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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 11 2011, 8:21 pm    Post subject:
 
The nickname shouldn't be too different to his real name because the child might find it difficult to have his name changed.
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 11 2011, 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
Yocheved84 wrote:
Thoughts from DH:
"Won't his nickname just be Donny, like Donny & Marie?"
"What's next? Naming after things in Shul? Hey, this is my kid, Bima, and his sister, metal folding chair." Rolling Eyes


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The nickname shouldn't be too different to his real name because the child might find it difficult to have his name changed.


No such luck. His parents pronounce it exactly like we would.
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 11 2011, 8:55 pm    Post subject:
 
I would certainly not change classrooms or teachers because of this.

Your kid will not be messed up. Kids adjust and learn. It's fine.

Also, it's nice. He will be blessing his friend a lot, like every time he eats Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 11 2011, 11:27 pm    Post subject: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
An easy nickname would be Adon. You could ask your son to call him that and to refer to him that way when he talks to you about him at home. But I would be surprised if the child's mother would agree to having a nickname used by the teacher and the other children, when in her opinion, her child has a perfectly acceptable name.
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 4:39 am    Post subject: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
Tough one. I'd try to call him Donai or something, but hearing it in class in unholy contexts could be grating, I imagine.

My father taught in public school. One student's name was L-rd. So Daddy called him Lard (accenting it only slightly so that it wasn't L-rd but he didn't obviously offend the child). Another option would have been Lawd.
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
Seraph wrote:
amother wrote:
OP here. The name is "A" and then "do" and then "nai". DS is 4 and reasonably verbal. He knows that we only say that name when we make a bracha or daven, though he doesn't really think about it much. I think that if he were just told it was the new friend's name, he might not think about it too much -- but then again, he might, and he might be quite confused.

The mother said that she knew that some people only said her son's name when they were "in a temple or something."

I will have to ask our LOR. I'm tempted to find the mother again and ask her if we can use a nickname, but I'm afraid she might find that rude.
Ad-nai means my masters. It would also be used in spoken hebrew.


It is used only in the singular form, "Adoni," meaning "my master."
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
merelyme wrote:
Seraph wrote:
amother wrote:
OP here. The name is "A" and then "do" and then "nai". DS is 4 and reasonably verbal. He knows that we only say that name when we make a bracha or daven, though he doesn't really think about it much. I think that if he were just told it was the new friend's name, he might not think about it too much -- but then again, he might, and he might be quite confused.

The mother said that she knew that some people only said her son's name when they were "in a temple or something."

I will have to ask our LOR. I'm tempted to find the mother again and ask her if we can use a nickname, but I'm afraid she might find that rude.
Ad-nai means my masters. It would also be used in spoken hebrew.


It is used only in the singular form, "Adoni," meaning "my master."


I don't think so it is used in spoken hebrew (singular or plural) to mean sir or sirs as in:
"Adonai hanechbadim" - dear sirs its a bit old fashioned but can still be used.

I actually heard a mother call her son this name (I think it was on israeli tv but might have been on the street)
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 6:51 am    Post subject: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
If the word in question is plural (my masters) why are we addressing G-d that way? Isn't G-d one?

In college I had a classmate named Hashem. I certainly did not have this problem as I never spoke to him, but it was wierd.
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
amother wrote:
My DS has special needs and goes to a public preschool in our OOT community. I just found out that one of his classmates for next year has a name that we would only say when we daven (the family is Greek Orthodox Ethiopian, and "chose it from the Bible", they told me.)

Has anyone ever been in a situation like this? How did you/would you handle it?

Fascinating. I wonder how many Greek Orthodox Ethiopians there are in the world? I would guess not many.

Maybe you could purposely slightly mispronounce it? (Ehdoni or something?) Or put the emphasis on the wrong syllable? Are the kids old enough to have the habit of using last names? ("Hey, Weinberg!" etc.)

All these are solutions for your son, of course. As yy said, I doubt this child's parents or teacher will call him something other than his real name to accommodate your son.
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
anonymom wrote:
If the word in question is plural (my masters) why are we addressing G-d that way? Isn't G-d one?
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I never actually thought of this but refering to someone in the plural is a way to show respect and put some respectfull distance between you and him.
When you are speaking to someone that should be respected (a rav/your teacher) you say atem (plural you) instead of ata or at (singular you)
I know someone that when speaking to women always refers to them in plural b/c he says there should always be a respectfull distance beyween men and women (that aren't his wife/daughters ofcourse)

I don't know if that is the reason but that is what poped into my mind.
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 8:08 am    Post subject: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
It is uncomfortable, but I'd bet it's only uncomfortable for you not your son. You don't have to hear.

I don't see there's a problem. I think it's appalling to ask a special needs kid to be called something different because another parent is offended by his name.

OP, I honestly think this is being over-machmir on something that is totally irrelevant. Let it go & keep your child in the optimum situation for his needs. Sometimes we can "over-frum" ourselves.

There are worse things to be called: retard, idiot, moron, fool, fatty all spring to mind.
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 8:30 am    Post subject: Re: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
Isramom8 wrote:
Tough one. I'd try to call him Donai or something, but hearing it in class in unholy contexts could be grating, I imagine.

My father taught in public school. One student's name was L-rd. So Daddy called him Lard (accenting it only slightly so that it wasn't L-rd but he didn't obviously offend the child). Another option would have been Lawd.


I think this story is hysterical! I hope that kid wasn't fat Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
[quote="merelyme"]
Seraph wrote:
amother wrote:
OP here. The name is "A" and then "do" and then "nai". DS is 4 and reasonably verbal. He knows that we only say that name when we make a bracha or daven, though he doesn't really think about it much. I think that if he were just told it was the new friend's name, he might not think about it too much -- but then again, he might, and he might be quite confused.

The mother said that she knew that some people only said her son's name when they were "in a temple or something."

I will have to ask our LOR. I'm tempted to find the mother again and ask her if we can use a nickname, but I'm afraid she might find that rude.
Ad-nai means my masters. It would also be used in spoken hebrew.


It is used only in the singular form, "Adoni," meaning "my master."[/quote]

I thought I remembered that it is also used in the plural form, and I found it! Veyera, yud ches, gimmel: Vayomer adonoy im na matzasi chen be'einecha al na saavor meal avdecha. Avraham addresses the angels as masters and asks them not to pass him by (but to stay and eat). Rashi says Avraham is addressing the angels, but Onkelus translates Ad-noy there as Hashem (meaning that Avraham is asking Hashem's presence to remain with him, even though Avraham turned aside from Hashem's visit when he was unwell after his circuncision to welcome his guests.)
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 1:08 pm    Post subject: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
omg, I feel for you! One day I had to pronounce a client's name: J*sus, I felt terrible saying it! I didn't know what to do! Maybe that's a silver lining, rather have a holy name, than that name in your child's classroom!
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 1:09 pm    Post subject: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
Surely it was pronounced hay-sus.
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 1:24 pm    Post subject:
 
Yes as Sequoia pointed out the name J-sus is pronounced Hay-Sus.

I don't know, I agree w/ Bubby. In this situation you are dealing w/ special needs children. Why add more to his plate?
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 1:31 pm    Post subject: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
Are you serious, Sequoia?
I had no idea! Is that how the Spanish speaking folks pronounce it? Thanks! I feel like a moron!
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 1:33 pm    Post subject: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
Did he not correct you? Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 1:57 pm    Post subject:
 
Doesn't 'intention' count for anything anymore? Why are so many people becoming such literalists?
You son won't be 'taking the Lord's name in vain', as they say. He will be saying the name of his classmate. That's it.

He's a little boy, just tell him that some non-Jewish people have names from different languages and that this one, funny enough, is Ad-o-nay...

End of story. No?
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 12 2011, 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Future classmate's name is sheim H" - WWYD?
 
saw50st8 wrote:
Isramom8 wrote:
Tough one. I'd try to call him Donai or something, but hearing it in class in unholy contexts could be grating, I imagine.

My father taught in public school. One student's name was L-rd. So Daddy called him Lard (accenting it only slightly so that it wasn't L-rd but he didn't obviously offend the child). Another option would have been Lawd.


I think this story is hysterical! I hope that kid wasn't fat Wink


I meant Laud (not Lawd). Embarassed
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