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Are you into natural parenting?
Yes! I do as many NP things as I can.
 12%  [ 7 ]
I think NP is ideal but only do some things
 10%  [ 6 ]
I do some things natural, some things not
 41%  [ 24 ]
I only do a few things natural and only if I really feel it is worth it
 17%  [ 10 ]
Nope, I'm "artificial"
 18%  [ 11 ]
Total Votes : 58


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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 19 2008, 2:46 am    Post subject: re: Natural vs. mainstream parenting, what are you?
 
"Pregnancy and nursing are more natural than birth control" - well, duh. A no-brainer.
The thing is, nature can sometimes be a killer. Crying or Very sad Ever hear the expression, "Mother Nature is a
B---h" (rhymes with "rich").

Don't get me wrong. I think "going natural" IS part of Torah. Hashem made the world to tie in with the Torah. Things work a certain way, naturally. When we are closer to nature we are closer to spirituality. That said, please remember that I already explained that I don't do everything "natural". I voted that natural is the ideal but I only do some things.

I also see that a few mothers here who claim to be "artificial", actually do certain "natural" things, for as long as works for them. My attitude is to try to incorporate as much natural as I can, without upsetting myself over it (for example, I don't wear my baby because it hurts my back).
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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 19 2008, 3:15 am    Post subject: Re: re: Natural vs. mainstream parenting, what are you?
 
Isramom8 wrote:


Don't get me wrong. I think "going natural" IS part of Torah. Hashem made the world to tie in with the Torah. Things work a certain way, naturally. When we are closer to nature we are closer to spirituality.


If you truly think so, then I really don't understand why you needed that disrespectful attitude in the beginning of your post.
I fully agree with you that while natural is ideal, it is not right in every situation. If a woman can't handle pain, she may need an epidural, if a baby isn't gaining, he may need formula, if a child has pneumonia, he may need antibiotics. And if a woman can't handle more children, she may need birth control.

Natural is ideal, but not always feasible and shouldn't be taken to the extreme. You seem to agree with me on that, so why the antagonism?
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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 19 2008, 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: re: Natural vs. mainstream parenting, what are you?
 
hadasa wrote:
Isramom8 wrote:


Don't get me wrong. I think "going natural" IS part of Torah. Hashem made the world to tie in with the Torah. Things work a certain way, naturally. When we are closer to nature we are closer to spirituality.


If you truly think so, then I really don't understand why you needed that disrespectful attitude in the beginning of your post.
I fully agree with you that while natural is ideal, it is not right in every situation. If a woman can't handle pain, she may need an epidural, if a baby isn't gaining, he may need formula, if a child has pneumonia, he may need antibiotics. And if a woman can't handle more children, she may need birth control.

Natural is ideal, but not always feasible and shouldn't be taken to the extreme. You seem to agree with me on that, so why the antagonism?


We do agree. What antagonism?
I was saying that I agree that pregnancy and nursing are natural - done these many times myself. It shouldn't have to be pointed out, is all. Whhat the Rebbe said here should simply be understood, but nowadays people (the non jews) view a decision to try to conceive as requiring a special choice, while preventing pregnancy is the default state.
I was saying that pregnancy and nursing are the "natural norms", and sometimes we need to take unnatural measures to care for our bodies and souls.
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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 19 2008, 6:13 am    Post subject: re: Natural vs. mainstream parenting, what are you?
 
BTW...I uploaded a source earlier...chaval if it was only on the Lubavitch forum..in which the Rebbe himself makes the distinction between birth control and family planning.

In the beginning of his talk, he says birth control is permitted under certain circumstances if one consults with a trusted Rav...he then goes on to talk about the problem of family planning (I.e. deciding before marriage how many children one "should" have based on their budget etc..)

So, contrary to the all-too-common misconception (pun intended) that Lubavitchers believe birth control is assur gamur unless the woman is ready to be dragged away to the loony bin..there is a distinction between people trying to plan contrary to nature ahead of time and when a woman feels she is under undue pressure and gets a heter from a rav who is familiar with her situation... Wink

(p.s. not on bc, don't know why I am writing that, but just so I don't invite speculation on why I changed my position...I changed my former strident postition because I took a look at what the Rebbe actually SAID on the issue. Wink )
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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 19 2008, 6:43 am    Post subject: re: Natural vs. mainstream parenting, what are you?
 
Isra, I guess I misread the tone of your post. I apologise.

In any case, I did not mean to turn this thread into another(!) bc thread. It was just one item on my list of things I try to do naturally.
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PostPosted: Wed, Nov 19 2008, 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: re: Natural vs. mainstream parenting, what are you?
 
chavamom wrote:
Ruchel wrote:
Many things are described rather than prescribed in the Talmud. I asked, there is NO mitzva to nurse 2 years, or at all. Just because it was that way 2000 years ago doesn't mean it should be that way today. Many things were different. We don't dress like described, eat like described, bodies don't even work like described anymore.

If you answer please refrain from name calling as you would be insulting the talmid chacham and rav I asked.


Is it insulting to say that there are those that disagree? (At least I didn't say "my talmid chacham can beat up your talmid chacham" Laughing )


No, this is good. Just don't call me (you never did) apikores. Laughing
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