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How are civilians protected in case a cop lies? Like if any trooper or cop rites a tickent that is a blatant lie, how can a civilian prove his innocence?
Yesterday, dh was driving 30 in a 25 mph zone, when a cop pulled him over and cited him for clocking in on 40. When DH unlatched his seatbelt so he could reach the glove compartment for his registration, he eraned another ticket for no seatbelts!
DH spoke to a liaison who said that this particular trooper is a known liar. Now what? How does DH prove himself with no actual proof?
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| Posted: Fri, Nov 19 2010, 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for cops |
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| amother wrote: | How are civilians protected in case a cop lies? Like if any trooper or cop rites a tickent that is a blatant lie, how can a civilian prove his innocence?
Yesterday, dh was driving 30 in a 25 mph zone, when a cop pulled him over and cited him for clocking in on 40. When DH unlatched his seatbelt so he could reach the glove compartment for his registration, he eraned another ticket for no seatbelts!
DH spoke to a liaison who said that this particular trooper is a known liar. Now what? How does DH prove himself with no actual proof? |
mistake, cop ticketed him for doing 45....
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| Posted: Fri, Nov 19 2010, 3:57 pm Post subject: re: A Question for cops |
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| What jurisdiction are you in? Btw, sometimes when you show up to court, the cop will lower the ticket to a lesser offense...
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| Posted: Fri, Nov 19 2010, 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: re: A Question for cops |
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| Yocheved84 wrote: | | What jurisdiction are you in? Btw, sometimes when you show up to court, the cop will lower the ticket to a lesser offense... |
why lesser offense, there is no offense! why should he bechlal have to go to court? he did nothing. this is what I'm asking, by law, how are civilians protected from lying cops?
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| Posted: Fri, Nov 19 2010, 4:05 pm Post subject: re: A Question for cops |
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| The only protection you have is to show up in traffic court and state your case. It's silly and a waste of time, but everyone has been there at some point. If you don't show, they automatically rule against you. My dad once got arrested for drunk driving when when he was in college, though he was neither drunk nor driving. He had to go to court to straighten it out. It was annoying and a waste of time, but it had to be done.
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| Posted: Fri, Nov 19 2010, 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: re: A Question for cops |
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| amother wrote: | | Yocheved84 wrote: | | What jurisdiction are you in? Btw, sometimes when you show up to court, the cop will lower the ticket to a lesser offense... |
why lesser offense, there is no offense! why should he bechlal have to go to court? he did nothing. this is what I'm asking, by law, how are civilians protected from lying cops? |
I meant to say that they could give you a ticket for something less severe if you bargain with them, or the judge himself can sometimes lower the fine. You don't want points on a license--that's why I'm suggesting this.
I'm not saying to accept defeat, but it's hard when it's the cop's word versus your DH's. Is this in NYC or are you in a smaller town?
It's one of those annoying parts of life.
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| Posted: Fri, Nov 19 2010, 4:22 pm Post subject: re: A Question for cops |
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Going to court=less working hours=losing money, so already it is costing us!
Why isn't there any law in place to protect civilians from liars?
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| Aren't they sworn, under oath ?
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| Posted: Fri, Nov 19 2010, 4:50 pm Post subject: re: A Question for cops |
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| because when the idea of cops was invented, it was an obvious that they would be there to guide, to show the way, not to lie! it's only in this crazy world of 2010 that cops are so corrupt! there are so many of them in prison!
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 20 2010, 3:31 pm Post subject: re: A Question for cops |
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how frustrating. at least it is just a ticket and not worse. (just in the middle of reading John Grishams latest book)
can you at least report the policeman? maybe if they get enough complaints he will be fired.
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My understanding is that if the cop doesn't show up at the traffic court that the ticket is automatically thrown out.
I am sorry you are dealing with this.
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 20 2010, 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: re: A Question for cops |
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| Raisin wrote: | how frustrating. at least it is just a ticket and not worse. (just in the middle of reading John Grishams latest book)
can you at least report the policeman? maybe if they get enough complaints he will be fired. |
the liaison we spoke to told dh he got a couple of complaints already on this trooper, so he will report him.
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 20 2010, 9:34 pm Post subject: re: A Question for cops |
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| that is AWFUL. it is sooo frustrating and horrible to get an undeserved ticket. who has the time to go down to court to fight the ticket? and not everyone has the financial situation to support paying tickets, particularly undeserved ones. UGH. I feel for you, OP. the ticketing system is beyond the pits. can you speak to a lower-level gvmt representative, such as your councilman? the system is just SO unfair. the lying cop must be stopped. you definitely should register a complaint with someone, im not sure who, but perhaps with the police department directly? GOOD LUCK!!!
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| chocolate moose wrote: | | Aren't they sworn, under oath ? |
I am a court reporter. I have taken down depositions from attorneys who have questioned police officers, bus drivers, doctors, etc.
They can twist the truth without actually lying. But I have seen people lie under oath.
If someone does not believe in Hashem, what's to stop them from lying? Why would anyone care if they swore under oath unless they believe in Hashem?
Even if someone does believe in Hashem, how much do they actually believe? Why would anyone hesitate to lie under oath, except in cases where being caught lying can cause someone to lose their license.
That's why I noticed that doctors never lie, but they can twist the truth a bith depending on who's hiring them.
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If someone does not believe in Hashem, what's to stop them from lying? Why would anyone care if they swore under oath unless they believe in Hashem?
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Most people know that perjury is wrong.
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| amother wrote: | | That's why I noticed that doctors never lie, but they can twist the truth a bith depending on who's hiring them. |
How do you know the doctors aren't lying?
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 20 2010, 10:01 pm Post subject: re: A Question for cops |
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| omg I totally feel for u!we also had a cop give us 2 tickets for absolutely no reason!!whats ur cops name?mine was given on the thruway!
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 20 2010, 10:36 pm Post subject: re: A Question for cops |
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| Quote: | | If someone does not believe in Hashem, what's to stop them from lying? Why would anyone care if they swore under oath unless they believe in Hashem? |
Morality without religion is common. People have an innate sense of right and wrong. We don't all do the right thing just so the Guy in the Sky won't send us to hell.
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| Posted: Sat, Nov 20 2010, 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: re: A Question for cops |
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| marina wrote: | | Quote: | | If someone does not believe in Hashem, what's to stop them from lying? Why would anyone care if they swore under oath unless they believe in Hashem? |
Morality without religion is common. People have an innate sense of right and wrong. We don't all do the right thing just so the Guy in the Sky won't send us to hell. |
True but her post is explaining how it is possible for someone to swear under oath and still lie.
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| The answer to her question has nothing to do with religion, unfortunately. Religious and irreligious people both justify lying under oath the same way, by convincing themselves it's not really wrong or it is for a higher cause.
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