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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 20 2010, 10:54 pm    Post subject:
 
ra_mom wrote:
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chaylizi wrote:
you don't know of any meat that melts in your mouth? brisket, lamb, veal, many different roasts. maybe you just need a tutorial. I don't think how long you've been married has much to do with it.


Lamb I said above I know is delicious, and I prefer it grilled.
Veal I never buy or cook, I am anti veal. Google it if you want to know why.
Brisket comes out ok, I make it just like you say, with spices, wine, onions, etc. And everyone loves it except for me. I think it tastes like cardboard.

You would enjoy a pickled deckle!


Maybe I would, I do enjoy pickled tongue. But tongue is always soft and delicious.
I tried pickled turkey, but it was just salted cardboard.
The only pickled poultry you should try is DARK meat pickled turkey or chicken. They are both delicious. Though I like them better cold (the chicken should ONLY be served cold). They taste like cold cuts. Or better.
Pickled turkey or chicken (white meat) is pretty gross.


Yeah well it was white meat turkey. Glad I am not the only one who doesn't like it.
When I tried dark meat chicken pickled, I found it way too salty, even though I threw off the water several times before cooking it. I really am not a meat lover. My family loves everything, so at least there is nothing left, and I get to eat ice cream instead, so its okay.
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 20 2010, 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
Aizer K'negdo in progress wrote:
Thank you again for all your suggestions:
OOBubby:

I usually cook on the stove top my meat in the dutch oven or pressure cooker

I tried with a pickled roast to do it in the oven and it came again good taste bad texture Crying or Very sad .

So what usually happens to the meat in the dutch oven is as follow:
browned
covered with liquid
brought to a boil
lower flame let simmer 3h

weight of meat about 2-3 lbs


Type of meat: all cut

Pressure cooker:

browned
covered with liquid
once you hear PSHHHHHHHH you decrease the fire you let it cook for 1h

Type of Meat: roast/briskets,...
Weight: what ever the butcher gives me when I say the number of guests




So here are the details.

We're getting there I'm sure

Thank you

Use a stainless steel pot instead of Dutch oven. Use a size appropriate pot. Roast should just fit in pot. Pot should not be too big. This is a very important step.
Place roast in pot. Almost cover meat in water. Bring water to a boil. Lower flame and simmer for 1 - 1.5 hours for a 3 lb roast.
Do not cook longer.
Do leave roast to cool in pot along with water.
Then place in fridge.
Slice the next day.
Reheat sliced meat in reserved cooking water.
Do not reheat for more than 30 minutes.
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PostPosted: Tue, Apr 20 2010, 11:07 pm    Post subject: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
There is an amazing meat receipe in the Kosher By Design for Kids...I make it all the time and it practically falls apart in your mouth!!
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 12:00 am    Post subject: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
I usualy make meat in the oven...big pieces like a roast...the best ever secret is to leave it in the oven (after fully cooked) in the lowest setting (aprox 200) all night....
it sound crazy but it really really really works its amazing....
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
[quote="LeoRafi"]There is an amazing meat receipe in the Kosher By Design for Kids...I make it all the time and it practically falls apart in your mouth!![/quote

Can you please post the recipe?
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 12:59 pm    Post subject: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
We are all puzzled as per what am I doing wrong so how about we reverse , tell me what to do in real time.

How about you walk me throught the cooking process step by step:

You tell me a time and I will be there with my "trial brisket" waiting to cook.

I cut the big 3 lbs brisket in 2 so I can try.
If I miss I always have the other piece!
Less chance of just ruining 40$ of meat!

so here is the weight of the 1st brisket:
1lb 4,89 ounces

So now what do I do?
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 1:12 pm    Post subject: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
That's a very small piece of meat (under 1.5 lb.) so it's a little hard to indicate timing.

And, FYI, 3 lb. isn't a huge one either, just standard. It'd need to be over 5 lb. to be huge in my book.

I'd take your meat, put it in a small roasting pan (a standard foil pan should do), onions, garlic if you want on bottom of pan. Smear roast with crushed garlic too.

Add whatever kind of liquids you like (see thread for ideas) to cover roast around halfway).

Cover tightly.

Cook covered at 325 degrees for 1½-2 hours (because roast is so small). Check to see that it looks cooked and is at least slightly tender to the fork.

Refrigerate it in liquid until fat is congealed. Remove congealed fat. Slice cooled roast and return to defatted pan liquids. Cover tightly and cook at 325 until as tender as you'd like (probably 30-60 minutes more). Then keep warm until needed in 200 degree oven or on plata.

I'll note that I'm guestimating timing since I've never cooked a roast under 2½ lb. (hopefully someone here can and can give you better timing from experience).

Different people have slightly different procedures such as cooking longer in slower oven, or cooling out of liquid, but none of those should really make a difference.

The key is to cook it until it is just slightly tender, then get it sliced (easiest to do nicely after it is cooked) then return to liquid and cook until fully soft.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 1:22 pm    Post subject: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
I don't know anyone who cooks a brisket in a pressure cooker.

I think most of us do brisket in the oven, cooked with liquid.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 1:25 pm    Post subject:
 
OOTBubby wrote:
chaylizi wrote:
I do most of my meat the same way- regardless of cut- I also use aluminum pans(although I double it, just to make it easier to carry.) I season the meat with onion powder, garlic powder, salt, pepper & sometimes paprika. Rub seasonings in with generous amount of olive oil. Slice onions and put under meat. Pour dry/semi-sweet red wine over meat (& also water). I loosely cover pan & stick in at 350. I usually put it in for 3 hours and then cut open to check the color.

This holds true for most meats except for veal. I have a whole convoluted recipe for that, but it is amazing. & funnily enough gets moister every time I warm it up.


How about sharing the veal recipe?


as soon as I dig it up, I will.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
OOTBubby wrote:
That's a very small piece of meat (under 1.5 lb.) so it's a little hard to indicate timing.

And, FYI, 3 lb. isn't a huge one either, just standard. It'd need to be over 5 lb. to be huge in my book.

I'd take your meat, put it in a small roasting pan (a standard foil pan should do), onions, garlic if you want on bottom of pan. Smear roast with crushed garlic too.

Add whatever kind of liquids you like (see thread for ideas) to cover roast around halfway).

Cover tightly.

Cook covered at 325 degrees for 1½-2 hours (because roast is so small). Check to see that it looks cooked and is at least slightly tender to the fork.

Refrigerate it in liquid until fat is congealed. Remove congealed fat. Slice cooled roast and return to defatted pan liquids. Cover tightly and cook at 325 until as tender as you'd like (probably 30-60 minutes more). Then keep warm until needed in 200 degree oven or on plata.

I'll note that I'm guestimating timing since I've never cooked a roast under 2½ lb. (hopefully someone here can and can give you better timing from experience).

Different people have slightly different procedures such as cooking longer in slower oven, or cooling out of liquid, but none of those should really make a difference.

The key is to cook it until it is just slightly tender, then get it sliced (easiest to do nicely after it is cooked) then return to liquid and cook until fully soft.



You are right I said my "big 3lbs brisket" as a joke bc it is a small piece and to cut it in half makes it even "bigger"!!! lol

I just do not want to mess up the whole 3 lbs!
If I do miss it I prefer to have used up 1 1/2 lb instead of 3!
We are not many this shabbos so it is the perfect time!

I have a few questions:

1.Can I do it in a stainless steel pot instead of aluminum baking pan (the one I have are just too big!)?
2. what kind of liquid should I use exactly? (we are not to keen on sweet taste)
3. when you say "cover it tightly" do you mean a should close it completely ie all around with aluminum foil?
4. Why is it important to "de-fat" the cooking juice once it is cold?
5. can I do the recipe today 4 shabbos? or is it too early?

thank you so much OOTBubby
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 2:45 pm    Post subject:
 
About defatting gravy while it is cold, I'm assuming it is probably because the fat solidifies when it's cold & it is only possibly to strain it when the fat is solid.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 2:50 pm    Post subject:
 
chaylizi wrote:
About defatting gravy while it is cold, I'm assuming it is probably because the fat solidifies when it's cold & it is only possibly to strain it when the fat is solid.


Correct.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
Aizer K'negdo in progress wrote:
Thank you again for all your suggestions:
OOBubby:

I usually cook on the stove top my meat in the dutch oven or pressure cooker

I tried with a pickled roast to do it in the oven and it came again good taste bad texture Crying or Very sad .

So what usually happens to the meat in the dutch oven is as follow:
browned
covered with liquid
brought to a boil
lower flame let simmer 3h

weight of meat about 2-3 lbs

Type of meat: all cut

Pressure cooker:

browned
covered with liquid
once you hear PSHHHHHHHH you decrease the fire you let it cook for 1h

Type of Meat: roast/briskets,...
Weight: what ever the butcher gives me when I say the number of guests




So here are the details.

We're getting there I'm sure

Thank you


I stopped reading the thread after this post. Because that's your problem right there. For the Love of Hashem! Don't ever EVER boil meat. You just ruined it foreverrrrrrrrrr! No amount of slow cooking, low flames, low heat, miracle sauce or marinade will save it.

So this is what I recommend you do:
1. brown meat - take out of dutch oven
2. layer sliced onion on bottom
3. place browned meat on top
4. add a cup of water or 1/2 cup of water and 1/2 cup red wine
not necessary to cover. In fact better if you don't, that's why I recommend you layer the bottom, so that the meat is 1. not directly on the hottest part of the dutch oven and 2. above the liquid.
5. DO NOT BRING TO A BOIL - don't worry, all bacteria will be dead by the time it's finished cooking
Cook on really really low flame. A dutch oven is cast iron, so it will retain heat really really well. Make sure it's not too hot. I don't know how to tell you to test this, other then, personnaly, I will tap it with my hand and I won't be scalded. That's when I know it's not too hot.
6. simmer 4h to 5h
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
I have a few questions:

1.Can I do it in a stainless steel pot instead of aluminum baking pan (the one I have are just too big!)?


Can't answer that -- I always use some kind of a roasting pan (can be disposable aluminum, regular, enameled, etc, but a pan, not a pot).


2. what kind of liquid should I use exactly? (we are not to keen on sweet taste)

I make sweet roasts -- look at some of the suggestions here and in other threads about roasts to see what appeals to you.

3. when you say "cover it tightly" do you mean a should close it completely ie all around with aluminum foil?

Yes.


4. Why is it important to "de-fat" the cooking juice once it is cold?

The fat solidifies when cold can be just lifted off. It's almost impossible to remove it well unless it's solidified.

5. can I do the recipe today 4 shabbos? or is it too early?

Today is fine. That way if it's easiest (my preference), you can refrigerate it overnight, then slice and finish it tomorrow or Friday.


thank you so much OOTBubby

My pleasure.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 2:55 pm    Post subject: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
not necessary to cover - I meant the meat with liquid. But yes, cover the dutch oven. Basically, you are slow steaming the meat and NOT BOILING IT!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
hycup wrote:
not necessary to cover - I meant the meat with liquid. But yes, cover the dutch oven. Basically, you are slow steaming the meat and NOT BOILING IT!!!!


Correct. Very important to tightly cover the pan. In my opinion, meat shouldn't be totally covered with liquid, just some in the pan (doesn't even need much as the meat will exude juices to add to it significantly).
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 2:57 pm    Post subject:
 
Also, while many people do brown the meat first (it is supposed to reduce shrinkage and increase the flavor), I never bother, and my meat is delicious.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
Aizer K'negdo in progress wrote:
OOTBubby wrote:
That's a very small piece of meat (under 1.5 lb.) so it's a little hard to indicate timing.

And, FYI, 3 lb. isn't a huge one either, just standard. It'd need to be over 5 lb. to be huge in my book.

I'd take your meat, put it in a small roasting pan (a standard foil pan should do), onions, garlic if you want on bottom of pan. Smear roast with crushed garlic too.

Add whatever kind of liquids you like (see thread for ideas) to cover roast around halfway).

Cover tightly.

Cook covered at 325 degrees for 1½-2 hours (because roast is so small). Check to see that it looks cooked and is at least slightly tender to the fork.

Refrigerate it in liquid until fat is congealed. Remove congealed fat. Slice cooled roast and return to defatted pan liquids. Cover tightly and cook at 325 until as tender as you'd like (probably 30-60 minutes more). Then keep warm until needed in 200 degree oven or on plata.

I'll note that I'm guestimating timing since I've never cooked a roast under 2½ lb. (hopefully someone here can and can give you better timing from experience).

Different people have slightly different procedures such as cooking longer in slower oven, or cooling out of liquid, but none of those should really make a difference.

The key is to cook it until it is just slightly tender, then get it sliced (easiest to do nicely after it is cooked) then return to liquid and cook until fully soft.



You are right I said my "big 3lbs brisket" as a joke bc it is a small piece and to cut it in half makes it even "bigger"!!! lol

I just do not want to mess up the whole 3 lbs!
If I do miss it I prefer to have used up 1 1/2 lb instead of 3!
We are not many this shabbos so it is the perfect time!

I have a few questions:

1.Can I do it in a stainless steel pot instead of aluminum baking pan (the one I have are just too big!)?
2. what kind of liquid should I use exactly? (we are not to keen on sweet taste)
3. when you say "cover it tightly" do you mean a should close it completely ie all around with aluminum foil?
4. Why is it important to "de-fat" the cooking juice once it is cold?
5. can I do the recipe today 4 shabbos? or is it too early?

thank you so much OOTBubby
I can give you step by step instructions for making that size brisket in a stainless steel pot, on the stove.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 3:03 pm    Post subject:
 
I also never bother OOTBubby, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to keep her recipe as close as possible to what she already does do.

Aizer K'negdo, meat is a muscle. What happens when you are dehydrated, hot, and have exercised like crazy? You get a muscle cramp! That's what's happening to the meat when you boil it. All the water and nutrients leave the muscle, salt enters it, and the muscle cells harden up.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 21 2010, 3:05 pm    Post subject: re: best secret for "melt in your mouth"meat?
 
ok ladies
I'M VERY NERVOUS/ANXIOUS

but I'm going for it!

I am as we speak starting the meat:

here is what I'm doing now:

1. browning the meat 2-3 minutes per side until golden brown right?
it should take about 10 minutes to brown right?
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