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Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 8:51 pm Post subject: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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I got this email:
Why We Can't Comment
Thank you for signing the petition "Call an
Investigation into Allegations of Prosecutorial &
Judicial Misconduct in the Case of Sholom
Rubashkin." We appreciate your participation in the
We the People platform on WhiteHouse.gov.
As explained in the We the People Terms of
Participation, the White House may at times decline
to comment on certain specific matters properly
within the jurisdiction of federal departments or
agencies, federal courts, or state and local
governments in its response to a petition. For
important policy reasons, this includes specific law
enforcement and judicial ethics matters. With
respect to law enforcement matters, the Department
of Justice is charged with investigating crime and
enforcing our laws. The Department also has
mechanisms in place to investigate allegations of
prosecutorial misconduct, including through its
Office of Professional Responsibility. With respect
to judicial ethics matters, the Judicial Conduct and
Disability Act of 1980 vests primary responsibility
for investigating and adjudicating claims of judicial
misconduct with the Judicial Branch.
This petition calls for an investigation into
allegations of prosecutorial and judicial misconduct
in the case of Sholom Rubashkin and for action to
correct the “gross injustice” in his case. For the
reasons given above, the White House declines to
comment on matters raised by this petition.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 9:03 pm Post subject: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| I got that email too. I think it just means that it "Cant comment" not that they're not doing anything about it. I guess we'll see if our actions get rewarded.
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| I hope you're right and they will do something!
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Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 9:14 pm Post subject: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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Actually, the way I'm reading it is that this is not the avenue that is going to bring S. Rubashkin's release (not that they are doing something but cannot talk about it).
There was a disclaimer as such on the site the whole time, I believe.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 10:22 pm Post subject: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| It was mentioned a few times on one or more of the threads asking people to sign the petition that they would not intervene in a case like his.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 10:48 pm Post subject: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| Typical Obama. Dangles change but doesn't follow through.
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Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 10:54 pm Post subject: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| We can petition the real Judge, especially if we do so with achdus
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Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| groisamomma wrote: | | Typical Obama. Dangles change but doesn't follow through. | Huh? Obama dangled change? By what, saying that the White House would look at petitions? That's not a promise to actually do whatever the petition is requesting. Read the response:
"As explained in the We the People Terms of
Participation, the White House may at times decline
to comment on certain specific matters properly
within the jurisdiction of federal departments or
agencies, federal courts, or state and local
governments in its response to a petition."
Anybody who read the site before starting the petition would have known that this outcome (not commenting on this matter) was the most likely one.
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Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 7:28 am Post subject: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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Right. Who thought this was a good idea exactly?
(Actaully, I don't get this whole white house petition thing. I'd like to see a single piece of legislation that comes out of it.)
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Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 8:03 am Post subject: Re: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| ally wrote: | Right. Who thought this was a good idea exactly?
(Actaully, I don't get this whole white house petition thing. I'd like to see a single piece of legislation that comes out of it.) | At least we know we tried. Otherwise we would never have known if it just might have worked. _________________ hadasa. One 'h', one 's'.
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Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 8:10 am Post subject: Re: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| hadasa wrote: | | ally wrote: | Right. Who thought this was a good idea exactly?
(Actaully, I don't get this whole white house petition thing. I'd like to see a single piece of legislation that comes out of it.) | At least we know we tried. Otherwise we would never have known if it just might have worked. |
As far as I understand, one of the basic tenets of democracy is the non-interference of the government with the judiciary - The only exception being presidential pardons. So I really don't see how it could have ever worked.
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Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 8:18 am Post subject: Re: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| ally wrote: | | hadasa wrote: | | ally wrote: | Right. Who thought this was a good idea exactly?
(Actaully, I don't get this whole white house petition thing. I'd like to see a single piece of legislation that comes out of it.) | At least we know we tried. Otherwise we would never have known if it just might have worked. |
As far as I understand, one of the basic tenets of democracy is the non-interference of the government with the judiciary - The only exception being presidential pardons. So I really don't see how it could have ever worked. |
I agree. Otherwise we'd be living in a country where the executive branch had control over the judiciary. In other words, Russia. No thanks. _________________ We must love one another or die.
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Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 9:52 am Post subject: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| To reiterate my last post, that email is NOT saying "Thanks for your petition, we can't do anything so go away." It IS saying "Thank you for your petition, Judicial matters are very sensitive, we may or may not do anything about it, but we can't tell you why or why not we choose to do what we do. Thank you and have a good day." Again it's hishtadlus. This case is drawing attention from big lawyers and congressmen who are also interested in an investigation. This petition is simply making the white house aware that A LOT of common people are interested in it also. That's the point of democracy.
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Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 10:16 am Post subject: Re: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| miami85 wrote: | | To reiterate my last post, that email is NOT saying "Thanks for your petition, we can't do anything so go away." It IS saying "Thank you for your petition, Judicial matters are very sensitive, we may or may not do anything about it, but we can't tell you why or why not we choose to do what we do. Thank you and have a good day." Again it's hishtadlus. This case is drawing attention from big lawyers and congressmen who are also interested in an investigation. This petition is simply making the white house aware that A LOT of common people are interested in it also. That's the point of democracy. |
I don't know where you are getting the 'may or may not' part from. To me it is pretty clear that the email is saying that the White house does not (and will not) interfere in judicial matters. I still do not understand what the point of petitioning the White house is. Theoretically speaking, let's say Obama did care. What could he actually do?
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Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 12:48 pm Post subject: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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It's not saying it won't interfere with Judicial matters, it says it is "declining to comment" I copied from the email.
Subject: "Why We Can't Comment"
"...We appreciate your participation in the
We the People platform on WhiteHouse.gov.
As explained in the We the People Terms of
Participation, the White House may at times decline
to comment on certain specific matters properly
within the jurisdiction of federal departments or..."
"...For the reasons given above, the White House declines to
comment on matters raised by this petition."
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Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| miami85 wrote: | It's not saying it won't interfere with Judicial matters, it says it is "declining to comment" I copied from the email.
Subject: "Why We Can't Comment"
"...We appreciate your participation in the
We the People platform on WhiteHouse.gov.
As explained in the We the People Terms of
Participation, the White House may at times decline
to comment on certain specific matters properly
within the jurisdiction of federal departments or..."
"...For the reasons given above, the White House declines to
comment on matters raised by this petition." |
Yes. Not only are they not going to interfere, they are not even going to comment.
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Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| groisamomma wrote: | | Typical Obama. Dangles change but doesn't follow through. |
Yeah. I'm sure you'd be supporting him and his administration if he threw the constitutional system of checks and balances out the window. _________________ "I dig every second
I can laugh in the snow and rain
I get a buzz from being cold and wet
The pleasure seems to balance out the pain."
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| If Obama told his AG to please check out the allegations of prosecutorial misconduct, that would throw the whole system of checks and balances out the window?
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Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 4:45 pm Post subject: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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| Can people petition the Office of Professional Responsibility?
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Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 6:36 pm Post subject: re: White House won't respond to the Rubashkin Petition! |
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Maybe we should all sign this petition too...
http://wh.gov/bl2
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