Toiveling Disposable Pans

Posted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 7:55 pm Post subject: Toiveling Disposable Pans

I heard that I would have to toivel a disposable cookie sheet even if I cover it with parchment paper/aluminum foil. Do you do this?

Posted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 7:59 pm Post subject: re: Toiveling Disposable Pans

I don't because I only use it once, but I know of people who do and my sister uses it more than once, so she toivels them anyway. When I lived in the states, I might have been able to use it more than once, but the ones here are so junky, it's not even possible. I am happy to have them, though. Wink

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Yes. I just found that out too. Now my husband toivels my cookie sheets that I generally reuse, and also some 9x13 or smaller pans in case I want to reuse them.

Basically, even though you are covering it with foil or parchment paper, you are still using it as a keli, and therefore it needs to be toiveled.

Posted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 8:52 pm Post subject: re: Toiveling Disposable Pans

I learned that a few years ago and it irritated me so much that I went out and bought REAL cookie sheets and REAL 9 X 13 pyrex.
I mean seriously??!!
If I am going to toivel stuff it better be something I will use and use and use...
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There was a write-up in the Yated Halacha section about toiveling pans that you will reuse, I think this past week. I didn't get a definitive answer from it - some say it does not need to be toiveled, because it was made not to be reused, but if you decide to reuse it then youre making a new "Kli" (therefore not made by a gentile). But there also poskim who say you should toivel it.

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Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2010, 12:54 am Post subject:

I only use an aluminum pan once, so no. The only time I even use them is if:
1. I'm cooking for someone else and I don't feel like keeping track of my dish.
2. I'm cooking to stock my freezer for after birth and I'm making something that doesn't transfer well (from pot/dish to Tupperware and back again).
3. Pesach...I don't have a full supply of baking dishes yet, so I'm stuck using aluminum.
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We tovel disposable pans even if they're only going to be used once. I have no idea why; it's what my inlaws do.

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I bend the pan out of shape and then I bend it into shape. This way I'm the one who "made" the item, and it therefore doesn't need to be toiveled.

Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2010, 2:23 am Post subject:

mm, do you mean Israeli made pans? They are made by Jews anyway, no?
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Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2010, 3:34 am Post subject:

I try hard to not use so much aluminum as well, but I learned, like other posters, that it was made to be disposable. even if you choose to reuse it, since it is not a "quality" pan made to be used again, it does not require tevila.

Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2010, 4:42 am Post subject:

We were told we need to toivel any glass bottles/ jars we want to reuse for storage. Even the ones in Israel are made in one factory called Finitzia (sp?) which apparently is owned by a non-Jew.

Posted: Thu, Apr 22 2010, 5:49 am Post subject: re: Toiveling Disposable Pans

The Israeli pans (at least the ones in the stores near me) have a hechsher on them, that they were made by jews and no need to toivel them.

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[quote="RachelEve14
This is how how I learned. I also learned that if you would throw it away, then it's considered disposable even if you decide to use it more than once. I reuse coffee jars to store things, but if they get dirty or I get fed up I toss them, and I was told I don't have to tovel them since I'm still willing to throw them out I don't consider them permanent.[/quote]
I also learned that about the coffee jars. I think it might be different for the pans becasue they are metal as opposed to glass.

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