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Posted: Thu, Feb 03 2011, 12:46 am Post subject: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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So Ami was flooded by letters about that controversial article 2 weeks ago. very good letters! I wonder how many were imamothers
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Posted: Thu, Feb 03 2011, 1:19 am Post subject: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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I finally read that article and I thought it was wonderful.
There was so much I read in there that was not mentioned.
I think it was great! Even my husband loved it.
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Posted: Thu, Feb 03 2011, 4:52 pm Post subject: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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MamaBear I was reading the letters thinking the same thing. "Is this from someone from imamother? What about this one?"
And yes I'm still trying it out. My DH was at the grocery store yesterday and they didn't have mishpacha but they had ami. I was going to vote for skipping but of course eldest DD wanted to get it. Of course for her it's Aim. The other two magazines are just the supplements.
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 9:21 am Post subject: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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Mrs Silber put her phone number in for all to feel free to call her.
I will call her and tell her I think she is wonderful, as are all the homebirthers and anyone that thinks for themselves. I only saw the good in the article, and everyone is entitled to their opinions.
My newest grandson is going to be unimmunized and I have to respect the choices that my children are making. They use Dr Shulman, and she is not thrilled to say the least. But she cannot refute my son's arguments, and the medical professionals have nothing to say because there is nothing to say.
They make a lot of money on many unnecessary procedures, immunizations is only one of them.
We tend to blindly follow and respect anyone with the word DR in front of their name.
My son has thoroughly researched this and came to his own conclusion, not because he is some hippie, but because he is so involved in the medical field in general, and really knows almost as much as any doctor.
He is living the healthy lifestyle, and sees the results firsthand.
It all goes together, homebirthing, not immunizing, healthy eating.
Just as most people will not do any of the above, I fail to see the alarmist attitude in the letter writers who seem to be so concerned about the young people in the general public.
Most of them will follow blindly, just as they have routine epidurals and all the other stuff that goes with it.
What are they so worried about?
But if there are thinkers out there, and they want to do the research and come to their own conclusions, every parent has the right to decide what and when to do with their children.
Vaccinations should not have to be forced down our throats!
If it is so wonderful, it should be a choice presented properly with all the pros and cons, and parents should have the right to decide without having to resort to "religious claims" to meet their needs.
This woman paved the way for people's rights to think and choose, and everyone is entitled to that right.
That is what is so great about her, she dared to go against the establishment, singlehandedly.
Maybe they are necessary and maybe not, but everyone deserves the right to choose.
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 9:32 am Post subject: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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I don't see "natural" lifestyle making people healthier as an average, in some cases it makes them sicker (those who have something bad and don't treat it correctly, those who are mentally obsessed and hysterical by all this). I'm not in awe that someone goes against the mainstream if I don't see a reason for it.
I'm all for choices until I see tiny newborns (too young for vax) catching horrible diseases because some choose their kid shouldn't be vaxed. They should go live on a desert island where no one will force them or judge them and they'll not make anyone sick.
BH schools and playgroups demand vaxing. Kids already catch colds there, I don't want to imagine if they could catch diseases we know how to prevent for a century or two. _________________
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 9:42 am Post subject: Re: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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| Ruchel wrote: | I don't see "natural" lifestyle making people healthier as an average, in some cases it makes them sicker (those who have something bad and don't treat it correctly, those who are mentally obsessed and hysterical by all this). I'm not in awe that someone goes against the mainstream if I don't see a reason for it.
I'm all for choices until I see tiny newborns (too young for vax) catching horrible diseases because some choose their kid shouldn't be vaxed. They should go live on a desert island where no one will force them or judge them and they'll not make anyone sick.
BH schools and playgroups demand vaxing. Kids already catch colds there, I don't want to imagine if they could catch diseases we know how to prevent for a century or two. |
Ruchel, its not a century or two, its maybe 70 or 80 years, and much less for the newer vaccines. (last 20 years maybe for the newest ones)
Many people that do not give the vaccines choose to homeschool for other reasons as well.
But the schools can no longer force anyone to vaccinate, because you can sign a form that you refuse.
There are many valid reasons, such as they used to be made with mercury, and they were proven unsafe, so now they are made with aluminum, also not too great, but better than mercury.
Many vaccines are totally unnecessary, and they are not mandatory. You can choose in the USA which ones you will give or not give. Each child and each family is different, and in some families the children experience severe reactions. The government hushes up the many lawsuits, and the drug companies pay millions to keep these parents quiet. Still the information is out there for whoever wants to check it out.
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 9:44 am Post subject: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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I still don't get the hype about Ami. The layout is messy, many spelling/writing mistakes and in general, it's just an odd magazine. _________________ Live the life you want to live. Be the person you want to remember. Make decisions. Make mistakes. If you failed, at least you tried.
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 9:47 am Post subject: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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You made me research it, you are right it's not one century it's much older
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination#History
You can refuse to vaccinate but then the child will be vaxed at school or not accepted. Law is law. BH.
I'm not talking about non mandatory vaccines like varicella.
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 9:55 am Post subject: Re: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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| Ruchel wrote: |
I'm all for choices until I see tiny newborns (too young for vax) catching horrible diseases because some choose their kid shouldn't be vaxed. They should go live on a desert island where no one will force them or judge them and they'll not make anyone sick.
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Emotive language does not a reasoned argument make.
It is SO difficult to find good, objective information about vaccines and the like, because both sides are guilty of using scare tactics.
Yes, the vision of "tiny infants" catching "horrible diseases" is an awful one. But how many of those have you actually SEEN, Ruchel? Or even read about? How many children have you seen/read about who have died, or lived with permanent disabilities as a result of auto accidents?
We live in a difficult world where sometimes, R"L, children get sick and even die. But decisions like these need to be based on real statistics. What are the REAL risks of catching disease x, and what are the likely consequences should it happen? And what are the REAL risks of vaccine y?
I say again, objective information is EXTREMELY hard to find.
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 9:56 am Post subject: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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People that like to write want to be in the magazine business. Its a money making business like any other.
First there was Mishpacha, then Binah, now Ami. Same thing, written three different ways.
Many articles are on the same topics, news for sure, and many themes are the same.
Competition is good for business, for consumers, for everyone.
However my concern is that with the internet becoming more and more prevalent in our society, how much longer will people be willing to pay for a magazine? All magazines can be put online. The Shabbos reading day is not long enough for so much reading material.
Ami is trying to be a bit more on the edge, Binah is very very typical and is afraid to touch anything controversial...Mishpacha is very "Israeli". I am still waiting for a women's magazine with photos of women!
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 9:58 am Post subject: Re: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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I'm trying to express the info, not to do anything emotional.
You don't know what I have seen, what has been personal, or around for me. Period.
BH for French laws.
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 9:59 am Post subject: Re: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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| rosehill wrote: | | Ruchel wrote: |
I'm all for choices until I see tiny newborns (too young for vax) catching horrible diseases because some choose their kid shouldn't be vaxed. They should go live on a desert island where no one will force them or judge them and they'll not make anyone sick.
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Emotive language does not a reasoned argument make.
It is SO difficult to find good, objective information about vaccines and the like, because both sides are guilty of using scare tactics.
Yes, the vision of "tiny infants" catching "horrible diseases" is an awful one. But how many of those have you actually SEEN, Ruchel? Or even read about? How many children have you seen/read about who have died, or lived with permanent disabilities as a result of auto accidents?
We live in a difficult world where sometimes, R"L, children get sick and even die. But decisions like these need to be based on real statistics. What are the REAL risks of catching disease x, and what are the likely consequences should it happen? And what are the REAL risks of vaccine y?
I say again, objective information is EXTREMELY hard to find. |
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 10:23 am Post subject: Re: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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| Ruchel wrote: | | I'm trying to express the info, not to do anything emotional. |
"tiny newborns (too young for vax) catching horrible diseases because some choose their kid shouldn't be vaxed" is not information. It's an illustration designed to evoke emotion.
Information would look something like "500,000 infants below the age of six months die each year in France of pertussis. Since they are too young to be vaccinated, this is one illness where the herd effect is essential to protect young babies". (FTR, I made that up, I'm not aware of any such statistic!!)
| Ruchel wrote: | | You don't know what I have seen, what has been personal, or around for me. Period. |
Exactly. Which is why I asked. So that your comments could be put in perspective. If you've been working on a paediatric ward for 20 years, then what you've seen, though not scientific evidence, would be very relevant information. If your neighbour had a son who R"L died of a horrible, preventable disease, then that's certainly very sad, but not really relevant to a theoretical discussion about the relative merits of vaccinations.
And if you look at your post, you did say "I see tiny newborns....", so I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask, well how many have you seen.
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 10:26 am Post subject: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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Ok, I'll be honest here and say to me this is play on word.
But have I seen cases? have I seen untolerable stats? have I heard from professionals you describe? Yes to all.
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 10:35 am Post subject: Re: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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| Grandmama wrote: | People that like to write want to be in the magazine business. Its a money making business like any other.
First there was Mishpacha, then Binah, now Ami. Same thing, written three different ways.
Many articles are on the same topics, news for sure, and many themes are the same.
Competition is good for business, for consumers, for everyone.
However my concern is that with the internet becoming more and more prevalent in our society, how much longer will people be willing to pay for a magazine? All magazines can be put online. The Shabbos reading day is not long enough for so much reading material.
Ami is trying to be a bit more on the edge, Binah is very very typical and is afraid to touch anything controversial...Mishpacha is very "Israeli". I am still waiting for a women's magazine with photos of women! |
All magazines can be put on line but you still need a print out for Shabbos. That adds up, in ink and energy invested.
Mishpacha is very Israeli, but there is a lot specifically for chutzniks. You have to orient yourself from page to page though. _________________ The righteous praise and honor people for every good quality that is found in them while the wicked seek out faults in others to pull them down, even if they repented those deeds. (Rabbeinu Yonah, from Partners in Kindness)
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 10:37 am Post subject: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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| And yeah, I know that this isn't what this thread is about but re vaccinating: it would be nice if insurance made it easier to have the vaxes on a more staggered schedule. I think that's something many pediatricians could work with, especially if it made parents on the fence more amenable to vaxing in general.
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I am into health foods and trying to be avoid the bad stuff but I think she was very very extreme. I was glad to read the letters two weeks later. You cannot play around with strept and going all natural is not always the safest way. I am glad not to be born into a family like that. _________________ Sunday social program forming in Brooklyn for children with social delays. Pm me for more info
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 12:18 pm Post subject: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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Mrs Chana Silber is a very smart woman, brilliant.
She put her PHONE NUMBER in Ami for anyone to call her.
Well I certainly did!
I called her and thanked her for putting herself out there, and letting the world know that she is using her brains! I admire her for not going to a doctor for the last 30+ years, for doing her own research.
This woman is a tzadekes, and she lives her beliefs.
I want to see all those letter writers get on the phone with her and carry on an intelligent conversation.
She says everything is in the TORAH!
Go ahead ladies, she does not bite!
But I do not think they will have the guts to call her, because deep down they know she is very right.
If you eat garbage, your body is a garbage can. If you eat healthy foods, and live your life the way Hashem intended, you do not need doctors medications or vitamins!
I hope to make it my business to get to Monsey and meet this marvelous woman in person!
I wish I could live my life the way she does.
I also wish there were more people like her.
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 12:19 pm Post subject: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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Mrs Chana Silber 845 352 6859
She would love to hear from all of you!
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Posted: Fri, Feb 04 2011, 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: re: Ami 9 :) Full of letters about Ami 7!! |
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| Grandmama wrote: | | If you eat healthy foods, and live your life the way Hashem intended, you do not need doctors medications or vitamins! |
Good one. You have no idea that some people are sick, do you?
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