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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
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Actually, AFAIK, all observant Conservative Jews define their observance in terms of adherence to Torah, not to a particular synagogue. The fact that, as an Orthodox Jew, you would not agree that they are adhering to Torah is irrelevant to THEIR beliefs as to themselves.

Not sure about Reform Jews.


Clarissa, I guess I'm ignorant because what Barbara said is the most heartening thing I've heard. I know there are a number of traditional, more observant Conservative Jews but this I haven't heard. May they live with enough consitency and conviction to joyfully and fully pass it down to future generations.
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
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Let me leave all of you with one of my favorite vertlach from the Apter Rav. He said that the mitzvah of V'ahavta l'reiacha kamocha can be found in every parsha. A chosid asked, Even Balak? He answered, that's easy - the very roshei taivos are an acronym for V'ahavta L'raicha Kamocha. But, said the chossid, it's a vav, not a veis, and a kuf, not a chaf.
Ach, said the rav, if you get hung up on the differences you'll never be able to be mekayeim the mitzvah...



I LOVE this.
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 2:18 pm    Post subject: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 20, 2
 
Be the borg.
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
saw50st8 wrote:
Be the borg.


OK, p. 1 of google didn't shed enough light on this. I take it this is a Star Trek reference. Can you elaborate for those of us who - es chata'ai ani mazkir - didn't get enough Star Trek of any generation in our consciousnesses?
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
saw50st8 wrote:
Be the borg.



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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
PinkFridge wrote:
saw50st8 wrote:
Be the borg.


OK, p. 1 of google didn't shed enough light on this. I take it this is a Star Trek reference. Can you elaborate for those of us who - es chata'ai ani mazkir - didn't get enough Star Trek of any generation in our consciousnesses?


The borg shared one conciousness.

Yes its Star Trek. Which my husband introduced me to after I made a wrong reference to Star Wars. I have now seen all Star Wars movies and some Star Trek stuff. My life is much richer (sarcasm) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
saw50st8 wrote:
PinkFridge wrote:
saw50st8 wrote:
Be the borg.


OK, p. 1 of google didn't shed enough light on this. I take it this is a Star Trek reference. Can you elaborate for those of us who - es chata'ai ani mazkir - didn't get enough Star Trek of any generation in our consciousnesses?


The borg shared one conciousness.

Yes its Star Trek. Which my husband introduced me to after I made a wrong reference to Star Wars. I have now seen all Star Wars movies and some Star Trek stuff. My life is much richer (sarcasm) Very Happy


Ah, but which generation? My frame of references ends around the tribbles, fifth season of syndication or so.
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
TranquilityAndPeace wrote:


Please take out a mekro'os gedolos Chumash and learn the subject of Zakein Mamrei. If you never heard of it, and you believe the way you post, it is IMPERATIVE that you learn it!

What does not apply these days is that someone who disagrees with Sanhedrin will be put to death, because we don't have Sanhedrin. However, all those other steps, leading a person towards becoming a Zakein Mamrei (questioning a bais din of 3, 23, etc) apply now more than ever, since we have such disparate leadership!

If you were taught that one should obey a rav without thinking for herself, then you were not taught Torah in that teaching. You were taught totalitariasm or something of that sort.


I have never ever heard of anyone doing something like that these days.

If a Rav gives a psak about something, esepcailyl hundreds of rabbonim, then who am I to question them?
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 9:59 pm    Post subject: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 20, 2
 
I wish the Lubavitchers would speak up...
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 10:02 pm    Post subject: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 20, 2
 
Rabbi Eisenman's take on the asifa.

http://www.vosizneias.com/106710/2012/05/22/new-york-the-asifa-and-the-counter-asifa

New York - For the last few weeks we all have been hearing about last night’s ‘The Asifa’ in Citified. It has been promulgated and disseminated throughout the Jewish world with letters and requests for all Jews to come and be part of sanctifying the name of Hashem.

The event was billed as one to bring about togetherness and unity among Jews and to combat those forces which are causing us harm.

Therefore, for the sake of unity and for my constant need for spiritual growth I, along with thousands and thousands, attended.

Indeed, the speakers spoke about the need to be holy and to be G-dly.

They spoke about the necessity to bring G-d into our lives.

They spoke about imitating the ways of our forefathers.

They mentioned the great traditions of Avrohom and of how we are all children of Avrohom.

They evoked the names of the great Chassidic masters and their legacies.

They quoted the names of the great one’s of our people and how they went against the tide and did not follow the masses in whatever event may have been the popular trend at the time.

They asked all of us to be brave and courageous; to have the inner strength to fight and stand up for what is right and for what is G-dly.

They insisted that notwithstanding the multitudes who gather in stadiums and have access to financial resources to promote their messages, we as G-dly, caring Jews; Jews who care about our children; should not just mimic the ways of the masses. Rather we have to keep focused and in spite of the masses and their frenzied and frenetic propaganda, we as G-d fearing, compassionate and caring Jews must think about the spiritual well being of each other; irrespective of who and how we outwardly appear.

As the speeches began to enter my heart, as I heard the legendary stories of the greats of our people who did everything and anything in their power to reach out and help those in need I felt the need to act.

As my heart awakened to the realization that there are people who are in need of compassion my body was inspired to act and not just listen.

I knew that I had to attempt to be G-dly and not just be a passive observer in the stadium munching on the free pretzels as most of the people sitting next to me were doing.

I decided to heed the call and attempt to imitate the ways of the Chofetz Chaim and of the Baal Shem Tov.

I left the arena filled with thousands and thousands of easily identifiable Jews who were sitting in comfort noshing on the free food provided and (many) checking their emails on their blackberries as speakers simultaneously made impassioned pleas to discard them.

I arose and walked out of the stadium with my head hell high and my heart infused with the knowledge and want of being G-dly and of being called a child of Avrohom Avinu.

Despite being chilled and still under the weakening effect of a lingering virus, I recalled the stories of our leaders and of their actions and this inspired me to keep seeking and walking.

I recalled the story of Rav Yisroel Salant and how he arrived at Shul late for Yom Kippur davening as he heard the cries of an unattended Jewish child. When asked how he was able to keep the masses waiting and why did he not join the crowd, Rav Yisroel responded, “A Jew who does not hear the cry of a Jewish child in need is in need of much more than of being in Shul in Yom Kippur; he needs an entire spiritual fixing.”

I know neither the source nor of the authenticity of the story. However, I do know that it entered my heart and to me it was always what was a true ‘Gadol’ is.

Is not feeling the pain of those in pain true G-dliness? As we say in davening every Motzei Shabbos: “Wherever you find the greatness of Holy One, Blessed be He. There you will find His humility…..For Hashem….the Master of masters….a great and mighty G-d. (Hashem says): I abide …in holiness, but (I) am with the broken and lowly of spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly and to give life to those who are broken” (Yeshaya 57:15)

I knew what the message for me was; my destination was clear.

I looked and I searched.

Up the block and down the block; a phone call here and a phone call there; a request from a policeman here and an usher there; however, finally my search was not in vain and I found them.

Barricaded and secluded, confined and segregated, quarantined and concealed behind the police barricades they stood.

The hurt and pained, the broken hearted.

The ones about who Dovid HaMelech writes in Tehillim are the true ‘korbonos’ (sacrifices): The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; O God, You will not despise a broken and crushed heart. (Tehillim 51:19).

These were the people I had to be with.

They came not to hurt and not to cause pain.

They came not to disrupt and not to attack.

They came because they are in pain and they know there are so many others as well.

They came because there is a hidden pain which the thousands inside yearning for inspiration and information were not being told and they hoped to correct that.

They came to help Jewish children and to tell everyone that other problems irrespective of the internet have to be tackled s well.

And they came because they are in pain.

When I was a little boy my Rebbe told me that when Pharaoh asked his three advisors, Bilaam, Iyov and Yisro for advice on what to do with the Jews this is what they said:

Bilaam who wanted to annihilate the Jews was himself killed.

Yisro who stood up for the Jews was rewarded by Hashem with his daughter marrying Moshe.

Iyov was silent and was punished with afflictions and pain.

My rebbe told me that we see from here that even when you cannot help someone or something, at least try to feel their pain, at least cry out in empathy.

I approached the group; the ‘counter Asifa’.

The men were not wearing black hats and women were present.

They had no fancy stadium seats and they sat on the cold, hard pavement.

They were not famous leaders with titles and huge yeshivas behind them.

They were simple broken hearted pained Jews and with this group I felt solace.

With this group I chose to stand; for nothing more than to say “I love you and I feel your pain.”

Some of the group eyed the Chareidi dressed rabbi with the long coat suspiciously; however, I could not help feeling that Rav Yisroel Salant and the Chofetz Chaim and the Baal Shem Tov walked with me.

I secretly hoped that all of the greats who were just a few hundred yards away would do those legendary acts which our greats are known by.

I hoped they would act as Rav Yisroel would have done by standing up for the pained and broken; those injured through no fault of their own, and that they would cross the street and embrace these sacrifices of God (that) are a broken spirit.


Suddenly, as I stood with Hashem’s beloved and pained children one of the women in our group called out, “Chevra (friends) I think the Asifa may be ending, people should be coming out. Let’s go out and engage them.”


I and entire group looked towards the throngs gathered across the street who were there to be come more like Avrohom Avinu who cared even for Arab wayfarers and brought them into his house.

We looked towards the thousands who heard speaker after speaker arouse the audience to emulate the Satmar Rebbe Zt”l who was known to care for the broken and crushed of his generation.

We hoped and awaited the multitudes that were now encouraged to be more G-dly and caring of the well being of our fellow Jews.


I looked at the woman who made the announcement.

Her eyes were full of hope and anticipation; her whole being felt that perhaps now finally the masses were approaching.

Perhaps the masses had been reawakened and informed about those who are in pain; perhaps a miraculous change in attitude had occurred.

However, as she and all of us looked toward the parking lot, no one looked our way; no one even said hello; they just kept walking as if nobody was there.

The woman lowered her face in disappointment and despair.

A man across the street stopped, turned for a moment to see who was across the street behind the barricades. He quickly looked away and without too much thought began speaking on his cell phone as he walked the steps up to the number 7 line.

The woman, forlorn and forsaken sat back on the pavement; no miracle would occur tonight. She sat down in silence, once again alone .

And I walked on wondering who I am.

Rav Yitzchok Eisenman is a noted Charedi Rabbi and leads Congregation Ahavas Israel in Passaic, NJ. Rabbi Eisenman is a sought after speaker and scholar in residence in many communities throughout the metropolitan area.
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 10:11 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
BusyBeeMommy wrote:
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If you are so innocent, naiive, and sheltered, that a brief exposure to temptation will lead you forever astray into the world of addictions and sin, you need more help than any asifa can ever provide. And also Judaism, the religion of self control and restrictions, is really not for you.

And finally, no. I really don't give a **** if frum men spend their time zera levatalaing to nekkid ladies on the internet. As long as children aren't being abused and wives aren't being beaten, I'm all good- those men can shlug kapores all night long. I'm not losing sleep over it.


And in Judaism there is a concept of never being complacent with oneself and setting up proper guard rails in place.

Don't simplify the issues we have from internet to a bunch of men zera levatala-ing to naked ladies. The internet is enabling infidelity. It's causing young, sweet, pure souls to be exposed to the dredges of impurity. It is ripping families apart due to addictions to benign websites. Parents are more interested in sitting on their computers than in speaking with their children. Even something as simple as facebook causes jealousy among others when they see the pictures people posted about their great vacations or homes and such, painting their life as picture perfect. It is causing those with difficult emotional or mental stress to escape to cyberworld instead of facing their issues head-on and getting help.

Yes, the internet is enabling a lot of good too, and it is needed to pay one's bills or do college homework. THat's why it's not a black and white issue.

Don't put down people who are trying to do whatever they can to protect themselves from something so easy to succumb to. The greater a person is the stronger their evil inclination. Who are you to say that if someone feels they need protection in the form of a filter then they are not great??


How about an asifa about ICE CREAM and DONUTS? Please, don't laugh. It's a very serious matter. ICE CREAM and DONUTS are enabling obesity and diabetes and many other health problems. ICE CREAM and DONUTS are ripping families apart due to addictions. ICE CREAM and DONUTS are causing young pure and innocent children to be exposed to corn syrup. I am more interested in sitting and spending time with ICE CREAM and DONUTS than listing to my whining children. ICE CREAM and DONUTS cause jealousy because I am so jealous of people who can eat ICE CREAM and DONUTS and still look good.


That's called mockery.

We all know that food does not risk harming the spirituality of people as much as a fraction of a fraction of the internet so your argument does not hold up one teensy tiny bit.

Are you in denial about the dangers of the internet?


BusyBee, maybe you can do some research about the dangers of obesity, diabetes, pcos, and other food-related illnesses.

How many people die each year from obesity and diabetes? How many die from the internet?
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
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I wish the Lubavitchers would speak up...


I am proud of chabad with regard to this
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
sequoia wrote:
I wish the Lubavitchers would speak up...


http://www.vosizneias.com/1066.....e-internet

They manage to stay reasonable when others cannot.
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 10:19 pm    Post subject: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 20, 2
 
So where are they on THIS thread?
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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
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So where are they on THIS thread?


Wondering what the fuss is about? I've noticed most Lubavitchers (at least those OOT) tend to be way more...chillax, if you will, than the rest of their chassidic cousins.

ETA: I think the reason why Lubavitchers seems more level headed on this, and less given to hysterics is because of their kiruv work. Many Lubavitchers live OOT and have figured out you don't bring people back with fire and brimstone and they don't have an all or nothing outlook.


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PostPosted: Mon, May 21 2012, 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
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Gryp did.
Any Lubavitchers go?
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PostPosted: Tue, May 22 2012, 3:12 am    Post subject: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 20, 2
 
I have not read the entire thread.

I just wanted to say that while I may be in a community that does things a little differently from what is done in hasidic or yeshivish communities (I am still a little unclear on the target demographic of this lecture), I definitely admire the approach that says:

The external (secular) world does not define our values.
Torah defines our values, and if there is a trend in modern society that threatens those values, we refuse to simply "go with the flow."
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PostPosted: Tue, May 22 2012, 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
DrMom wrote:
I have not read the entire thread.

I just wanted to say that while I may be in a community that does things a little differently from what is done in hasidic or yeshivish communities (I am still a little unclear on the target demographic of this lecture), I definitely admire the approach that says:

The external (secular) world does not define our values.
Torah defines our values, and if there is a trend in modern society that threatens those values, we refuse to simply "go with the flow."


I've heard this attributed to Rav Hirsch on the words, Aseh Torasche keva: Torah is the anchor, it's the lens we view everything else through. As opposed to viewing Torah through other lenses, like science, contemporary values, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue, May 22 2012, 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
marina wrote:
sequoia wrote:
I wish the Lubavitchers would speak up...


I am proud of chabad with regard to this


What do you mean?

They were there too.
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PostPosted: Tue, May 22 2012, 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mandatory Lecture for all Jewish MEN in NYC on MAY 2
 
StripedFlower wrote:
marina wrote:
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I wish the Lubavitchers would speak up...


I am proud of chabad with regard to this


What do you mean?

They were there too.


Many of them have come out against it. Read the links.

And besides. Those rabbis you have decided we all must follow said bye-bye internet. So when are you logging out?
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