New Square Shaul Spitzer gets 7 years jail!!!!!!!!!!!

Gold Member Joined: Nov 17 2010 Posts: 1015

If the rebbe had the cash to "incentivize" Mr. Rotenberg's asking for leniency for Spitzer, where was all this money when the poor man just wanted to be able to sell his house and move away from said community? It seems to me that making an extremely generous offer on the house would have been a win-win scenario for everyone, from the Rotenberg family on down. Crying or Very sad

Platinum Member Joined: Nov 04 2008 Posts: 7912

Arcy, we understand that's how it is, but that's not how it should be.
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Silver Member Joined: Nov 08 2009 Posts: 732

Yes, the people that are familiar the way NS runs are hurting. Others really needed to pay the price so the people can breath easier in that place. Dunno how much Spitzer sent behind bars will accomplish for the real problems there because he is a pawn in their game and was thrown under the bus. I believe it will do something, but not enough. We shall see.

What Spitzer did was terrible. No one is denying that. However, I have so much rachmonos on him because he acted as a teenager who doesn't think of his consequences especially that his actions emanated from the 'hits' that was going on in that atmosphere. I cannot help thinking of the ones who had a hand in this, what they are thinking and feeling now. In a way, we didn't see a trial which would have enabled us to get more facts and info of what went on.

The money that you are discussing is actually a settlement of the lawsuit that Rottenberg filed against the Rebbe and Spitzer separately for $18m each. He got about $2.3m.

As much as you think that 7 yrs is a light sentence (which technically it is), I feel one yr, or even 6 months is enough to teach this boy a lesson. Mark me on this one, he will NEVER do this again. The fact that a sheltered 18 yr old bochor had to stand before a judge is enough to scare him for life. The ones who must stay behind bars are the ones who are a danger to society.

Its just so sad.

Platinum Member Joined: Nov 04 2008 Posts: 7912

Wow, it's like the bochrim in Japan all over again.

People are still responsible...

And if drug dealing can be theoretically ascribed to ignorance, there is no way attempted murder can be excused away in the same manner. Quite simply, religion aside, "the moral law within me" (Kant) ought to tell me that murdering a family in their beds is wrong.

Platinum Member Joined: Jul 27 2007 Posts: 14747

He "acted as a teenager"? Didn't know better? I have a 13 year old and if he tried to burn a family to death, you can bet I wouldn't expect people to excuse it. Look at your kids, would they do such a thing?

He's an animal and should have been sent away for longer. Those who encouraged such behavior are evil as well, but you can't prosecute them unless they actually do anything. I hope they're being closely watched.

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Diamond Member Joined: May 20 2007 Posts: 2838

No one disagrees that there is a bigger picture here and horrible things going on from higher up. But COME ON! To say that this is an innocent bachur being brainwashed is NUTS. A five year old understands that you don't burn down a house and kill a sleeping family. At 18 he is an adult. Tell me he is brainwashed to hate the family, maybe to throw things or spraypaint, and that is bad enough. but to set fire to a house with people inside? He is a danger to society and needs major help.

Diamond Member Joined: May 20 2007 Posts: 2838

Sheltered bachurim don't try to set fires. They sit in yeshiva and learn. Sorry. This kid has issues and I hope he is sent for help before he is let loose on the streets again. What if he decides that I or my neighbor (G-d forbid) are against his Rebbe?

From everything I am reading, the NS community sounds like a dangerous cult.

Diamond Member Joined: Jan 14 2011 Posts: 2726

in order to illustrate a point here, I have to use an example. I will use the example of intimacy. intimacy can be the most beautiful, spiritual, uplifting experience. however, used incorrectly, it can become the most ugly, destructive force. I don't think I need to explain more than that on this board of mature adult women, but just to drive the point home, when a married woman sleeps with a man other than her husband, or a married man goes to various women and pays them for their services, this beautiful act has become defiled and disgusting, as they are using it incorrectly.

this is how I feel about rachmanus. rachmanus is a most beautiful middah. it is one of the middos that separates the jews from the other nations. however, used incorrectly, rachmanus can become the most disgusting and destructive thing on earth. that is what I'm feeling reading some of these posts. misplaced rachmanus isn't actually rachmanus at all; it is cruelty.

I still shudder when I remember how I felt last may, reading about a jewish boy who tried to murder another jewish family in their sleep. I couldn't sleep for days, haunted by thoughts of what could have happened, and how a jewish community and a jewish boy could have become murderers. and now again I am sickened by other jews trying to defend his actions.

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Active Poster Joined: Aug 22 2011 Age: 25 Posts: 68

BTW, I heard that the rebbe gave a shiur the next day to all the bachurim that he was extemely upset about this...

They may be extreme but I don't think they say to murder people that don't follow what they say. They may not praise it but encouraging murder?!

I think the boy has major, major anger and impulsive issues that are not under control...

Active Poster Joined: Aug 22 2011 Age: 25 Posts: 68

So tell me, who runs the place, him or his PR's?

Active Poster Joined: Aug 22 2011 Age: 25 Posts: 68

Sorry don't yet know how to quote you but who are his PR's? I really don't think he encourages murder!!

Diamond Member Joined: Jan 24 2010 Posts: 3399

Are we still talking about the US in the 21st century? Al Capone would be very proud.