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| Posted: Fri, Nov 11 2011, 4:43 pm Post subject: re: Antisemitism in Flatbush! |
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Hashem Yerachem! Shoa survivors keep saying is like 1930's lo aleinu .... 
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 12 2011, 7:21 pm Post subject: re: Antisemitism in Flatbush! |
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| This happened on my grandmother's block. Just terrible...
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 12 2011, 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: re: Antisemitism in Flatbush! |
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| shlomitsmum wrote: | | Hashem Yerachem! Shoa survivors keep saying is like 1930's lo aleinu .... | They're wrong. It's nothing like that. Defacing property is not the same, as unpleasant as it is.
People need to stop pulling out the Holocaust for non-Holocaust situations. Even survivors.
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 12 2011, 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: re: Antisemitism in Flatbush! |
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| Clarissa wrote: | | shlomitsmum wrote: | | Hashem Yerachem! Shoa survivors keep saying is like 1930's lo aleinu .... | They're wrong. It's nothing like that. Defacing property is not the same, as unpleasant as it is.
People need to stop pulling out the Holocaust for non-Holocaust situations. Even survivors. |
You might be right -- you probably are -- but it's still an inescapable, changeless fact -- it started with property destruction.
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 12 2011, 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: re: Antisemitism in Flatbush! |
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| Clarissa wrote: | | shlomitsmum wrote: | | Hashem Yerachem! Shoa survivors keep saying is like 1930's lo aleinu .... | They're wrong. It's nothing like that. Defacing property is not the same, as unpleasant as it is.
People need to stop pulling out the Holocaust for non-Holocaust situations. Even survivors. |
Many Shoah survivors are very hurt by a comparison. My dad says it is NOTHING like the pre Shoah!
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 12 2011, 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: re: Antisemitism in Flatbush! |
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| sequoia wrote: | | Clarissa wrote: | | shlomitsmum wrote: | | Hashem Yerachem! Shoa survivors keep saying is like 1930's lo aleinu .... | They're wrong. It's nothing like that. Defacing property is not the same, as unpleasant as it is.
People need to stop pulling out the Holocaust for non-Holocaust situations. Even survivors. |
You might be right -- you probably are -- but it's still an inescapable, changeless fact -- it started with property destruction. | That's like saying that, when a potential enemy attacks a military target, it's the beginning of WWIII because that's how WWII started. The fact that they wrote KKK just means it's some obnoxious troublemakers, probably, so I shouldn't even use the WWII example. Some kids (or even adults) with spray cans doth not a Holocaust make.
As I said, I don't like the use of the Holocaust all the time. It trivializes the reality of the Holocaust. Someone needs to tell Glenn Beck that, by the way.
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 12 2011, 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: re: Antisemitism in Flatbush! |
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| sequoia wrote: | | Clarissa wrote: | | shlomitsmum wrote: | | Hashem Yerachem! Shoa survivors keep saying is like 1930's lo aleinu .... | They're wrong. It's nothing like that. Defacing property is not the same, as unpleasant as it is.
People need to stop pulling out the Holocaust for non-Holocaust situations. Even survivors. |
You might be right -- you probably are -- but it's still an inescapable, changeless fact -- it started with property destruction. |
Right. The bolded statement is right.
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| The overall IQ level of the board has been raised a bit by Clarissa's return.
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| marina wrote: | | The overall IQ level of the board has been raised a bit by Clarissa's return. | Aw, shucks.
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the people who are saying this is like krystalnacht are usually older survivors who gets very scared by this sort of thing. I think they have that right.
the younger people dont usually say this.
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| ysmommy wrote: | the people who are saying this is like krystalnacht are usually older survivors who gets very scared by this sort of thing. I think they have that right.
the younger people dont usually say this. | I'm a child of survivors, and believe me, they don't say stuff like this. They know the difference between the actual Holocaust and things that have nothing to do with it.
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| Posted: Sun, Nov 13 2011, 12:12 am Post subject: Re: re: Antisemitism in Flatbush! |
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| Clarissa wrote: | | shlomitsmum wrote: | | Hashem Yerachem! Shoa survivors keep saying is like 1930's lo aleinu .... | They're wrong. It's nothing like that. Defacing property is not the same, as unpleasant as it is.
People need to stop pulling out the Holocaust for non-Holocaust situations. Even survivors. |
I can understand your view. I think what some people feel is that things will get worse for Jews everywhere before they get better...we've been comfortable in the good ole US of A for a long time, who do you think will be blamed for the economic problems?? In Europe also..it was the JEWSSSS..
Glad to see you, haven't 'spoken' a looong time, I doubt you remember me lol.
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| Clarissa wrote: | | ysmommy wrote: | the people who are saying this is like krystalnacht are usually older survivors who gets very scared by this sort of thing. I think they have that right.
the younger people dont usually say this. | I'm a child of survivors, and believe me, they don't say stuff like this. They know the difference between the actual Holocaust and things that have nothing to do with it. |
I guess you would know better than me, its just that anytime someone has said something like that to me it was an older person who went through the war. this is all how things started in Europe so maybe they think its a beginning of the end...andnot an isolated incedent
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| Posted: Sun, Nov 13 2011, 3:47 am Post subject: Re: re: Antisemitism in Flatbush! |
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| sequoia wrote: | | Clarissa wrote: | | shlomitsmum wrote: | | Hashem Yerachem! Shoa survivors keep saying is like 1930's lo aleinu .... | They're wrong. It's nothing like that. Defacing property is not the same, as unpleasant as it is.
People need to stop pulling out the Holocaust for non-Holocaust situations. Even survivors. |
You might be right -- you probably are -- but it's still an inescapable, changeless fact -- it started with property destruction. |
Thanx ! this is what I ment .....I hang out with seniors DD visits them we Know at least 5 .they hear radio ,and see OWS people spreading hatred .
Read this...
Words by Rebetzin Esther Jungreis
Yes, I`m afraid. When I say these words, most people do not understand, and they attribute my fears to the fact that I am a survivor and live in the shadow of my Holocaust experiences. Still others attribute my fears to "overreaction", and assure themselves that everything is okay, that there is nothing to worry about. "Fear", they rationalize, is a Jewish neurosis, identified with past generations, when our people lived in the darkness of the ghetto.
But today, things are different. Today, we live in the United States, a free, democratic country, in which all people have the right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..” And more, for the very first time in almost two thousand years, we have our own State and because of that, there is nothing to fear. I wish that I could be as confident as they, but I smell the noxious fumes of pre-Holocaust Europe, and so I write and speak wherever I can. It is not Hamas or the Moslem Brotherhood, nor for that matter, Ahmadinejad that I fear. Nor do I fear the United Nations, an institution notorious for its despicable hypocrisy and anti-Israel bias. I do not fear the sophisticated, intellectuals who camouflage their hatred of Jews behind politically correct pseudonyms that mis-lead all too willing ears, but what I do fear is our own people – yes, our own people who have forgotten who we are, who no longer remember that we stood at Sinai, that we heard the voice of G-d, that we belong to a priestly kingdom, a holy nation and that everything that befalls us is choreographed by Hashem, and is a reflection of our own deeds, our own hands.
To be sure, there is nothing new about all this. It is a “Truth” that is a very pillar of our faith and is inscribed for all eternity in G-d’s Book – the Torah. The warning screams out to us from almost every portion, yet we refuse to heed it. How can it be that we, the nation that is so brilliant, is so blind? How can it be that after thousands of years, we still fail to understand?
Our history is constant replay – again and again, tragedies befall us, yet we refuse to comprehend. It could all be so simple if we would all be willing to understand. But no matter how unbearable our pain, how agonizing our suffering, we continue to reject it. Every day, a Bas Kol – a Heavenly Voice calls us, but we choose to remain deaf. We have shed our Priestly garments and no longer recognize ourselves.
Time and again G-d sends His prophets to remind us that our destiny is different from that of all other nations, that our very existence is directly linked to our adherence to G-d’s commandments. Hashem has guaranteed our eternity, for we, the Jewish people have been chosen to be His witnesses, but tragically, we fail to see the glory of our calling, and that is the painful reality of our long, tormented exile. We have seen mighty nations come and go, rise, only to fall, but even as we have endured and triumphed,....but it’s all to no avail. We continue to remain obdurate.
Even as a young child in Bergen Belsen, I was aware of this Truth. My saintly father, HaRav Avraham Halevi Jungreis, Z’tl, embedded it in my heart and soul. But I could never have imagined that, before I would see the dawn, six million of our people would be consumed in the flames. Despite it all however, by the grace of G-d, not only are we here, but we have reinvented ourselves. We have given new life to the great academies of Torah that once shone so brightly throughout the shtetlach of Europe, and we have returned and rebuilt our ancient land. We have brought new life to the barren wasteland. We have planted gardens and forests, and despite the constant barrages of missiles and rockets, we redeemed our land. Yes, miraculously, we did it all and yet we still failed to see G-d’s guiding Hand.
As I said, I smell the noxious fumes of pre-Hitler Europe. Once again, the nations are bent on swallowing us, and, as always, there is no one to come to our aid, no one to even raise a voice on our behalf. Once again, we are reminded of the eternal words of our Torah: “They are a people that dwells alone and not reckoned among the nations.”....”We are like one lamb surrounded by seventy wolves” – all to remind us that our salvation can come from only One source – AVINU SH’BASHAMAYIM – our Heavenly Father.
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Another quote... by the Rebbetzin.
"As you my readers know, I am a survivor of the Holocaust. I smell the toxic fumes that assailed us in pre-Hitler Europe, but not only has our generation lost its ability to see, to hear, but we have also lost our sense of smell, so as the toxic fumes assail our nostrils, we fall asleep and become oblivious.
I have just touched upon a few events that must give us pause, but trust me, my friends, there is much, much more. When will we realize that there is no one to help us – that in the entire world there is no one to even raise a voice on our behalf. We, the Jewish people are like one little lamb among 70 ferocious wolves who stand ready to pounce upon us and totally devour us.
There is only One source of help for us, only One support, and that is our Heavenly Father, the Almighty G-d. From time immemorial, He has saved us from their clutches. We need not fear.. We need only turn to Him – and if we do so, not only will He answer us, but He will take our hands and lead us through the dense darkness that looms menacingly before us."
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| Posted: Sun, Nov 13 2011, 3:59 am Post subject: Re: re: Antisemitism in Flatbush! |
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| Clarissa wrote: | | shlomitsmum wrote: | | Hashem Yerachem! Shoa survivors keep saying is like 1930's lo aleinu .... | They're wrong. It's nothing like that. Defacing property is not the same, as unpleasant as it is.
People need to stop pulling out the Holocaust for non-Holocaust situations. Even survivors. |
The defining moment of the beginning of the Holocaust was an act of vandalism...Kristalnacht...
When Sigmund Freuds books were burned, not just because they were controversial, but because their author was a Jew, Freud said "At least they are burning my books and not burning me." A few years later, Freud's family was burned...
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| Clarissa wrote: | | ysmommy wrote: | the people who are saying this is like krystalnacht are usually older survivors who gets very scared by this sort of thing. I think they have that right.
the younger people dont usually say this. | I'm a child of survivors, and believe me, they don't say stuff like this. They know the difference between the actual Holocaust and things that have nothing to do with it. |
Please don't speak for ALL survivors ....I was just reacting and sharing what I heard from at least 5 survivors I know. I was not making it up ,like you make it sound!
Is rebbetzin Jungreis not entitled to feel and share her fears with the Klal...
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| Posted: Sun, Nov 13 2011, 4:08 am Post subject: re: Antisemitism in Flatbush! |
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I don't see how one can fault survivors for feeling that these incidents, however minor, bring old memories and fears back to the forefront.
Think about it - for victims of abuse, even positive s-xual experiences can have that effect, negative ones kal vachomer.
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