Woman takes anti aging surgeries to extreme

http://news.yahoo.com/video/health-15749655/woman-takes-anti-age-surgeries-to-extreme-24795116

How terribly sad is this? I think this is very very sad, that in order for this woman to feel beautiful and not look her age, she has had 52 procedures.

What do you all think?

I personally think, what the heck is wrong with wrinkles? I think it is a sign of wisdom and years of life, wonderful things, in my book at least.

Why is it sad? Why is it anyone's business?

She looks great. Her money, her business. not your dime.
Society punishes women who look old, who have wrinkles, who have sagging breasts and who don't have perfect complexions.

They punish them by paying them lower wages than those paid to younger prettier women, by making them invisible, by giving them worse treatment anywhere and everywhere including waiting longer on lines, being treated worse in clinics and hospitals.

Wait until you are older and wrinkled and you start being invisible. You are young and you don't know what's in store for you. Believe me.
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fs, if what you're saying is true, then davka it is everyone's business. If society is discriminating, then yes, whether other women choose to fight that or to play along with it affects all of us.

But I think it's a moot point, since she looks weird anyway. People who have too many surgeries get into the whole "uncanny valley" thing, where they look just not-normal enough to set off people's instinctive "there is something horribly wrong with that person - stay away!!!" reaction.

And I wonder what the point is, anyway. Sure, it's fun to look pretty, but it's fun because there are benefits to it. What benefits is she getting? Even if she were to get a higher salary because of her looks, she's spent crazy amounts of money on surgery, more than enough that salary wouldn't compensate. And I'm guessing the surgery gets in the way of whatever career she may have had, more than helping.

And as for men, even if they're more attracted to her, have any stuck around to deal with her and her love for procedures? Does it even feel like kissing, if your lips are full of who-knows-what? Again, where's the benefit?

Also, surgery can't ward off the hormonal and internal affects of aging (yet), it can only tighten the skin. So even if she could look genuinely 35 and not what-happened-to-her-face-35, in terms of pheromones she'd still be 52 (I'm not sure how much age effects hormonal attraction and at what point, it's just a thought).

Am I the only one who thinks she doesn't look that great? Her mouth looks unnatural and way too taut. I feel like if she smiles she might rip her skin.
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You just don't get it. This woman is of course an extreme but there are so many women who take hormones until they are 60 and look great, and have botox and look great and have eye lifts and look great and have breast augmentation or reduction and liposuction and look absolutely terrific.

It is none of your business in the sense of it itsn't your dime. she isn't asking for your money. But yes, it is everyone's business that society is like that.

How many of you actually work outside in the big wide world in offices or places of work that only if you are a young and pretty woman do you get any attention? That's what much of this western world is like, whether you like it or not. And that's why women like this one do what they do, not necessarily because of what they feel like but because what they are made to feel like.

Shabbat, nice that your mother only wore vaseline on her lips and that at 55 she looks so great. Does she work in a profession? Has she been passed over for promotions because she looks old? Is she asked to mann an inside desk instead of the front desk as so many older experienced women are because the company wants to put on a "young face" in reception? That also happens all the time.

It's called AGE DISCRIMINATION. It's horrible and until you deal with it personally or know people who do, it sounds like mars. Maybe you will never be in a world where you encounter it, great for you, but many of us who do understand this woman fully.

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What I find sadder is the 20-something year old reality star who did 10 cosmetic surgeries in ONE DAY. What on earth could've been so wrong with such a young body that it needed so much work??

Again, friedasima, this woman is clearly not benefiting financially or professionally from her surgeries, so I doubt it has to do with trouble at work.

Also, I know many professional women in their 50s, and all of them would say this woman has mental issues. So no, this isn't an issue of "you people just don't get her because you don't know what it's like." I could introduce you to dozens of women who know exactly what it's like to be 52 and work in the corporate world, and none are running out to totally redesign their bodies, or even expressing understanding of those who do.

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She's doesn't look great? C'mon, she's all made up for the camera and probably b/c that's her style, but how can anyone say she isn't good looking? The 52 surgeries were not all major ones; botox is done repeatedly, too, since it wears off. I think Lauren Hutton is a great example of someone looking natural, graceful and beautiful at an older age or think of Audrey Hepburn when she was older.

She must have some sort of addiction to have kept going with it all when most people would just be too fearful of the risks at a certain point.

Listen, I wear a wig on my head and long sleeves in 100 degree heat. That woman thinks I'M the crazy one!
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I agree that she must have some sort of addiction to surgery and procedures. Repeatedly going under the knife to try to turn back the clock is madness.

I understand why women would try to look younger- I'm sure I'll color my hair when I start going gray. But it seems that this woman's whole life, her every waking moment, is devoted to this one goal. It sounds exhausting, not to mention depressing. Is she going to keep having facelifts into her 80s? Helluva way to live.

I thought this thread was going to be about the queen of plastic surgery. Click on the link at your own risk!

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I truly tremble to say this, I'm a big believer in the concept of u'reh b'tuv Yerushalyim, but if what Friedasima's saying is indicative of her personal experiences, how sad that this is in E"Y too. Apparently men can go to the Knesset in sports clothes, but the women have to go the full nine yards if they're in the public eye.
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Despite the fact that I'm philosophically opposed to cosmetic surgery, I find myself standing in front of the mirror, using my fingers to push my facial skin back and saying "Wow, that does make me look younger."

I would never have cosmetic surgery because I think it's a violation of halacha - putting yourself in danger unnecessarily - and because I hate needles and pain etc. I'm also not particularly concerned about my looks, although I do color my hair because the gray depresses me.

This woman is totally obsessed with her looks, which is way different from caring in a normal way. My mom is in her late 70's and colors her hair and wears make-up and it is important for her to look good but she would never have surgery.

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Freidasima: What do you mean about women who take hormones till 60? What hormones make you look younger? Birth control? Hormone replacement?

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Oh boy, if I only had time. Right now I'm at the library returning Cinderalla Ate My Daughter. There are a few pages, 138 -140, that I'm going to photo copy, they were that good. Maybe one day I'll have time to distill them.