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| mummiedearest wrote: | | sarachana wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | sarachana and others with questions on legal/illegal foods:
the diet is NOT about the healthiest way to eat. it also does NOT disallow raw produce. raw produce is not allowed when diarrhea is present. otherwise, eat a ton of it if you want.
the diet is not about what's hard to digest, it's about where things are digested. it cuts out complex carbs, but not simple ones. it is not necessarily a high protein/low carb diet unless you make it so.
this diet is particularly for those who have digestive issues stemming from the colon. at some point, the colon tries to protect itself by forming a mucus membrane on its wall. if you know how digestion works, complex carbs are broken down by enzymes located on the colon wall. when a mucus membrane is formed, the enzymes are covered, so they can't meet the complex carbs to break them down. the complex carbs sit undigested in the gut while your natural bacteria feed off of them. the person ends up with a serious bacterial imbalance, resulting in lots of symptoms. some of these symptoms seem unrelated to digestion, you'd never know where they come from. the diet allows simple carbs because they are broken down in your mouth, with saliva. proteins are broken down differently, so they are allowed.
lots of things are technically legal on this diet, but it is known that any person may have extra sensitivities. if you know you can't handle onions, skip them.
again, this diet is a healing diet, but it's only as healthy as you make it. if all you eat all day is chicken, I can assure you you will have problems.
to the poster who's thinking about spelt matza:
I didn't do the diet on the dr's say so either. I did research, started it, and found it helped me immediately. the first shabbos I tried one bite of challah and reacted within a half hour. I called my rav, who told me not to eat any more of it. I should point out that I started the diet on a sunday, so it was obvious by shabbos what a reaction to challah would be. do not eat matzah. not only will it give you a reaction, it can set you back months. I kid you not. speak to a rav before doing that, you may be harming yourself. |
ok I see what you are saying for a regular average person who just has some diareah, but for a crohns or colitis, this is NOT going to work in the long run. They most probably will continue to get flair ups. Digesting carbs is only one aspect of their bacteria imbalance. Meat and protein causes a whole different type of problems. The truth is, if someone needs to heal they should go RAW! Very little cooked at all, and even if it means drinking your juice till you can tolerate the fiber. Your symptoms will be gone in ONE WEEK, not 10 months.
Thanks for all the above posters who did some clarifying. |
sarachana, I don't have crohn's. I do know some people on the scd who can't tolerate meat and avoid it. there are also those who avoid dairy, eggs, various forms of produce, etc. the diet is not specific to crohn's, it includes a number of colon problems. if someone has a hard time with some legal foods, she should not consider it legal FOR HER. the idea behind the diet is to starve out the bacteria and allow the colon to shed the mucus membrane so that it can heal itself. certainly, there are quicker ways to get rid of symptoms. medication will often do that, but with side effects. and they won't heal anyone. antibiotics will get rid of the bacteria, but not the mucus membrane, so the bacterial imbalance will return fairly quickly. I don't know what your experience is with crohn's, and I don't claim to be an expert on it. however, I have been on the scd for a while, and I can say that it works for me and a large population of other people. and again, raw is not disallowed on this diet. perhaps a combination of the scd and another diet would work best for other people. who knows. but it is not a ridiculous diet. as for symptom free in ten months, it got rid of symptoms I didn't even know I had. I'd rather take the long road to healing med-free than try to take the fast track by going on a juice diet, which I think can be harmful if kept for too long. it may get rid of symptoms, but does it heal crohn's? |
very good point! I hear you. actually I really get what your saying...thanks for shedding more light.
so just wondering what symptoms you got rid of that you didn't know you had. (if u don't mind telling me)
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 24 2011, 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: re: SCD Diet |
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| mummiedearest wrote: | | sarachana wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | sarachana and others with questions on legal/illegal foods:
the diet is NOT about the healthiest way to eat. it also does NOT disallow raw produce. raw produce is not allowed when diarrhea is present. otherwise, eat a ton of it if you want.
the diet is not about what's hard to digest, it's about where things are digested. it cuts out complex carbs, but not simple ones. it is not necessarily a high protein/low carb diet unless you make it so.
this diet is particularly for those who have digestive issues stemming from the colon. at some point, the colon tries to protect itself by forming a mucus membrane on its wall. if you know how digestion works, complex carbs are broken down by enzymes located on the colon wall. when a mucus membrane is formed, the enzymes are covered, so they can't meet the complex carbs to break them down. the complex carbs sit undigested in the gut while your natural bacteria feed off of them. the person ends up with a serious bacterial imbalance, resulting in lots of symptoms. some of these symptoms seem unrelated to digestion, you'd never know where they come from. the diet allows simple carbs because they are broken down in your mouth, with saliva. proteins are broken down differently, so they are allowed.
lots of things are technically legal on this diet, but it is known that any person may have extra sensitivities. if you know you can't handle onions, skip them.
again, this diet is a healing diet, but it's only as healthy as you make it. if all you eat all day is chicken, I can assure you you will have problems.
to the poster who's thinking about spelt matza:
I didn't do the diet on the dr's say so either. I did research, started it, and found it helped me immediately. the first shabbos I tried one bite of challah and reacted within a half hour. I called my rav, who told me not to eat any more of it. I should point out that I started the diet on a sunday, so it was obvious by shabbos what a reaction to challah would be. do not eat matzah. not only will it give you a reaction, it can set you back months. I kid you not. speak to a rav before doing that, you may be harming yourself. |
ok I see what you are saying for a regular average person who just has some diareah, but for a crohns or colitis, this is NOT going to work in the long run. They most probably will continue to get flair ups. Digesting carbs is only one aspect of their bacteria imbalance. Meat and protein causes a whole different type of problems. The truth is, if someone needs to heal they should go RAW! Very little cooked at all, and even if it means drinking your juice till you can tolerate the fiber. Your symptoms will be gone in ONE WEEK, not 10 months.
Thanks for all the above posters who did some clarifying. |
sarachana, I don't have crohn's. I do know some people on the scd who can't tolerate meat and avoid it. there are also those who avoid dairy, eggs, various forms of produce, etc. the diet is not specific to crohn's, it includes a number of colon problems. if someone has a hard time with some legal foods, she should not consider it legal FOR HER. the idea behind the diet is to starve out the bacteria and allow the colon to shed the mucus membrane so that it can heal itself. certainly, there are quicker ways to get rid of symptoms. medication will often do that, but with side effects. and they won't heal anyone. antibiotics will get rid of the bacteria, but not the mucus membrane, so the bacterial imbalance will return fairly quickly. I don't know what your experience is with crohn's, and I don't claim to be an expert on it. however, I have been on the scd for a while, and I can say that it works for me and a large population of other people. and again, raw is not disallowed on this diet. perhaps a combination of the scd and another diet would work best for other people. who knows. but it is not a ridiculous diet. as for symptom free in ten months, it got rid of symptoms I didn't even know I had. I'd rather take the long road to healing med-free than try to take the fast track by going on a juice diet, which I think can be harmful if kept for too long. it may get rid of symptoms, but does it heal crohn's? |
Ditto mummiedearest! You explained it quite accurately. The only way to know if something agrees with you is to try it and see how the reaction is. For me, b'h it's been 2.5 yrs and I'm a medical miracle.
I speak to people all the time about healin gthrough scd and the statistics are that about 80% of patients do great.
If you need more info feel free to pm me
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 24 2011, 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: re: SCD Diet |
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| sarachana wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | | sarachana wrote: | | mummiedearest wrote: | sarachana and others with questions on legal/illegal foods:
the diet is NOT about the healthiest way to eat. it also does NOT disallow raw produce. raw produce is not allowed when diarrhea is present. otherwise, eat a ton of it if you want.
the diet is not about what's hard to digest, it's about where things are digested. it cuts out complex carbs, but not simple ones. it is not necessarily a high protein/low carb diet unless you make it so.
this diet is particularly for those who have digestive issues stemming from the colon. at some point, the colon tries to protect itself by forming a mucus membrane on its wall. if you know how digestion works, complex carbs are broken down by enzymes located on the colon wall. when a mucus membrane is formed, the enzymes are covered, so they can't meet the complex carbs to break them down. the complex carbs sit undigested in the gut while your natural bacteria feed off of them. the person ends up with a serious bacterial imbalance, resulting in lots of symptoms. some of these symptoms seem unrelated to digestion, you'd never know where they come from. the diet allows simple carbs because they are broken down in your mouth, with saliva. proteins are broken down differently, so they are allowed.
lots of things are technically legal on this diet, but it is known that any person may have extra sensitivities. if you know you can't handle onions, skip them.
again, this diet is a healing diet, but it's only as healthy as you make it. if all you eat all day is chicken, I can assure you you will have problems.
to the poster who's thinking about spelt matza:
I didn't do the diet on the dr's say so either. I did research, started it, and found it helped me immediately. the first shabbos I tried one bite of challah and reacted within a half hour. I called my rav, who told me not to eat any more of it. I should point out that I started the diet on a sunday, so it was obvious by shabbos what a reaction to challah would be. do not eat matzah. not only will it give you a reaction, it can set you back months. I kid you not. speak to a rav before doing that, you may be harming yourself. |
ok I see what you are saying for a regular average person who just has some diareah, but for a crohns or colitis, this is NOT going to work in the long run. They most probably will continue to get flair ups. Digesting carbs is only one aspect of their bacteria imbalance. Meat and protein causes a whole different type of problems. The truth is, if someone needs to heal they should go RAW! Very little cooked at all, and even if it means drinking your juice till you can tolerate the fiber. Your symptoms will be gone in ONE WEEK, not 10 months.
Thanks for all the above posters who did some clarifying. |
sarachana, I don't have crohn's. I do know some people on the scd who can't tolerate meat and avoid it. there are also those who avoid dairy, eggs, various forms of produce, etc. the diet is not specific to crohn's, it includes a number of colon problems. if someone has a hard time with some legal foods, she should not consider it legal FOR HER. the idea behind the diet is to starve out the bacteria and allow the colon to shed the mucus membrane so that it can heal itself. certainly, there are quicker ways to get rid of symptoms. medication will often do that, but with side effects. and they won't heal anyone. antibiotics will get rid of the bacteria, but not the mucus membrane, so the bacterial imbalance will return fairly quickly. I don't know what your experience is with crohn's, and I don't claim to be an expert on it. however, I have been on the scd for a while, and I can say that it works for me and a large population of other people. and again, raw is not disallowed on this diet. perhaps a combination of the scd and another diet would work best for other people. who knows. but it is not a ridiculous diet. as for symptom free in ten months, it got rid of symptoms I didn't even know I had. I'd rather take the long road to healing med-free than try to take the fast track by going on a juice diet, which I think can be harmful if kept for too long. it may get rid of symptoms, but does it heal crohn's? |
very good point! I hear you. actually I really get what your saying...thanks for shedding more light.
so just wondering what symptoms you got rid of that you didn't know you had. (if u don't mind telling me) |
I don't mind sharing some things 
within the first week, I got rid of insomnia, which I had had for an entire year straight and had struggled with on and off since high school. anytime I ingested something that didn't agree with me (yes, legal foods) I couldn't get any sleep that night. this helped me figure out a lot.
I had a patch of dry itchy skin since I was a teenager. I think it may have been excema, but it was so small I never really bothered to deal with it. it cleared up completely within a few months. my mood improved significantly, I tended to feel depressed much less often. and yes, my system was suddenly working on a very set schedule. that was the best improvement, actually. I don't remember EVER being so regular before. I remember waking up one morning ten months into the diet and saying to myself, "wow, I feel so healthy!" seriously, my body felt fabulous from head to toe.
btw, technically this diet is temporary. one is supposed to wait one year after symptoms leave before going off, two years for crohn's, I believe. I certainly think that as a temporary diet, it is very healthy. true, it lacks "complete" carbs, but when you can't digest them, they just harm you.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 24 2011, 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: re: SCD Diet |
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| amother wrote: | Another amother here.
I just started the diet this week, im actually following the 'introductory diet' now. I am wracking my brains what to do with challah or what alternative there is out there.... was thinking of eating spelt matzah (easier to digest than wheat, and no yeast/sugar...) please keep in mind, no dr told me to follow this diet. Just a lot of friends recommended it to me and I read up on it so I figured it would heal my indigestion issues. so, I would like to know if it will reverse the little (if any) progress the diet has made?
also, I have been having cravings like terrible for NORMAL food or something other than protiens (even veggies  ) what can I do to take away the terrible cravings??? | The introductory period is hard because it's very limited.
Once you're up to the next stage, will you have access to any of the SCD Gemachs? Digestive Wellness? Getting some almond flour baked goods, and some ready made food, can really help.
What cravings are you having? Maybe we can give you some recipes for alternatives. There is so much variety out there, you just have to get creative.
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| whats this diets attitude on prper food combining? can diabetics do this diet?
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| Posted: Sun, Jun 26 2011, 12:53 am Post subject: Re: re: SCD Diet |
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| ra_mom wrote: | | amother wrote: | Another amother here.
I just started the diet this week, im actually following the 'introductory diet' now. I am wracking my brains what to do with challah or what alternative there is out there.... was thinking of eating spelt matzah (easier to digest than wheat, and no yeast/sugar...) please keep in mind, no dr told me to follow this diet. Just a lot of friends recommended it to me and I read up on it so I figured it would heal my indigestion issues. so, I would like to know if it will reverse the little (if any) progress the diet has made?
also, I have been having cravings like terrible for NORMAL food or something other than protiens (even veggies ) what can I do to take away the terrible cravings??? | The introductory period is hard because it's very limited.
Once you're up to the next stage, will you have access to any of the SCD Gemachs? Digestive Wellness? Getting some almond flour baked goods, and some ready made food, can really help.
What cravings are you having? Maybe we can give you some recipes for alternatives. There is so much variety out there, you just have to get creative.
Much Hatzlacha and Refuah Shelaima. |
I was craving a piece of chocolate, something 'solid' like (ww) bread, and as I was saying, I wanted to eat veggies!
I always eat healthy, but this is so hard for me... it's so not 'normal'!
and btw its after shabbos and I DID eat a kazayis matzah, and today I ate potato kugel (illegal) and chopped liver (probably illegal) and chulent... it's so hard to not eat the usual. I didnt know what legal foods I should eat for the seuda...
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| Posted: Sun, Jun 26 2011, 1:26 am Post subject: re: SCD Diet |
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you can have whatever everyone else is having, as long as you prepared it the scd legal way.
I know how hard it is.
I wish you all the best.
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| Posted: Sun, Jun 26 2011, 9:58 am Post subject: Re: re: SCD Diet |
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| amother wrote: | | ra_mom wrote: | | amother wrote: | Another amother here.
I just started the diet this week, im actually following the 'introductory diet' now. I am wracking my brains what to do with challah or what alternative there is out there.... was thinking of eating spelt matzah (easier to digest than wheat, and no yeast/sugar...) please keep in mind, no dr told me to follow this diet. Just a lot of friends recommended it to me and I read up on it so I figured it would heal my indigestion issues. so, I would like to know if it will reverse the little (if any) progress the diet has made?
also, I have been having cravings like terrible for NORMAL food or something other than protiens (even veggies ) what can I do to take away the terrible cravings??? | The introductory period is hard because it's very limited.
Once you're up to the next stage, will you have access to any of the SCD Gemachs? Digestive Wellness? Getting some almond flour baked goods, and some ready made food, can really help.
What cravings are you having? Maybe we can give you some recipes for alternatives. There is so much variety out there, you just have to get creative.
Much Hatzlacha and Refuah Shelaima. |
I was craving a piece of chocolate, something 'solid' like (ww) bread, and as I was saying, I wanted to eat veggies!
I always eat healthy, but this is so hard for me... it's so not 'normal'!
and btw its after shabbos and I DID eat a kazayis matzah, and today I ate potato kugel (illegal) and chopped liver (probably illegal) and chulent... it's so hard to not eat the usual. I didnt know what legal foods I should eat for the seuda... | When you are able to eat these things, buy cocoa butter to make some chocolate tasting things.
Go through this blog for ideas. You can also click on the link to Ami's article on SCD for an almond loaf recipe to eat with dips on Shabbos.
http://digestivewellness.blogspot.com/
Digestive Wellness sells great melba toast.
Make your own yummy SCD cholent. Chopped liver. Savory butternut squash kugel.
Start cooking all the food for your family the SCD way, and then just add a starch side dish on the side that's just for them. That will help keep down your cheating. And once you learn how to make yummy SCD food, you won't have such a hard time.
If you need recipes or direction, feel free to PM me or any of the other women here.
There are delicious ways to fill your cravings with SCD legal food.
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| Posted: Sun, Jun 26 2011, 3:21 pm Post subject: re: SCD Diet |
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Thanks everyone for your ideas and support! I will iyh bake and cook up a storm this week so I won't feel 'deprived'! 
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| Posted: Mon, Jun 27 2011, 11:54 am Post subject: re: SCD Diet |
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hi
Original Poster here Did any one on this diet actual get healed and told by there doctor that there colon looks normal??? Also at what point do you stop taking your regular med???
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| mommy100 wrote: | hi
Original Poster here Did any one on this diet actual get healed and told by there doctor that there colon looks normal??? Also at what point do you stop taking your regular med??? |
I'm watching this one. I had a child on SCD, didn't last long, B"H whose colon now looks great, but whose dr. doesn't want to consider stopping meds. Where is literature about stopping meds once healing is clear, with or without SCD?
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My dd was med-free for almost two years from a very severe case of crohn's by following the SC diet. She was on for five years very strictly. Now she is about 70 SCD-30% not scd and still doing okay. She takes one Colazol a day (standard is 9), which even her doctor says is a "homeopathic" amount. B''H, this diet has been like a miracle for our family. Not necessarily so easy to follow, but it gave us our daughter back, healthy, and with her whole colon still inside her....
p.s. join the kosherscd yahoo group and there have been many discussions re. challah/matza that you can search for in the archives
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| Posted: Fri, Sep 23 2011, 12:52 pm Post subject: re: SCD Diet |
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| after doing much research I would like to add that most of what I said previously is not what I believe now.
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