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Posted: Sun, Jan 04 2009, 11:03 am Post subject: how do you light shabbos candles? |
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| I am posting as amother because this is very embarrassing. I'm married for quite anumber of months now, but not sure how to light the shabbos candles. When do you wave your hands? when do u say the bracha, before or after waving hands three times? are u supposed to say anythign specific when you cover your eyes? I say the yehi ratzon afterwrds, but am really unsure about everything else. TIA.
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| you wave your hands before you say the bracha, then yehi razton and then a private prayer of anything that you want.
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Posted: Sun, Jan 04 2009, 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Light the candles.
Draw your hands towards your eyes three times, as if you are ushering in Shabbos towards you.
Cover your eyes.
Say the brocho.
Uncover your eyes and look at the candles.
Say any personal tefillas (prayers) you want to, with your eyes covered or not as you choose.
Say the yehi ratzon.
You can change the order of the last 2, and they are optional.
Don't be embarrassed! we had another thread on lighting candles a few months ago, and I asked dh about something there (can't remember what) and it turned out I didn't know I was supposed to look at the candles straight after the bracha. I used to continue covering my eyes for personal tefillas and only uncover them to say the yehi ratzon. Now I look at the candles and then cover my eyes again. And I've been married for 16 years! (Thank you imamother!) _________________ "The problem begins with... their political hangers oners... such as Anat Hoffman. She is a davener like I am a chinese belly dancer." (FS)
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Posted: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 3:36 pm Post subject: re: how do you light shabbos candles? |
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If your minhag is sephardi, you make the beracha before you light. If it is ashkenaz, shalhevet has it perfect.
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Posted: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 3:48 pm Post subject: re: how do you light shabbos candles? |
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I do exactly like Shalhevet, saying the yehi ratzon before personal tefilos.
This thread really got me to stop and think about what I thought was instinctive. It isn't; it's generations of minhag.
Last night when my 2 year old was singing Yemei HaChanukah (Oy Chanukah Oy Chanukah in Hebrew - and yes, even though Chanukah is over he is still singing it), I thought about my grandparents dancing and singing this song with us in my parents' home when I was a little girl. Obviously they saw it in their parents' homes, and, I'm guessing, so on back in the generations. So that's at least five generations I know about in my family that sang this song and observed Chanukah this way (even though not everyone was so frum), and now my 2 year old is continuing the tradition.
For me, it really puts my time in this world in a larger perspective. _________________ "Often the things you worry about don't happen but other stuff does."
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| shalhevet wrote: | Light the candles.
Draw your hands towards your eyes three times, as if you are ushering in Shabbos towards you.
Cover your eyes.
Say the brocho.
Uncover your eyes and look at the candles.
Say any personal tefillas (prayers) you want to, with your eyes covered or not as you choose.
Say the yehi ratzon.
You can change the order of the last 2, and they are optional.
Don't be embarrassed! we had another thread on lighting candles a few months ago, and I asked dh about something there (can't remember what) and it turned out I didn't know I was supposed to look at the candles straight after the bracha. I used to continue covering my eyes for personal tefillas and only uncover them to say the yehi ratzon. Now I look at the candles and then cover my eyes again. And I've been married for 16 years! (Thank you Imamother!) |
thanks Shalhevet. I learned something new. I always kept my eyes covered until after I finish all my tefillos. Now I know to ask about this.
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Posted: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 4:31 pm Post subject: re: how do you light shabbos candles? |
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| I've actually been meaning to ask this question for a while, but when saying shehechiyanu for yom tov, at what point in the process do you look at the candles? before or after shehechiyanu?
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Posted: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 4:35 pm Post subject: re: how do you light shabbos candles? |
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For Yom Tov, first I say Lehadlik Ner Shel Yom Tov, then I light, then I say Shehecheyanu. I was told this is correct. I don't remember who told me this. Anyone know if it's right?
Obviously if Yom Tov is on Shabbos, or for Yom Kippur, I light first and then say both brachos.
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Posted: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: re: how do you light shabbos candles? |
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| Isramom8 wrote: | For Yom Tov, first I say Lehadlik Ner Shel Yom Tov, then I light, then I say Shehecheyanu. I was told this is correct. I don't remember who told me this. Anyone know if it's right?
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AFAIK, there are 2 different minhagim for YT (not on Shabbos). One is to say the brocho and then light (from an existing flame) - I don't know when shechecheyanu. My minhag is not to change from a regular Shabbos.
(this is all for Ashkenazim, as someone posted Sephardim are different).
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Posted: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: re: how do you light shabbos candles? |
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| Dalia Nechama wrote: | If your minhag is sephardi, you make the beracha before you light. If it is ashkenaz, shalhevet has it perfect.  |
I never knew that - I'm ashkenaz married to a sephardi, but dh I guess wouldn't have known that to tell me, I'll ask MIL tomorrow what she does, thank you!!!
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Posted: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| sky wrote: | | shalhevet wrote: | Light the candles.
Draw your hands towards your eyes three times, as if you are ushering in Shabbos towards you.
Cover your eyes.
Say the brocho.
Uncover your eyes and look at the candles.
Say any personal tefillas (prayers) you want to, with your eyes covered or not as you choose.
Say the yehi ratzon.
You can change the order of the last 2, and they are optional.
Don't be embarrassed! we had another thread on lighting candles a few months ago, and I asked dh about something there (can't remember what) and it turned out I didn't know I was supposed to look at the candles straight after the bracha. I used to continue covering my eyes for personal tefillas and only uncover them to say the yehi ratzon. Now I look at the candles and then cover my eyes again. And I've been married for 16 years! (Thank you Imamother!) |
thanks Shalhevet. I learned something new. I always kept my eyes covered until after I finish all my tefillos. Now I know to ask about this. |
My dh explained that we only say the brocho after lighting because we accept Shabbos, and that's why we cover our eyes, so as not to benefit from the candles until after the bracha. But once we've made the bracha we should immediately benefit from them.
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Posted: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| shalhevet wrote: | Light the candles.
Draw your hands towards your eyes three times, as if you are ushering in Shabbos towards you.
Cover your eyes.
Say the brocho.
Uncover your eyes and look at the candles.
Say any personal tefillas (prayers) you want to, with your eyes covered or not as you choose.
Say the yehi ratzon.
| I first turn on the electric light since that is what we really get hanaah from, and then light the candles. I then cover my eyes, no waving or 3 times circling (I was told it might be a hefsek, and it's not brought down -- ask your rav), say the brocha, uncover, look, say yehi ratzon (sheyiboneh bais hamikdosh), and then personal tefillos from my Aneini
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Do you blow out the match or silver candle thing after you light or do you let the match burn itself out or light the last candle from another?
In one halacha class I learnt that you can't blow the match/candle out b/c you have lit and may have accepted shabbos even without the bracha and in another I learnt that you can blow out the match/candle because it is minhag yisrael I think.
So I tend to be uncertain and switch on and off.
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Posted: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 5:08 pm Post subject: re: how do you light shabbos candles? |
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I don't blow it out, I put it on a little silver dish that I have next to the candles.
And do you light candles or oil? I always lit candles and then 2 weeks ago decided to switch to oil.
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| I can't find containers that hold olive oil anywhere and I've even searched brooklyn!! People seem to mostly light liquid wax which seems pointless to me since the hiddur is olive oil as far as I know.
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I wave the match out.
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Posted: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 5:14 pm Post subject: re: how do you light shabbos candles? |
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| I bought pretty shot glasses, which I half fill with water and then top up with olive oil (extra virgin) put a wick in.
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| shnitzel wrote: | | I can't find containers that hold olive oil anywhere and I've even searched brooklyn!! People seem to mostly light liquid wax which seems pointless to me since the hiddur is olive oil as far as I know. | You mean the glass cups that are also used in menorahs?
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| shnitzel wrote: | | I can't find containers that hold olive oil anywhere and I've even searched brooklyn!! People seem to mostly light liquid wax which seems pointless to me since the hiddur is olive oil as far as I know. |
I use either the cups for menorahs or the glass containers some people use for those fat, stubby white candles (I don't know if that is even slightly clear). Anyway. I also put water at the bottom and add my olive oil. I have a friend who makes a point of using enough oil to last through the entire Shabbos. I've never seen anyone else do that, but it is pretty cool.
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Posted: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| You are not supposed to blow out a flame (not just Shabbos candles). There's a kabbalistic reason, I think, because a person's soul is compared to a candle.
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