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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 11:27 am Post subject: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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I mean...you don't have to tell ME. A good number--if not most--of my favorite names aren't Tanachi names. Nechama, Meira, Shoshana, Chaya, Rina...etc.
But I keep having theoretical conversations with my husband, who is convinced we're going to end up having a million girls, and he only wants to use Tanachi names. Because it's "nicer." So there go my favorite names, plus there are only, like, three that we can agree on (Elisheva, Avigail, and Miriam, I think). He was dead-set on Rut, but my grandmother is Ruth so that's out...and I'm trying to convince him to widen the pool to more than the above-mentioned three names. I don't really know how to convince him that non-Tanachi names are also legit. Help?
Otherwise, are there some really obscure biblical names I hadn't thought of that are sort of similar to the ones I like? (We prefer not to name after people who are known mainly for "bad" things, so for example Tamar and Batsheva are out.)
(I'm focusing on girls' names because that's where most of the problem lies...there are many Tanachi boy names to choose from.
Not anon because I'm a name geek and this is only theoretical, so hold the b'sha'a tovas
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 11:45 am Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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| Why don't you wait until you need a fourth girls name to dwell on it? Also, what if you call a girl by one of his names and one of yours. Then you can compromise on a nickname...
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 11:48 am Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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| Nope, he also doesn't like double names.
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 11:52 am Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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what about names from nouns in tanach? my friend just used ayla. _________________ Never mistake activity for achievement.
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 11:52 am Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 11:55 am Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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saw50st8: what's Ayla mean and where is it? Also, I'd be very surprised if none of my favorites were words in Tanach, so apparently that's not okay either.
Ruchel: Yes, I know. Actually, there are some Yiddish and Aramaic names I would really like to use, but if I can't even convince him of Hebrew/non-Tanachi, I don't even want to touch other languages....
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:10 pm Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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for some reason, my very yeshivish BIL tends to think there are also nicer and somewhat frummer.
but I think there are some tanach names which are "non tanachi" sounding in my opinion, such as michal, rachel (NOT rochel), Yael, etc. maybe he would be ok with some of those
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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| esheschayil wrote: |
(We prefer not to name after people who are known mainly for "bad" things, so for example Tamar and Batsheva are out.)
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Hold it.
Tamar and Batsheva were both nashim tzidkanios and wonderful women in Tanach. One doesn't merit to have Malchos Yehudah come from one's descendents if one was 'bad'. Tamar is the epitome of modesty: she chose to let herself be killed rather than announce to the public that Yehudah had erred.
As for Batsheva, same thing applied. She was 100% divorced from Uriel; she had a get, she did NOTHING wrong. Pull open a Sefer Melachim and read about how Shlomo was promised the melucha after Dovid Hamelech passed on, because Batsheva DID NOTHING WRONG.
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:15 pm Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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Have this feeling u'll have more boys coming ur way! But y'know what.. really interesting.. I'll follow up to see responses.!
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:17 pm Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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We are also a fan of Tanachi names (though we haven't used them exclusively) - there is something special for a child knowing they were called after a tzaddik (though, of course, that doesn't have to be from Tanach). Also, although other names are widely used, they are still later - one of the reasons we came out of Egypt was 'shelo shinu shemotam'.
If you already have three names at this stage, I wouldn't worry. Some people don't have one when they already have to name a baby.
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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| esheschayil wrote: | saw50st8: what's Ayla mean and where is it? Also, I'd be very surprised if none of my favorites were words in Tanach, so apparently that's not okay either.
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A word is not a name. But Ayala is the name of the Shechina haKedosha, but it still isn't a Tanachi name...
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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| shalhevet wrote: | | esheschayil wrote: | saw50st8: what's Ayla mean and where is it? Also, I'd be very surprised if none of my favorites were words in Tanach, so apparently that's not okay either.
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A word is not a name. But Ayala is the name of the Shechina haKedosha, but it still isn't a Tanachi name... |
How do you think people in Tanach were named? Nouns, verbs....they made them into names.
Ayla means tree - I forget what kind. It was in the parsha the week her daughter was born.
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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| saw50st8 wrote: | | shalhevet wrote: | | esheschayil wrote: | saw50st8: what's Ayla mean and where is it? Also, I'd be very surprised if none of my favorites were words in Tanach, so apparently that's not okay either.
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A word is not a name. But Ayala is the name of the Shechina haKedosha, but it still isn't a Tanachi name... |
How do you think people in Tanach were named? Nouns, verbs....they made them into names. |
They had nevua/ ruach hakodesh - they didn't just choose any word. That is the point - I know some rabbonim say many popular names are not names at all - just words. A name has a koach/ tafkid (power/ role in life) which comes with it. A word is just a word, even if it appears in the Tanach.
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:36 pm Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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| What does it mean Tanachi sounding?
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:44 pm Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:46 pm Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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do the people who won't use Tamar or Bassheva also not use Yehuda or David? (both of them were just as if not more guilty)
Unless you are thinking about the Tamar who was raped. (she didn't do anything wrong but not a pleasant connotation I guess)
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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| Ruchel wrote: | | What does it mean Tanachi sounding? |
she means chareidi sounding names. ie tanachi names that were popular 100 years ago.
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 12:50 pm Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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| Thanks Raisin. But then we could say Yiddish names sound Tanachi, and certainly classics used throughout history by all edot like Rachel?
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 1:01 pm Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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You couldn't agree on Sarah, Rivka, Rachel and Leah?
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Posted: Mon, Jan 16 2012, 1:16 pm Post subject: re: What's wrong with non-Tanachi names? |
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This is an interesting discussion. We didn't pick names we liked, but named after relatives (and only used names we liked, of course). I guess it's a bracha to know our ancestors names, though not necessarily a bracha if too many names become available too soon.
Of those names, now that I think of it, a surprising number do appear in Tanach, but by no means deliberate on our part. _________________ The righteous praise and honor people for every good quality that is found in them while the wicked seek out faults in others to pull them down, even if they repented those deeds. (Rabbeinu Yonah, from Partners in Kindness)
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