if that woman had continued working there in that condition) I'm sure it's within his rights to fire someone like that. |
I'mk pretty sure it's not!
| ChossidMom wrote: | | HindaRochel wrote: | I don't know if she was fired for the reasons she states she was fired, but none of the outfits were inappropriate for her position.
@Fox on the link to the clip they show what she was wearing and it wasn't inappropriate, some of the clothes weren't modest according to Orthodox standards, but they were fine, imho. |
I have to agree. Those outfits looked pretty mild to me, compared to what I see sometimes on women in all kinds of customer service jobs (here in Israel). They didn't even look low cut. BTW cleavage is the norm here in Israel. |
Israeli (non-frum) women have NO idea how to dress like classy professionals. I talking about compared to non jews in other countries.
They dress VERY slutty-ish. It's almost as if they've all just gone OTD and are rebelling like crazy.
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| ChossidMom wrote: | | The woman he brought was wearing a sleeveless, low cut, orange tank top with trousers. She had this huge tattoo on her shoulder (and painted on eyebrows). We're taking international tax expert!!!!! |
LOL! Speaking of images from the Internet that will stay in my mind for a while!
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BTW, does anyone else find it funny that all these downtown lingerie shops are owned by chassidishe men? |
Yes. Me. I just don't get it.
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:13 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| I don't think it's fair that everyone is calling this woman a "sleaze," etc. We shouldn't assume that she is exaggerating or making it up, she may be telling the whole truth and was subject to embarrassment...frum or not, some people are not nice and may have treated her poorly.
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:16 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| Way to make a lot of money. She worked there for less than one week!
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:26 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| I guess we'll find out more once the tape recording is released. (Unless this is quickly settled out of court, and we'll never know the end of the story.)
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| StripedFlower wrote: | | Way to make a lot of money. She worked there for less than one week! |
So its OK to harass and humiliate a woman if she only works at a place for a short period of time?
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| Barbara wrote: | | StripedFlower wrote: | | Way to make a lot of money. She worked there for less than one week! |
So its OK to harass and humiliate a woman if she only works at a place for a short period of time? |
Why are you putting words in my mouth?
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| faigyl wrote: | | DrMom wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | I just saw the youtube on this woman. She is gorgeous. Not like the sleezy slob that people were portraying her as. She looks upperclass hot model type.
Sounds like a case of jealousy, cloaked in the guise of self-righteous tznius, to me. |
I'm not sure what exactly happened -- all we hear is her side.
I will strongly disagree with chani's assessment of this woman's looks:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/jersey-woman-fired-busty/story?id=16400674 |
Yup- dont know where chani got that from.
This lady looks pretty sleezy to me from the photos I've seen yahoo and abc news. |
Agreed! I saw the youtube vid the other day & did not think she appeared so gorgeous at all but beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. I had no idea until now that the owners who fired her were jewish. too bad, yet another chillul hashem  .
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:39 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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I saw her interviewed on tv. She stated she asked if there was a dress code and the company stated there was none.
there is no dress code in any workplace manual. No written policy regarding what was appropriate.
Therefore, whatever people may think of her, she has a case.
I just wished this could have been handled differently. I don't see what the big deal is with her in those clothes when she was doing data entry.
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| Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:43 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| From an HR standpoint...if there was no dress code mentioned, she didn't have to abide by one, and they really didn't have the right to tell her to dress in a way that they chose. Now, if they had a published dress code in their employee handbook and she did not follow it, then they could have the right to say something
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