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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 2:26 pm Post subject: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 2:48 pm Post subject: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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That's a very broad question to answer. It would depend on your lifestyle, how old your child is and what you do or don't do. _________________ Live the life you want to live. Be the person you want to remember. Make decisions. Make mistakes. If you failed, at least you tried.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 5:12 pm Post subject: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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It also depends on how you define "spoiling."
As an only child myself who, in turn, has five kids, k"ah, I've come to the conclusion that all kids are spoiled -- just in different ways!
On one hand, I had every possible economic advantage growing up. My parents lived relatively frugally and required me to do the same, but money was never, ever a problem. On the other hand, they had very, very high expectations for me. My high school memories include constantly calculating and re-calculating my GPA and doing everything I could to make sure I was accepted to somewhere prestigious enough to satisfy my parents. My mother was a bit of a perfectionist, too, and had very little tolerance for anything "childish." There was a lot of pressure on me to behave far beyond my years as well as perform at an advanced level intellectually.
Fast-forward 30-some years, and I see my kids aren't as spoiled financially as I was, but they are spoiled by growing up in a more loosey-goosey environment as a result of a middle-aged mother who's always a bit overwhelmed by a bunch of kids. They take things far more in stride than I did -- they are far more relaxed and have a lot more fun than I did as a child or teenager.
Now, if by "spoiling," you mean "behaving like a brat," then no one gets special dispensation. Don't hover or baby an only child, and he/she will be fine.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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| Fox wrote: | It also depends on how you define "spoiling."
As an only child myself who, in turn, has five kids, k"ah, I've come to the conclusion that all kids are spoiled -- just in different ways! |
I don't think every child is spoiled.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 6:22 pm Post subject: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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My oldest cousin is an only child (so are a couple other cousins, but this story isn't about them). When he was a little kid, my aunt made no effort not to spoil him. She gave him whatever he wanted. Her attitude was, he'll learn to share when he gets to school.
Her siblings were all in shock - doesn't she know that's bad parenting? How irresponsible can you get?
But in the end - siblings were wrong, aunt was right. My cousin went to school, learned that if you want friends you have to play nicely and share, and turned into a very caring and wonderful person, BH.
I don't know if that exact method would work in all cases. But I have seen among my family and friends that the only children don't seem any more spoiled than the rest. After all, when they wanted to socialize they had to go make friends and not just stay home and play with siblings, and you have to treat your friends way better than you treat your siblings, so they learned to play nice.
You didn't say exactly what you mean by "spoiled," but IMO the only way a kid is spoiled is if they're selfish and don't treat others well. If they're caring, know how to share, etc, no harm is done if they don't have to split the last cookie when they're at home, or if they get to choose 100% of the books at story time.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 7:00 pm Post subject: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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| What is spoiling? If you mean giving in to a child's every whim and whine, well, there is no reason an only child is more at risk than a group of siblings. If it means giving a child perhaps more time and attention than would otherwise be possible...is that bad?
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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| ora_43 wrote: | My oldest cousin is an only child (so are a couple other cousins, but this story isn't about them). When he was a little kid, my aunt made no effort not to spoil him. She gave him whatever he wanted. Her attitude was, he'll learn to share when he gets to school.
Her siblings were all in shock - doesn't she know that's bad parenting? How irresponsible can you get?
But in the end - siblings were wrong, aunt was right. My cousin went to school, learned that if you want friends you have to play nicely and share, and turned into a very caring and wonderful person, BH.
I don't know if that exact method would work in all cases. But I have seen among my family and friends that the only children don't seem any more spoiled than the rest. After all, when they wanted to socialize they had to go make friends and not just stay home and play with siblings, and you have to treat your friends way better than you treat your siblings, so they learned to play nice.
You didn't say exactly what you mean by "spoiled," but IMO the only way a kid is spoiled is if they're selfish and don't treat others well. If they're caring, know how to share, etc, no harm is done if they don't have to split the last cookie when they're at home, or if they get to choose 100% of the books at story time. |
I think she had good luck in that. It is a very big risk to take. I know that my son, no matter how hard I work on him sharing when friends/neighbors come over, or when he's over at someone's house, he still has an issue with it. I keep on hearing the 'he's an only child' line and it drives me crazy. He's been out of the house (playgroup, school etc...) since about 20 months and still has an issue with it. I work hard on teaching him and still, he hasn't grasped it.
As an aside, spoiling a child isn't only about sharing. It goes way beyond that.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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Now, if by "spoiling," you mean "behaving like a brat," then no one gets special dispensation. |
this.
I have a friend who is BH from a very wealthy home (not an only child). I don't she's ever NOT gotten something she wanted. I wouldn't call her spoiled. I just think she has very very high expectations compared to the rest of us.
But if you're talking about discipline, setting reasonable boundaries, keeping yourself from being wrapped around the child's little finger, teaching respect for adults...those are all the things I would be worried about. _________________ I'm not trying to offend, but I don't care about being PC.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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| mltjm wrote: | | But if you're talking about discipline, setting reasonable boundaries, keeping yourself from being wrapped around the child's little finger, teaching respect for adults...those are all the things I would be worried about. |
All parents, of children only and otherwise, need to be concerned (if not actually worried) about effective parenting. As a parent of an only child I often wonder why people assume parents like me don't have a clue.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 10:39 pm Post subject: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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| one of my closest friends is an only chidl and tot not spiled!!! it must be very hard for her parents but thay do not hover over her... she went to camp,sem, and spends regular amount of time by her parents post marriage... I think their decision not to suffocate her made her not spoiled
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| I think parents should be far more worried about making sure they don't pressure their only child to be their perfect little nachas machine. It's just not acceptable.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 10:52 pm Post subject: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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Either extreme is unhealthy...
indulged brat vs. little nachas machine?
Both sound like products of poor parenting.
[by the way, chaylitzi, love the phrase you used: "perfect little nachas machine"]
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 10:56 pm Post subject: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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I re-read the original post. You asked for tips...
I'd say give your child opportunities to be responsible for him/herself as well as for the family. I.e. cleaning up own room, putting own things away, etc. and for the family - setting table, taking out garbage, loading dishwasher, etc.
Another thing = encourage social interaction with other children the same age. That way, he/she can learn that you have to take turns, respect another child's feelings, learn the natural consequences of arguments and fighting etc.
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Posted: Mon, Mar 15 2010, 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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| cm wrote: | | mltjm wrote: | | But if you're talking about discipline, setting reasonable boundaries, keeping yourself from being wrapped around the child's little finger, teaching respect for adults...those are all the things I would be worried about. |
All parents, of children only and otherwise, need to be concerned (if not actually worried) about effective parenting. As a parent of an only child I often wonder why people assume parents like me don't have a clue. |
Of course you need to be concerned and/or worried about your only child. But I have seen a tendency among 'only parents' not to notice these types of behaviors for whatever reason. Maybe it's because they are giving their undivided attention to one child. Maybe it's because they don't realize the kid has them wrapped around their finger. Maybe because it's easier to let one child get away with murder when their are no others to copy cat and follow suit. Whatever the reason.
Either way, my intention wasn't to point this out to the OP specifically in reference to her only child. I was trying to clarify what she meant by the term 'spoiled.'
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| chaylizi wrote: | | I think parents should be far more worried about making sure they don't pressure their only child to be their perfect little nachas machine. It's just not acceptable. |
I agree about not hovering over the child but I don't think it's about perfect little nachas machines. It's simply easier to see an only child doing something wrong than it is to see one of 5 that is in another room. I have to keep on reminding myself that had he been one of many or even a few, I would most likely not pick up on the fact that he threw X on the floor instead of the garbage. Or that he didn't put his dirty clothes in the hamper.
| mltjm wrote: |
Of course you need to be concerned and/or worried about your only child. But I have seen a tendency among 'only parents' not to notice these types of behaviors for whatever reason. Maybe it's because they are giving their undivided attention to one child. Maybe it's because they don't realize the kid has them wrapped around their finger. Maybe because it's easier to let one child get away with murder when their are no others to copy cat and follow suit. Whatever the reason.
Either way, my intention wasn't to point this out to the OP specifically in reference to her only child. I was trying to clarify what she meant by the term 'spoiled.' |
I think it's normal to pick up on such stuff and pin it on the 'only' factor whereas when there's such a child that's one of a few, he's most likely called the 'difficult child'. I find it interesting that you say that parents of only children don't pick up on such behaviors. Perhaps they hover so much over their onlies that they have to cut them some slack. I know that I am sometimes too strict with my son on account of him being the only child to focus on. It isn't about being a perfect nachas machine.
(And I find it somewhat offensive.)
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Does he need to have straight A's, be on the kindergarten dean's list and play 3 musical instruments?
If he doesn't need to be everything you hoped for all your kids, then I wasn't referring to parents like you.
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| chaylizi wrote: | Does he need to have straight A's, be on the kindergarten dean's list and play 3 musical instruments?
If he doesn't need to be everything you hoped for all your kids, then I wasn't referring to parents like you. |
Not at all. None of these.
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LG, I agree hovering parents need to give some slack, but I'm disagreeing about which areas to give it to them. No, they don't have to bring home perfect grades, get their manners right every time, or get the garbage in one throw. They are not going to be perfect nachas machines, no child is. But to cut them slack for chutzpa, manipulation or plain bad behavior is wrong for any child, only or not.
(I'm not sure what you're offended about)
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| mltjm wrote: | LG, I agree hovering parents need to give some slack, but I'm disagreeing about which areas to give it to them. No, they don't have to bring home perfect grades, get their manners right every time, or get the garbage in one throw. They are not going to be perfect nachas machines, no child is. But to cut them slack for chutzpa, manipulation or plain bad behavior is wrong for any child, only or not.
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I agree. I don't think I said otherwise.
(I'm offended that you seem to be labeling onlies with the above. There's LOADS of manipulation, chutzpa and bad behavior from children that are from large families. In fact, I often find onlies to be way more mannered as their parents are more on top of them.)
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Posted: Tue, Mar 16 2010, 6:39 am Post subject: re: How NOT to spoil an only child? |
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| I'd like to hear from the OP again - what are your concerns?
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