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so what kind of jobs do you consider a woman's job
what kind of jobs do you consider a man's job
and how about which do you consider to be bi-gender jobs
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 11:08 am Post subject: re: woman's vs man's job |
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hmmm, although you do rarely hear of men or women doing these jobs: (my friend had a male midwife!)
womens jobs:
midwife
nurse
nanny
kg teacher
mens:
construction worker (including things like bricklaying and so on)
lorry driver
any other job that is very very physical - sanitation workers, etc.
hmmm, can't think of any more.
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 11:21 am Post subject: Re: woman's vs man's job |
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| greenfire wrote: | so what kind of jobs do you consider a woman's job
what kind of jobs do you consider a man's job
and how about which do you consider to be bi-gender jobs |
Biological women are the only ones who can give birth. Biological men are the only ones who can provide sperm for conception.
Everything else is open for everyone.
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 11:31 am Post subject: Re: woman's vs man's job |
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| Barbara wrote: | | greenfire wrote: | so what kind of jobs do you consider a woman's job
what kind of jobs do you consider a man's job
and how about which do you consider to be bi-gender jobs |
Biological women are the only ones who can give birth. Biological men are the only ones who can provide sperm for conception.
Everything else is open for everyone. |
 it's true but you said it really cute.
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 11:37 am Post subject: re: woman's vs man's job |
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Man job includes heavy labor - construction, electric, plumbing
Women - secretarial work though can be done by men too
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 11:46 am Post subject: Re: re: woman's vs man's job |
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| RightOnTarget wrote: | Man job includes heavy labor - construction, electric, plumbing
Women - secretarial work though can be done by men too |
Did you know that 100 years ago, secretarial work was done primarily by men?
Why can't women do heavy labor, assuming that they are able to do the work? If a woman can pick up and do whatever is needed, why shouldn't she be able to get the job?
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 11:53 am Post subject: re: woman's vs man's job |
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When we redid our house, the most skilled carpenter we had was a woman. I don't see why a woman can't be a plumber or electrician too. Neither of them are such terribly physical jobs. A ditch-digger, now, maybe wouldn't be a woman's job.
My aunt was hospitalized a lot at the end of her life. Her favorite nurse was male.
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 11:55 am Post subject: Re: re: woman's vs man's job |
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| Barbara wrote: | | Why can't women do heavy labor, assuming that they are able to do the work? If a woman can pick up and do whatever is needed, why shouldn't she be able to get the job? |
I don't think anyone's saying "man's job" as in "only men should be allowed to do this job." It's just that, biologically, men are much much more likely to be able to do certain things like move heavy furniture or run 40 kilometers with a heavy backpack (for a military career, for example), so those are generally perceived as "men's jobs" -- but whatever women out there can lift a stove on their backs or run while carrying a 6'6" man on a stretcher are welcome to apply.
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 11:57 am Post subject: re: woman's vs man's job |
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I think women arent allowed in the program
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 11:59 am Post subject: re: woman's vs man's job |
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during ww2 women in the uk were employed on farms tot ake the place of the male labourers who had gone off to fight.
Ok I thought of jobs that are exclusive.
men - sperm donor
women - wet nurse.
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| Raisin wrote: | during ww2 women in the uk were employed on farms tot ake the place of the male labourers who had gone off to fight.
Ok I thought of jobs that are exclusive.
men - sperm donor
women - wet nurse. |
Except that men can be given hormones that enable them to lactate, so a man can be a wet nurse.
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: re: woman's vs man's job |
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| Raisin wrote: | hmmm, although you do rarely hear of men or women doing these jobs: (my friend had a male midwife!)
womens jobs:
midwife
nurse
nanny
kg teacher
mens:
construction worker (including things like bricklaying and so on)
lorry driver
any other job that is very very physical - sanitation workers, etc.
hmmm, can't think of any more. |
In many chadarim men do teach kindergartners.
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working in a male dominated field, I can tell you why it is so.
It unofficially demands extreme amounts of hours, and this isn't to make 6 figures, but just to get ahead at all.
Be frum, be pregnant, be the primary caregiver to take off when there are snow days, sick kids, etc., and well, forget getting good assignments or responsibilities and therefore, the promotions. The only way around this is if you are married to another engineer, or someone making better money than that (which I'm not), don't have tuition to pay (which I do), and therefore can afford to pay a nanny/housekeeper/chauffer to watch/clean/shlep your kids around and be their parent, and she would have to actually want someone else raising her kids (which I don't).
I know. I live it. I'm an engineer. That's why overall, even though other male dominated fields have gotten more 'equal', engineering hasn't.
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| Legally, males can not be mammographers anymore in NY State.
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 2:01 pm Post subject: re: woman's vs man's job |
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Man Jobs:
cooking
cleaning
laundry
bedtime for kids
bathtime for kids
shopping
make school lunches
engineer
Woman jobs:
carpool
breakfast
medical school
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| chocolate moose wrote: | | Legally, males can not be mammographers anymore in NY State. |
Citation to authority, please? I've no time to research it, but I cannot fathom how any legislation to that effect would be constitutional.
There are male OB/Gyn's, you know. There are also men who require mammograms.
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| Posted: Wed, Feb 04 2009, 2:11 pm Post subject: re: woman's vs man's job |
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| It makes no difference who the job is specifically for, whatever a man can do, a woman can do better!!!!!!!
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| NotInNJMommy wrote: | working in a male dominated field, I can tell you why it is so.
It unofficially demands extreme amounts of hours, and this isn't to make 6 figures, but just to get ahead at all.
Be frum, be pregnant, be the primary caregiver to take off when there are snow days, sick kids, etc., and well, forget getting good assignments or responsibilities and therefore, the promotions. The only way around this is if you are married to another engineer, or someone making better money than that (which I'm not), don't have tuition to pay (which I do), and therefore can afford to pay a nanny/housekeeper/chauffer to watch/clean/shlep your kids around and be their parent, and she would have to actually want someone else raising her kids (which I don't).
I know. I live it. I'm an engineer. That's why overall, even though other male dominated fields have gotten more 'equal', engineering hasn't. |
WADR, I think anyone who expects to be able to take off snow days and kid sick days on a regular basis, whether male or female, whether or not in a supposedly male dominated profession, is unlikely to get the good assignments or responsibilities, or get promotions. Work needs to get done, and its going to be given to those who are there to do it, whether male or female. Its a decision that you make.
Its also incredibly insulting to state that those who have a nanny to watch their kids is abrogating parenting responsibilty to the nanny, that the nanny is the parent, and that the parent no longer is the parent.
First off, does that apply to fathers? If there is, for example, a stay at home mom who shleps the kids, with a working or kollel father who is gone all day, is that father therefore not parenting the kids? Is he no longer a father?
What about mothers who send their kids to school? That's 5 days a week, 6 for a lot of you, 8 hours a day, more as they get older. If the kids are sleeping 10 hours a day (OK, that's only younger ones), that means that the school is watching the kids more than the parent. Obvious abdication of responsibility. If you send your kids to school, you're no longer a mother.
Or is it only working women who are accused of no longer being a mother if someone else helps with the kids.
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| Raisin wrote: | hmmm, although you do rarely hear of men or women doing these jobs: (my friend had a male midwife!)
womens jobs:
midwife
nurse
nanny
kg teacher
mens:
construction worker (including things like bricklaying and so on)
lorry driver
any other job that is very very physical - sanitation workers, etc.
hmmm, can't think of any more. | your choices of womens jobs are just untersting to me. I have heard of women midwives and nurses. nany not so sure but also kg teachers. here where I live there is a guy who runs a mishpachton with the wife.
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Speaking of nurses, this summer I was hospitalized for 8 days for a bad postpartum infection. I was in a regular wing of the hospital, not the postpartum wing. I was dismayed that 3 shifts out of the 16 shifts that I was there, I had a male nurse. It was extremely uncomfortable for me. I couldnt ask him for help with the shower (I need to have my drain insertion area covered with tape and plastic) and once I had an extremely embarrassing diarrhea incident and was so helpless, I didnt feel comfortable calling a male nurse to help me change! Ugh, I dont know why they assign male nurses to female patients.
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