Ashkenazim, kitniyos, and kitniyos derivatives (and kids)

Active Poster Joined: Mar 14 2005 Posts: 61

seraph wrote:
It certainly is. There is a rabbi with a minority opinion that decided that israel is a sfardi country, so minhag hamakom is to eat kitniyos and therefore all people who move here can. That definitely isnt how most rabbonim hold, certainly not any chareidi ones.

The rationale is not that these poskim are considering E"Y a "sepharadi" country (if anything, the majority of Jews here are mizrachi, not sepharadi), but rather that the minhag E"Y (not based on the makeup of the eidot who effected kibbutz galuyot over the last 50 yrs) is to permit kitniyot. As per the Machon Shilo website:

Rabbi Bar-Hayim uses sources in the Mishnah and Gemara to demonstrate that customs are connected to the place where one resides and are not simply packed up like household items to be relocated in a new place of residence.

�The original kitniyot ban was for the Jews of Ashkenaz, or the Rhineland,� notes the Rabbi.
�It was probably erroneous for these Jews to take this custom with them to other areas like the United States where there was no local custom, and certainly erroneous for them to bring it to the Land of Israel where the practice throughout the ages was to eat kitniyot. Eating kitniyot during the holiday is the true custom of our forefathers in the holy land. Rice was even included on the Seder plates of antiquity.�

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My parents used to use Cottonseed or Sunflower oil until approx 8 years ago when their Rav paskened that it shouldn't be used due to kitniyos. And IIRC it stopped carrying a reliable KLP hechsher. They now use Walnut or Hazelnut oils.

I think when CM stated that they don't share food she probably meant on Pesach. In many Charedi circles people are careful to eat only their own food, or that of family, on Pesach. Having said that I would never offer a child (that is not a relative) any snack other then fruit without knowing the family's minhagim.

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Gold Member Joined: Dec 30 2008 Posts: 1154

Actually, Seraph, what you were saying about Sephardim keeping Ashkenazic customs based on their locale is not so far-fetched. When we asked a rav last year about whether or not we could drop the no kitniyot custom, he told us that had we aligned ourselves with the Sephardic community in KY when we moved here, it wouldn't be a problem at all. So where and among whom you live does carry some weight when it comes to minhagim.
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Imamother Post from 200 years from now:

I was just reading some old posts where people claimed that peanut oil once had a hechsher for Pesach. And these were supposed to be frum women! What kind of drugs were they on?

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I do not know about DL circles in EY, but I do know that in chareidi circles in EY and mainstream frum (including most MO people I know) circles in the US, people do NOT presently use oils made from kitniyos. They do not use soy, peanut or canola oils. In the US the main oil used is cottonseed which US poskim hold is not kitniyos. In EY I know that they do not use cottonseed oil, but even then, I do not believe (but am not sure) that they hold it is actually kitniyos either. In EY, the chareidi community mainly uses walnut oil or olive oil.

In the US, as I said, cottonseed oil is commonly used and other popular oils are hazelnut oil, safflower oil and olive oil.

So mandksima, ora, hinda rochel, imamama and whoever else said that they do use kitniyos oil, did you always use kitniyos oil, or was this something you started doing in the past few years?