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| do you know parents who dont touch opposite gender older children? |
| dh doesnt touch over bas mitzvah daughter |
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12% |
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| I don't touch over bar mitzvah son |
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| I know a father who doesn't touch his over bas mitzvah daughter |
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| I know a mother who doesn't touch her over bar mitzvah son |
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Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2011, 9:55 pm Post subject: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching sons |
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I made a mistake in the previous posts poll so I'm reposting:
How many of you know parents- who won't touch their children of the opposite gender once they reach bar or bat mitzvah age (or younger)? no hugging, kissing, or touching because of tznius? If you do know someone like this are they chassidish, litvish, or other? what is the reason? is there a basis in halacha- and what is it?
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Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2011, 10:29 pm Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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I would just like to say that I would NOT be one of these non-touching parents, but I would certainly modify my touching as my kids get older, as I am sure they would with me. like right now I squeeze my little boys' tushies when I give them hugs. I doubt I'll be doing that for the long term.
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Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2011, 10:39 pm Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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| Children are never to old to deserve a hug or kiss from their parent. Although I wouldn't do it in public so I shouldn't embarrass them.
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Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2011, 10:56 pm Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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I can't say I know of a single man or woman that won't touch their own child. There's touching, and then there's touching and anyone that doesn't know the difference shouldn't be a parent. _________________ Let your fellow's honor be as dear to you as your own and do not anger easily (Pirkei Avos/t)
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Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2011, 11:01 pm Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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| not sure whats the problem with touching your own child I think the problem is when you dint touch them ever kids need love forever.
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Posted: Sun, Jun 19 2011, 11:04 pm Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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| Never heard of not touching a child, a relative asked a shayla regarding their adopted children and there was no problem touching either.
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| Why no option for those who've never heard of this?
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 12:46 am Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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| I find this very disturbing. The Torah prohibits negiah among ppl who have a relationship that can possibly turn physical. To make a point of not touching someone's own child is implying that this relationship can become a physical one. Sick. Please don't be frummer than G.d. And if someone is scared of being turned on by his daughter, he needs help asap.
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 1:22 am Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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| I agree with MaBelleVie
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| My father only touches us when he bentches us Friday night. We used to hold his hand when we were MUCH younger, but now it's just weird for us. We were not raised with much physical love.
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 2:46 am Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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| Check before- I'm with you, I cant remember the last time my father touched me- but its nothing to do with religion, and more to do with him being a physically cold and distant person who simply doesn't know how to have a relationship with his grown children (and for the record, I don't remember much touching when I was younger either- but can remember holding hands on the way to shul every once in a while)
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| checkbefore wrote: | | My father only touches us when he bentches us Friday night. We used to hold his hand when we were MUCH younger, but now it's just weird for us. We were not raised with much physical love. |
I am married and kiss my father on the cheek in public and he kisses my cheek as well. I think it's a beautiful thing. I don't know anyone that fits any of your choices OP I don't recommend redoing the poll as you have done it twice but it would have been more conclusive if you had an option of none of the above otherwise you don't know how many people opened it but didn't click on anything cuz they never heard of such behavior.
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe these kids were adopted?
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 5:46 am Post subject: Re: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touch |
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| MaBelleVie wrote: | | I find this very disturbing. The Torah prohibits negiah among ppl who have a relationship that can possibly turn physical. To make a point of not touching someone's own child is implying that this relationship can become a physical one. Sick. Please don't be frummer than G.d. And if someone is scared of being turned on by his daughter, he needs help asap. |
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 7:09 am Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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| its interesting, cuz my father is a very loving father and hugs and kisses all his kids, but I think (not as a rule of course) he stopped touching me after I got married, im not 100% sure but basically thats what me and my husband obsereved;)
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 7:34 am Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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How about adding to the poll, does your mother touch you? Yes you heard right, not even a kiss on the day of my engagement or wedding. So of course my father didn't either touch me much. Not because of any halachah, I guess they're just terribly unemotional people.
This has always bothered me greatly and I try to do it right with my own children, with Hashem's help.
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 8:54 am Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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I don't know anyone who has such a rule, but I do know people who slowly phased out touching as their children grew older. Right now I kiss my father on the cheek as a hello and goodbye, and he touches me when he bentches me on shabbos. Other than that I can't think of any way we could touch without feeling uncomfortable.
I can see that several people voted that they do know someone who doesn't their children, but none of them posted to explain why. I would love to know the reasoning behind it, if such a thing exists.
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 9:10 am Post subject: Re: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touch |
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| amother wrote: | | its interesting, cuz my father is a very loving father and hugs and kisses all his kids, but I think (not as a rule of course) he stopped touching me after I got married, im not 100% sure but basically thats what me and my husband obsereved;) |
My father did the same thing, honestly it took me awhile to realize.
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 9:19 am Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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just heard a few days ago that a brother and sister are not allowed to touch.. I always give my brothers hugs when I see them after a long time....
or sayng goodbye... etc...
and my father always hugs when I see him after a long time also......
is there a basis that its not tznius to hug between bros and sisters?
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Posted: Mon, Jun 20 2011, 9:19 am Post subject: re: fathers not touching daughters and mothers not touching |
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When I see my father, first thing I get is a peck on the cheek. More so since I got married, since I don't get to see him as often now.
Never heard of such a thing....I have heard of those who don't touch their child of opposite gender in public, but my family personally is not makpid. Also wouldn't do it if my child didn't want it - I would respect their feelings. _________________ Chayalle
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