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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 3:33 pm    Post subject: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
That was dd's request after she bit into the challah this week.

I am looking for a water challah recipe that is soft fluffy, and not sweet. I have tried so many recipes but have not come across anything that tastes like bakery water challah..

any help?, dd and my self esteem will really appreciate it..
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 3:36 pm    Post subject: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
I have one. I will try to post it later.
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 4:18 pm    Post subject: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
Amish White Bread (from allrecipes.com)
I made this recipe once just to try it, and our first reaction was "This tastes like bakery bread!" Not as much like braided bakery challos, but you know the "challah" that they sell sliced that is lighter and fluffier than the "Jewish" hard-crust, soft-and-chewy-inside bread? That. Very yummy, but I prefer a heavier challah, This one is delicious and lighter than air!

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2 cups warm water (110 degrees F/45 degrees C)
2/3 cup white sugar
1 1/2 tablespoons active dry yeast
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
1/4 cup vegetable oil
6 cups bread flour

Directions
In a large bowl, dissolve the sugar in warm water, and then stir in yeast. Allow to proof until yeast resembles a creamy foam.
Mix salt and oil into the yeast. Mix in flour one cup at a time. Knead dough on a lightly floured surface until smooth. Place in a well oiled bowl, and turn dough to coat. Cover with a damp cloth. Allow to rise until doubled in bulk, about 1 hour.
Punch dough down. Knead for a few minutes, and divide in half. Shape into loaves, and place into two well oiled 9x5 inch loaf pans. Allow to rise for 30 minutes, or until dough has risen 1 inch above pans.
Bake at 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) for 30 minutes.

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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 5:21 pm    Post subject: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
I want to know what bakery you go to that sells half decent challa.
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
smoms wrote:
That was dd's request after she bit into the challah this week.

I am looking for a water challah recipe that is soft fluffy, and not sweet. I have tried so many recipes but have not come across anything that tastes like bakery water challah..

any help?, dd and my self esteem will really appreciate it..


If it helps you at all: I made a huge, delicious pot of fresh chicken soup. Served it for supper. DS asked, "Mom, can I have a noodle soup instead?" (Y'know, those MSG filled instant cups of soup!) He's lucky I love him;)
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
TranquilityAndPeace wrote:
smoms wrote:
That was dd's request after she bit into the challah this week.

I am looking for a water challah recipe that is soft fluffy, and not sweet. I have tried so many recipes but have not come across anything that tastes like bakery water challah..

any help?, dd and my self esteem will really appreciate it..


If it helps you at all: I made a huge, delicious pot of fresh chicken soup. Served it for supper. DS asked, "Mom, can I have a noodle soup instead?" (Y'know, those MSG filled instant cups of soup!) He's lucky I love him;)


yeah my kids like instant soup better then homemade. Maybe if I would fill mine with msg they would like it.
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 7:19 pm    Post subject: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
I don't know if it will help you. I made a recipe this week that my kids and I really, really liked, but I think dh prefers the bakery style water challah.

I used this recipe:
http://www.thekosherchannel.com/water-challah-recipe.html

I put about 11 teaspoons kosher salt, and about 3/4 c sugar. I also punched it down a few times during rising. It came out really really good. If I make it Friday, I freeze the ones for the next day and take it out first thing in the morning to defrost.

I wonder if using less sugar would make it more like the bakeries which I think is less sweet than egg challah.

Here is a smaller recipe I used to make:

10 cups flour
3 cups water
1/2 cup sugar
2 Tbsp dry yeast
2 Tbsp kosher salt
1/3 cup oil
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
TranquilityAndPeace wrote:
smoms wrote:
That was dd's request after she bit into the challah this week.

I am looking for a water challah recipe that is soft fluffy, and not sweet. I have tried so many recipes but have not come across anything that tastes like bakery water challah..

any help?, dd and my self esteem will really appreciate it..


If it helps you at all: I made a huge, delicious pot of fresh chicken soup. Served it for supper. DS asked, "Mom, can I have a noodle soup instead?" (Y'know, those MSG filled instant cups of soup!) He's lucky I love him;)



Very Happy this makes me feel better!
to finish the story, dh gave dd a look and she very quickly added 'also'. I was impressed at her quick fix (she's 7) but that didn't make the challah any better.
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 7:32 pm    Post subject: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
is it so terrible to buy challah every so often ?
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
Simple1 wrote:
I don't know if it will help you. I made a recipe this week that my kids and I really, really liked, but I think dh prefers the bakery style water challah.

I used this recipe:
http://www.thekosherchannel.com/water-challah-recipe.html

I put about 11 teaspoons kosher salt, and about 3/4 c sugar. I also punched it down a few times during rising. It came out really really good. If I make it Friday, I freeze the ones for the next day and take it out first thing in the morning to defrost.

I wonder if using less sugar would make it more like the bakeries which I think is less sweet than egg challah.

Here is a smaller recipe I used to make:

10 cups flour
3 cups water
1/2 cup sugar
2 Tbsp dry yeast
2 Tbsp kosher salt
1/3 cup oil




I'm intrigued my the kosher channel recipe. Thanks! at 3/4 cup sugar, how sweet would you rate it? I would try it with half cup or less?
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 7:36 pm    Post subject: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
I buy challah all the time..I guess thats why I want to replicate that taste. I actually asked the bakery.. no they did not divulge the recipe
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
smoms wrote:
Simple1 wrote:
I don't know if it will help you. I made a recipe this week that my kids and I really, really liked, but I think dh prefers the bakery style water challah.

I used this recipe:
http://www.thekosherchannel.com/water-challah-recipe.html

I put about 11 teaspoons kosher salt, and about 3/4 c sugar. I also punched it down a few times during rising. It came out really really good. If I make it Friday, I freeze the ones for the next day and take it out first thing in the morning to defrost.

I wonder if using less sugar would make it more like the bakeries which I think is less sweet than egg challah.

Here is a smaller recipe I used to make:

10 cups flour
3 cups water
1/2 cup sugar
2 Tbsp dry yeast
2 Tbsp kosher salt
1/3 cup oil




I'm intrigued my the kosher channel recipe. Thanks! at 3/4 cup sugar, how sweet would you rate it? I would try it with half cup or less?


Firstly, I don't know for sure if it was 3/4 cup - I tried to go in between the recommended 1/2-1 cup.

How sweet? I wouldn't call it sweet, but maybe very mildly sweet enough to give it a pleasant taste - but maybe I'm not making sense, because it really depends on personal taste. I think my dh likes something that's not sweet and would like to try something with almost no sugar.

Also I think I read somewhere here that the bakeries use different equipment and methods not available at home. I still personally prefer the "home baked" taste even though (or because) it's different.

And I've noticed the texture of bakery water challah varies depending on the bakery - it can be dense and chewy or light, airy and crusty.
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
Raisin wrote:
I want to know what bakery you go to that sells half decent challa.



actually, in all of BP, I only know two..
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 7:51 pm    Post subject: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
We love Gross bakery water challah. I never bake, but many times I get homebaked challas from relatives and friends. They are good, but we still favor the Gross water challa.
Many years ago when my mother AH baked fresh challa every Friday, we ate them fresh right when we came home from school. She baked for the mitzva and didn't get insulted when we went out and bought Gross challas from the bakery almost 20 blocks away from our house! Her challas tasted like cake, and we loved them hot and fresh. For Shabbos it had to be the hard crunchy Gross water challa, and we still love them to this day.
Soup is the same story, they all seem to love those cups of soup, but I explain to them to stay away for their own health. Most of the time, they see that my soup is also delicious. And much healthier.
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 7:56 pm    Post subject: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
aahh ..we loved Gross's challah too...

funny...when we used to go to my mil for shabbos.. we once took along a gross challah and kind of slyly snuck it in under the challah cover so mil shouldn't notice...only did it once though..

I wish I can get my hands on that recipe!
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
smoms wrote:
TranquilityAndPeace wrote:
smoms wrote:
That was dd's request after she bit into the challah this week.

I am looking for a water challah recipe that is soft fluffy, and not sweet. I have tried so many recipes but have not come across anything that tastes like bakery water challah..

any help?, dd and my self esteem will really appreciate it..


If it helps you at all: I made a huge, delicious pot of fresh chicken soup. Served it for supper. DS asked, "Mom, can I have a noodle soup instead?" (Y'know, those MSG filled instant cups of soup!) He's lucky I love him;)



Very Happy this makes me feel better!
to finish the story, dh gave dd a look and she very quickly added 'also'. I was impressed at her quick fix (she's 7) but that didn't make the challah any better.


Sorry to hijack this topic, just want to add: I ran out of salt when I served a pretty salt-less soup last week. The kids were upset that we had no salt, so I took onion soup mix out of the pantry, and they were all pleased to eat that. Later I see 11-year-old DS pouring onion soup mix on his plate, and spooning it into his mouth, plain! And he says, "Can you buy me a container of this just for me?"

(Btw, I love buying salt! What else can you buy for 79 cents that lasts for three months!)

Good luck with your challah!
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 11:46 pm    Post subject: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
My MIL makes a delishes thick crunchy crust Challah recipe. It has egg in it but tastes like the bakery ones IMO.
(We like Gross's and Shloime's (both in BP) bakery Challah, if you want a reference. We buy the regular ones. I don't think they are specifically water Challa.)
I can pull out the recipe for you if you'd like.
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 1:04 am    Post subject: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
The problem with homemade challah is rarely the recipe, it's how you make it. The only really important thing is that you use high gluten flour and I find fresh yeast is a million times better than dry. Make sure you are getting high bubbles from your yeast and sugar mixture. After that what I do is bake it at 350, when it's nicely browned then I remove it from the pans and put it directly on the rack and continue baking for about 10 minutes but at a higher temperature. This way the entire challah will become crusty on the outside but will stay soft in the inside. Remove and let cool on something metal. Do not let it cool down on towels or in the pans as this will soften it up.

I hate to brag but I make the best challah ever Smug (which I'm only mentioning so that you should trust my method here).
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 4:55 am    Post subject: Re: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
Merrymom wrote:
The problem with homemade challah is rarely the recipe, it's how you make it. The only really important thing is that you use high gluten flour and I find fresh yeast is a million times better than dry. Make sure you are getting high bubbles from your yeast and sugar mixture. After that what I do is bake it at 350, when it's nicely browned then I remove it from the pans and put it directly on the rack and continue baking for about 10 minutes but at a higher temperature. This way the entire challah will become crusty on the outside but will stay soft in the inside. Remove and let cool on something metal. Do not let it cool down on towels or in the pans as this will soften it up.

I hate to brag but I make the best challah ever Smug (which I'm only mentioning so that you should trust my method here).


everyone loves my challa (really) and I only use dry yeast. Maybe I'll try fresh one week and see if it makes a difference. I can't stand too crusty challa though. I use strong flour and always make it fresh on friday. I tried a bunch of recipes and now use devorah hellers recipe.

Most bakery challa is dry and too crusty ime. Even though the other stuff the bakeries make is much better.
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 6:09 am    Post subject: re: Mom, can we have bakery challah next week??
 
with 3/4 cup of sugar in a 10 cup flour recipe it would not be sweet at all!
I put 1/2 a cup in a 4 cup flour recipe and thats hardly sweet or just sweet enough.
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