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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 07 2011, 3:46 pm    Post subject: Who do you think is right or wrong?
 
My child was in a wonderful gan this year. The teachers were mostly great.
At the end of the year, we moved to a different area (about an hour and a half away) and I told the teachers that my child was going to have the last day a few days before the school year finished so if there was anything of my DC, if they could get it ready by that afternoon.
The teacher in charge said for sure she will get everything ready.
I arrive at the gan and not only is nothing ready but the head teacher is running out the door saying oh maybe another teacher can show you were the things were (change of clothing, bed sheet and cover for a nap). Well this other teacher did not have a clue where anything was.
I had sent nothing with my child's name but I assumed the gan would have put my DC name on the things that were ours (was that wrong of me to assume that?) So this teacher tells me that when they find whatever is ours they will send it in the mail.
I send an email to the head teacher a few weeks ago wanting to know if they had sent me anything yet and she says to me that I have to give her my address (I thought I did), so I did.
Now, about 3 weeks later, nothing came in the mail so I emailed the head teacher again and she says that she has no obligation to send me anything and she also has no idea what is my child's. I reply with a terribly upset email how that is just irresponsible (they had all of the children's clothing in one big shopping bag, with no names on the clothing, makes sense, no? - sarcasm)
So, now we are minus some of my child's clothing and a bed sheet and cover and the teacher is upset with me that I wont come back to get it and that she does not have an obligation to send it to me (even though one of the other teachers said they would) I am so upset.
Do you think that I was wrong to be upset (and then to send an upset email)? or was the head teacher right?

I am actually a bit livid with the whole thing. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 07 2011, 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Who do you think is right or wrong?
 
amother wrote:
I assumed the gan would have put my DC name on the things that were ours (was that wrong of me to assume that?)

very. this is the parent's responsibility. always. you think a morah has nothing better to do than label every piece of clothing and accessories belonging to every child in the gan?

amother wrote:
she has no obligation to send me anything and she also has no idea what is my child's.
true. when you were there to p/u your child, you should have looked for her stuff. how is the teacher supposed to know what's yours if you didn't label it?

amother wrote:
I reply with a terribly upset email how that is just irresponsible (they had all of the children's clothing in one big shopping bag, with no names on the clothing, makes sense, no? - sarcasm)
the sarcasm doesn't befit you. If you had labeled your child's belongings, as every parent is supposed to do, there would have been no problem. The irresponsible one was, it pains me to tell you--y-o-u.

amother wrote:
So, now we are minus some of my child's clothing and a bed sheet and cover
consider it rebbegelt. Now you know to label every stick and every thread. In any case, lost property is a fact of life when you have young children. get used to it. this should be the worst thing your child ever loses.

amother wrote:
she does not have an obligation to send it to me (even though one of the other teachers said they would)
the teacher who said they'd mail it spoke out of turn. If schools would mail back lost property they'd go broke. In any event, how could they know what was yours with no label? Your dc can't be the only kid in gan with royal blue sweatpants and a mickey mouse sheet or whatever.

amother wrote:
I am so upset.
I hear you. But I also think you need to chill. It's not the Crown Jewels you lost. It's some clothes the kid will soon outgrow anyway, a sheet and a blanket. All told valued at--what? 40 dollars new? 60? And this stuff had been used for a while? Is it worth getting a heart attack over? Even if your means are slender and replacement would be a hardship? let it be a kapparah.

amother wrote:

Do you think that I was wrong to be upset (and then to send an upset email)?
yes.

amother wrote:
or was the head teacher right?
yes.

amother wrote:
I am actually a bit livid with the whole thing. Evil or Very Mad
I'm sorry to hear that, but you really need an attitude adjustment here.

You may recall that when Yaakov Avinu was returning home from Charan, he recrossed the river to retrieve some small pots that he had left behind. Yaakov was a rich man and those pots wouldn't make him or break him. Yet he retraced his steps to get them. What does this teach us? respect for our possessions. take care of what you own. Part of that taking care--and here we cross over into my own interpretation made up on the spot for this situation-- means labeling things so that you know what's yours and can retrieve them should they be misplaced. You're an intelligent woman--you shouldn't have to be told to label your child's things when he goes to school.
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 07 2011, 7:23 pm    Post subject: re: Who do you think is right or wrong?
 
The only way in which they are wrong was when the head teacher agreed to help you put everything together and didn't come through. However even there she isn't completely wrong

For starters, YOU are the one that should be labeling their clothes. You don't seriously expect them to go label every kid's clothes? I don't know any institution that does that unless it's an article that they are supplying.

Yes it's true that many gan's collect the kid's items on the last day of school to give to the parents but generally speaking if those items don't have a name they are bound to get lost. Fact of life, and you did ask them to do it at a time they were not ready for. I believe the last days of gan/school are rather hectic.

Definitely no place to be livid.
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 07 2011, 7:36 pm    Post subject: re: Who do you think is right or wrong?
 
You should have labeled the items. You will know for next time to be sure to do this. Every item you send out of your house with you child, whether it's to camp, to school or elsewhere should be labeled by YOU. The school/camp/baby sitter has no requirement to do this for you and probably assumed you had labeled before they put the stuff in the bag.

If you did not label they should have had you look around and claim your items. Most places I know will keep a lost and found of unlabeled items for parents to look through. You are probably not the only mother who forget/did not know to label. How are they supposed to know what is yours without you there to claim it? I have seen schools and camps send LABELED items in the mail but unlabeled goods go straight into the hashavas haaveidah bin.

The one thing they did wrong was telling you they would mail it - especially if you told them it was unlabeled. There was no way they were ever going to be able to track down unlabeled items and mail them to you. Chalk it up to experience. At least it's only a small amount of stuff and not a whole summer camp wardrobe. Next time you will know to label well.
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 07 2011, 7:54 pm    Post subject:
 
I work in a preschool and I have to say -the parents that call and email again and again looking for that headband/t-shirt/change of clothes/whatever are the ones that drive us nuts.

It was definitely your responsibility to label and even if you HAD labelled, expect things to get lost. Things just disappear. Don't ask me how, but things do. It's almost impossible to keep track of every item all year long with many children and several teachers no matter how organized you are.

Where I work we have a rule that teachers cannot label children's belongings because in the past we have had parents upset with how we labelled them! Sometimes we will hand the parent a permanent marker and ask them to label the item themelves but most of the time we assume they have done so already.

I think you definitely owe the teacher an apology.
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 07 2011, 8:08 pm    Post subject:
 
de_goldy wrote:


I think you definitely owe the teacher an apology.


good point!
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 07 2011, 8:38 pm    Post subject:
 
zaq wrote:
de_goldy wrote:


I think you definitely owe the teacher an apology.


good point!

agreed
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 07 2011, 8:39 pm    Post subject:
 
de_goldy wrote:
I work in a preschool and I have to say -the parents that call and email again and again looking for that headband/t-shirt/change of clothes/whatever are the ones that drive us nuts.

It was definitely your responsibility to label and even if you HAD labelled, expect things to get lost. Things just disappear. Don't ask me how, but things do. It's almost impossible to keep track of every item all year long with many children and several teachers no matter how organized you are.

Where I work we have a rule that teachers cannot label children's belongings because in the past we have had parents upset with how we labelled them! Sometimes we will hand the parent a permanent marker and ask them to label the item themelves but most of the time we assume they have done so already.

I think you definitely owe the teacher an apology.


yup. you need to label everything yourself. you know what probably happened to your kid's clothes? another kid had an accident, and the teacher thought that unlabeled pair of pants was his. so it went home with the other kid. the mom washed it promptly and sent it back with a note, and it went into that other kid's cubby. next time that kid had an accident, he got sent home with your pair of pants again because it was on top of his own (labeled) change of clothing. after a few weeks the mom happened to be visiting the classroom and asked the teacher whose pants those were. the teacher didn't know, so they put it in a box of general classroom clothing to be used by any kid who runs out of clothes. my kids have been sent home a number of times in someone else's clothing. it's annoying for the morahs and the parents, so just label the things.

you should definitely go back and search the classroom if you really want anything back. I spent fifteen minutes of the last day of school last year desperately searching for my 2 kids' smocks. I found one. at least I know he still has it for this year. there's nothing I can do about the other one, so I have another smock for my daughter for this year. I'll survive without the second smock, no need to be livid. if you had been so desperate to keep those items, you would have labeled them before sending them to school.
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 07 2011, 10:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Who do you think is right or wrong?
 
amother wrote:
My child was in a wonderful gan this year. The teachers were mostly great.
I had sent nothing with my child's name but I assumed the gan would have put my DC name on the things that were ours (was that wrong of me to assume that?)

Why on earth would you assume such a thing?
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I reply with a terribly upset email how that is just irresponsible (they had all of the children's clothing in one big shopping bag, with no names on the clothing, makes sense, no? - sarcasm)

Actually it DOES make sense. They had all of the clothes in one place, where teachers would be expected to know where they are. It's not their fault you chose not to label your child's clothes. It's their responsibility to take care of that for you.
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the teacher is upset with me that I wont come back to get it and that she does not have an obligation to send it to me (even though one of the other teachers said they would)

Why exactly does she have an obligation to spend time to figure out what is yours and the money to send it to you? A teacher who clearly didn't know what was going on certainly is not a person in a position to obligate her to do something that is not her responsibility.
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 07 2011, 11:42 pm    Post subject: re: Who do you think is right or wrong?
 
OP here. OK, I got it.Thanks everyone. NO need for more replies.
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