Why Mccain and Palin?

Posted: Fri, Oct 24 2008, 4:29 am Post subject: Why Mccain and Palin?

I'm interested to know,wny Mccain and Palin?
I am surprised that no one has said vote for the Mccain Palin ticket bc of....except by bashing the other candidate(with info that isn't true no matter how many times someone said go to factcheck).

I understand he was a war hero,that doesn't make him a great president.He voted w/bush 90% of the time,he is no maverick,even people in his own party said he isn't the Mccain he use to be when he came from the war.(dispute this please)
when he was on meet the press,he was stumped so many times about details about the economy.
when he suspended his campaign to go "deal with the issues"with congress,he didnt say one word in the sessions!!(dispute this please)
WHY vote for Mccain?I'm all for Obama,I understand him,I agree w.what he is trying to do for the United States of America,and the citizens of THAT country.

convince me why mccain and palin without bashing Obama,bc to continue to sprout hate about obama,doesn't convince me to change my mind,it just makes me more wary of the people I associate with bc if they knew my background they would lump me w/muslims also(CVS).

I want to see proof of his past voting in ref to the economy for the regular american. I want to see proof that he has an idea how to pay off china (owing them billions of dollars)and at the same time fund a war,that cost 10million a month(and will continue bc we must cotinue at all cost),while our country is in shambles.
we had to print up new money (700billion)to help the country out.is his plan to print up money to pay these countries and fund the war?

Nancy Pelosi said the iraqs have asked us to leave,and give them an opportunity to deal w/their problems themselves,but we havent.
our allies are saying to us,enough already,leave.Tony Blair (our #1 ally)resigned bc he realized that he hadn't put his own country's best interest first.
Can someone someone post, what Mccain plans to do about this,how to get our allies on board that we should stay in,how mccain plans on paying for a no end in sight war,how he plans on paying our debts???
we have spoke about taxes,and obama,but what has Mccain said about people who make less than $250,000(I know u dont care,about those people but I do so I need an answer)and w/no insurance,even w/the "gift of $5000)how does that help them(especially when they dont have a job in the first place).

I wont even begin about Palin she's pretty,funny,BH nice sized family,but THAT'S IT.when u look in the archives of the Alaska papers,u will see she hasn't really done much for lower income people,not handicapped,not young pregnant women etc.She has acquired more debt since being governor.sure she "took on"the politicians there,but I found out,it was already in the works.
she is not liked by the alaskan people,they actually say"elect her,we dont want her back,keep her please"(just look for the blogs).
give me points how she will be a good president.

Mccain refuse to show his medical records in their entirety.he gave over 200pages to be looked at within 2hrs(these were the stipulations made)u couldn't make copies,everything needed to be written down.the med who were reviewing the documents said "its impossible".what's the big secrecy?if he is in tip top shape shouldn't he say"read them and weep?"Doctors have been asked across the country about his past medical problems,(CVS this should happen)9times out of 10 it will return!!then we will have palin for president.so even more so,I need to know if she can step in the shoes,to be president of the United States of America.

I keep stressing USA bc we seem to be focused on what is good for israel(I have said many times its only by Hashem Israel will be safe,and the shluchim of our ISRAELI government {who needs to have a backbone}.
Right now,america is in a pitiful state,and the people of the USA could care less about other countries,bc their focus is food on the table,and the future of their children
I think one of the reasons he is losing is bc he isn't staying on target about the issues that concern the AMERICAN people,he has only said (like u)horrible things about obama.people see that as same old politics,its the opposite of what he tries to protray himself as"change".he hasn't said one thing that means change.
SO AGAIN PLEASE TELL ME WHY MCCAIN [b]WITHOUT [/b]BASHING OBAMA

Posted: Fri, Oct 24 2008, 4:45 am Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin?

Akeres:
I am with you on something you expressed in earlier threads...that if our Israeli PM would stand up for our rights, the President of the U.S. would listen (the Lubavitcher Rebbe even said "test me...take a stand." when it came to encouraging the Jewish People to speak out about giving away parts of Eretz Yisroel) but our PMs have always let us down and it gets to the point where I don't care who is PM of Israel anymore (there was Bibi and then Sharon and the Gaza Expulsion..and then I decided I would not believe in the Hawks anymore and I certainly don't want the doves).

So I do follow the American elections with some interest. At least hoping that one candidate would have our best interests at heart, even though our PMs don't seem to care. But you are right, akeres. If our own leaders in E. Yisroel don't seem to care then it is hard for us...however, there is that glimmer of hope I have that a U.S. President who cares about us might give us some inspiration.

McCain has said "The Israelis are facing the biggest threat they have ever faced in their history." This man understands the enormity of the threat in Iran. Obama wants to sit down with this madman. And you and others ask what can the harm be in talking? A certain PM of England sat down with a certain Rasha gamur in Germany and declared that giving away the Sudentland (Checkoslovakia) meant "Peace in our time."We know what followed...and yes, it IS a big deal to sit down with a sonei Yisroel..the only person who ever succeeded in saving the Jewish People by sitting down with a Sonei Yisroel was Esther Malka wnen she sat down at a meal with Ahashverosh and Hamman...but she certainly wasn't sitting down to negotiate!

I actually heard Obama in a speech praise Carter's advisor who said that the talks between Ehud Barak (another Barak ) and Arafat broke down because of "Israeli intransigence" (recall that Barak was going to hand Arafat half of Yirushalaim over on a silver platter right then and there. Without conditions.)
I heard Obama himself call the Camp David Accords an "everlasting peace" (even if he were Pro-Arab, how could he say that!!! Both Arabs and l'havdil Jews have died in wars since then! Charles Krauthammer compared the Camp David Accords to being mugged in Central Park "Give us land so we won't kill you."

So I don't think there is much hope anyway, but at least McCain acknowledges the threat and doesn't praise Jimmy Carter (that sonei Yisroel--if you don't believe me...take a look at that book he wrote...then again..don't..) and his policies and advisors..

But you might be right Akeres and btw my dh agrees with you --not about voting Obama--but that a U.S. President can do nothing for us if we don't take care of ourselves....
But why should I vote for someone who I know does not have our best interests at heart???
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Posted: Fri, Oct 24 2008, 7:19 am Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin?

when jimmy carter was president(as was a young chick then but)our views were much different than now.he surprised us all.
Mccain doesn't have our best interest at heart he has HIS.not americans either.Mccain has praised C.Rice on the "fantastic job she is doing"they believe in a two state solution(as did past presidents).so this isn't the discussion bc if america (bklal)has its way thats their stance(unless our spineless gov does something..like stand up for our right to live in the holy land).so what are we talking about Iran???NOT ONE ALLY feels "drastic measures need to be taken"why?OIL,MONEY,their country's best interest,so Israel is on the bottom of the heap AGAIN.so what are we talking about???
not once has Mccain said anything contrary to what has been said.
Iran,China and Russia are ALL in cohoots together.China condemns what Iran said but doesn't stop them doing business w/them and wont...why should they.and Russia forget about it.

so my question to everyone why Mccain is good for the AMERICAN PEOPLE??what has he said that is about change from the same admin that we have now??which we can all agree is in the dumps

Posted: Fri, Oct 24 2008, 7:57 am Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin?

okay...if neither candidate cares about E. Yisroel than I really don't care anymore about Chutz l'aretz...so there Evil or Very Mad

(so there and evil face not to you akeres, but to both candidates).

I do care about the U.S. only because there are alot of yidden there...otherwise...I don't...

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There is a lot about McCain that makes him a better candidate for president in my eyes. First of all he is more experienced in foreign affairs, he isn't planning on taxing people the way Obama is, he's supported by Lieberman- which I think says a lot about his outlook on Israel and there isn't anything shady about him, he seems a lot more like president material than Obama.

I am definitely going to compare one candidate with the other. Why wouldn't a person choose one over the other based on weighing the negative? I don't like most of what Obama has to say, his background, his experience so why wouldn't I look at that when deciding whom to vote for?

Posted: Fri, Oct 24 2008, 10:12 am Post subject: Re: re: Why Mccain and Palin?

Posted: Fri, Oct 24 2008, 10:28 am Post subject:

I have stated several times why I like McCain. FWIW most of the comments regarding who everyone is voting for have been negative, and that goes for those who are supporting McCain and Obama.

I'm voting McCain because I feel he will do the better job. I think he knows the issues better, is less egotistical, and while he has changed his position (flip flopped) on some issues, he has done less flip flopping than Obama.

I am more conservative and feel that the conservative agenda is true to Torah than the liberal one, at least at the moment.

McCain recognized the problem with Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac back in 2005.

McCain is better able to reach across the aisle.

McCain is willing to put his campaign aside for the good of the country and his family, as he has demonstrated when he was opposing Bush in the primaries.

He is better able to stablize the government.

We don't need change. Radical change is rarely good as it leads to many problems. It is only a choice when everything is bad.

I think we should have been in Iraq a lot sooner. And I understand hyperbole. Neither candidate is likely to get us out of Iraq as fast as anyone would be happy about; but McCain will, imho, get us out safer and smarter. Timetables are for trains, not wars.

I find McCain more ethical. Every piece of dirt that h as been thrown at him I've checked into and found it highly exaggerated at worst or really not an issue.
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Posted: Fri, Oct 24 2008, 10:33 am Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin?

I have to add in elections, there are always "pieces of dirt" thrown about each candidate. most of them stem from nothing.

dirt has been said about both of them, but in the end thats not what will make it or break it for voters.

Obama Biden makes way more sense than McCain/Palin. Look at our economy- Bush has been president for the last 8 years, drove us into a costly war, and McCain saw and still sees nothing wrong with that!

you need taxes to make the world go round. everyone knows that, its only fair in most circumstances. Obama is taxing only certain percentages, and within those %- anyone can see how it makes sense. McCain tries to get america by saying- no more taxes, no more taxes- but it wont work, not ever
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I am not American and I am not Israeli and I dont live in either of those countries, but I think there is something that all of you voters have to realize - NEITHER Obama NOR McCain nor any other US President in history "cares" about Israel.
The candidates may support or attack Israel depending on how it fits in with their domestic or foreign interests, but do you really expect a non-Jew who is running for the most important job in the world to really care about Israel?
If you do you are deluding yourselves. He has other things on his mind!
So really, voters would do well to examine all of the issues, because nobody is good for Israel. Right now McCain seems more pro-Israel, but do you think this is until the bitter end? You dont think that ultimately, he will put the USA's interests first (as well he should)?
Obama scares me a bit, he is too polished, too smooth. But really, Palin annoys me badly, she is so stupid. But - as I dont have the right to vote, my opinion is worth nothing. (I could try to influence my husband to vote at the consulate but he never registered, so we are really not represented.)

(Sorry my apostrophe key is not working).
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As long as Israels interests coincide with US's interests then the US will support Israel (selfishly) does anyone really believe any different? The only thing that I have seen said for McCain is re the economy that business-wise rich dudes say he is better versed in how to run the $$$ of the country and if I cant beleive self made billionaires about $ then idk. Also I think its very crucial to cut business taxes to keep the jobs in the usa, hello, just to avoid all the indian telephone operators who "speak" english and you have to repeat e/t a bunch of times until you give up & scream give me your supervisor in america. I also think its very undemocratic on principle to tax income tax brackets differently, a percent is even and fair as is. But for the record I am an undecided - thankfully my vote doesnt count (pressure off). I dont think any of the candidates have much to offer. The political parties keep putting up pple they think can win over the other side instead of pple who might do a good job, no faith in the american voters sensibilities at all. Plus they both put up candidates that require us to scrutinize the vp's since they have a long medical history & high risk of assasination, although bush did choke on a pretzel.
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I find it pretty amazing that any of us can talk and talk and talk about why McCain is the better choice and then someone can come along and tell us that we have no reason.
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Perhaps it's not that we see "no reason" as much as we see the reasons as false. McCain better on Israel? Ask the CIA analysts what they think about that one! So does that make it "no reason" or just a mistake?

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To say "there's no reason you;re doing x" after months of discussion, means that someone's ears are plugged. That's all.
You may think CIA analysts have final word, I may think a candidate's type of friends is more telling.
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Posted: Fri, Oct 24 2008, 2:03 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin?

saw this on WashingtonPost.com by Dr. Charles Krauthammer about why he is voting for McCain. Don't think it will change anyone's minds, but he is such a good writer and its nogea to this thread...

McCain for President

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, October 24, 2008; A19

Contrarian that I am, I'm voting for John McCain. I'm not talking about bucking the polls or the media consensus that it's over before it's over. I'm talking about bucking the rush of wet-fingered conservatives leaping to Barack Obama before they're left out in the cold without a single state dinner for the next four years.

I stand athwart the rush of conservative ship-jumpers of every stripe -- neo (Ken Adelman), moderate (Colin Powell), genetic/ironic (Christopher Buckley) and socialist/atheist (Christopher Hitchens) -- yelling "Stop!" I shall have no part of this motley crew. I will go down with the McCain ship. I'd rather lose an election than lose my bearings.

First, I'll have no truck with the phony case ginned up to rationalize voting for the most liberal and inexperienced presidential nominee in living memory. The "erratic" temperament issue, for example. As if McCain's risky and unsuccessful but in no way irrational attempt to tactically maneuver his way through the economic tsunami that came crashing down a month ago renders unfit for office a man who demonstrated the most admirable equanimity and courage in the face of unimaginable pressures as a prisoner of war, and who later steadily navigated innumerable challenges and setbacks, not the least of which was the collapse of his campaign just a year ago.

McCain the "erratic" is a cheap Obama talking point. The 40-year record testifies to McCain the stalwart.

Nor will I countenance the "dirty campaign" pretense. The double standard here is stunning. Obama ran a scurrilous Spanish-language ad falsely associating McCain with anti-Hispanic slurs. Another ad falsely claimed that McCain supports "cutting Social Security benefits in half." And for months Democrats insisted that McCain sought 100 years of war in Iraq.

McCain's critics are offended that he raised the issue of William Ayers. What's astonishing is that Obama was himself not offended by William Ayers.

Moreover, the most remarkable of all tactical choices of this election season is the attack that never was. Out of extreme (and unnecessary) conscientiousness, McCain refused to raise the legitimate issue of Obama's most egregious association -- with the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Dirty campaigning, indeed.

The case for McCain is straightforward. The financial crisis has made us forget, or just blindly deny, how dangerous the world out there is. We have a generations-long struggle with Islamic jihadism. An apocalyptic soon-to-be-nuclear Iran. A nuclear-armed Pakistan in danger of fragmentation. A rising Russia pushing the limits of revanchism. Plus the sure-to-come Falklands-like surprise popping out of nowhere.

Who do you want answering that phone at 3 a.m.? A man who's been cramming on these issues for the past year, who's never had to make an executive decision affecting so much as a city, let alone the world? A foreign policy novice instinctively inclined to the flabbiest, most vaporous multilateralism (e.g., the Berlin Wall came down because of "a world that stands as one"), and who refers to the most deliberate act of war since Pearl Harbor as "the tragedy of 9/11," a term more appropriate for a bus accident?

Or do you want a man who is the most prepared, most knowledgeable, most serious foreign policy thinker in the United States Senate? A man who not only has the best instincts but has the honor and the courage to, yes, put country first, as when he carried the lonely fight for the surge that turned Iraq from catastrophic defeat into achievable strategic victory?

There's just no comparison. Obama's own running mate warned this week that Obama's youth and inexperience will invite a crisis -- indeed a crisis "generated" precisely to test him. Can you be serious about national security and vote on Nov. 4 to invite that test?

And how will he pass it? Well, how has he fared on the only two significant foreign policy tests he has faced since he's been in the Senate? The first was the surge. Obama failed spectacularly. He not only opposed it. He tried to denigrate it, stop it and, finally, deny its success.

The second test was Georgia, to which Obama responded instinctively with evenhanded moral equivalence, urging restraint on both sides. McCain did not have to consult his advisers to instantly identify the aggressor.

Today's economic crisis, like every other in our history, will in time pass. But the barbarians will still be at the gates. Whom do you want on the parapet? I'm for the guy who can tell the lion from the lamb.

Posted: Fri, Oct 24 2008, 2:07 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin?

Posted: Fri, Oct 24 2008, 2:14 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin?

One more thing that I think is of fundamental importance to this country that McCain/Palin hold that marriage (state-recognized) can only be between a man and a woman. (This does not leave out "ceremonies" that gays sometimes do, just the recognition of the marriage as a legal entity.)

Obama is pro gay marriage. I heard him say it at the Saddleback forum (or whatever it was called).

Those of you who this this is homophobic or bigoted are certainly welcome to your opinions. I, however feel, that this country needs to uphold the Biblical (not Christian) morality it was founded on, in order to survive. If "in G-d we Trust" is our national motto, then we have to, as a nation, live up to G-d's standards for morality as part of our national heritage.

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Posted: Fri, Oct 24 2008, 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: re: Why Mccain and Palin?

Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 2:09 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin?

I forgot the website I went to where u can see what ea politican voted for (I went after I was trying to weigh what mccain has actually done while in office)
BUT
although mccain has been in office for a looooong time,he hasnt done anything to change it.when it came to voting for anything specific he abstained!
even this last time for helping the government w/the "bailout"he didnt say a word,look at the transcripts!

again no one has given me point by point.

why palin for VP bc mccain isnt in good health that is a fact,how will she run the country what shows that she is ready to step in the presidents role?that is one of the jobs of VP.
u may have problems w/obama,but what shows that he has thought things thru is by picking biden who has just as much experience as mccain,and he has said that Obama,has requested him to do more than a VP to sit in,and Obama has already said that he will listen to everyone bc its not about party its about running a country,w/everyone's best interest at heart.
I'm not asking u to comment about what I said about obama,I'm asking u to show me,where mccain has voted differently than Bush,I'm asking u to show me,where has he given specifics about the economy.
another thread the amother's dh just lost his job,and they are in dire circumstances we are hearing this EVERYDAY.a friend of mine whose dh is in kollel and she works just got laid off,she didnt even see it coming.
these are the issues"my friends"(mccains favorite line Laughing

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not once has mccain showed judgement since this election,no matter how the polls show that his negative campaigning hasn't given him headway,he hasn't changed.I can't say its all his fault he probably should have gotten rid of shmitz(I think thats how he spells his name)his campaign manager a long time ago.

so people if u want people to "open people's eyes"why mccain is a brilliant choice for america ,link the records of his past performance bc I can't find it,and believe me I have tried.I have always been republican,but Bush "stabbed me in the back"as he has done w/the american people,and the jewish people who live in israel,by doing what he wants w/no regard of what the people want.and what I was waiting for mccain to say,was I was wrong in voting w/bush 90% of the time,and I realized what needed to be done but I didnt do enough....he never said it,he actually thinks things are fine(I will find u the quote if u like).
I think another reason people aren't open to mccain,is bc he hasn't proven that he wont keep the same policies as bush,this is what people are afraid of.
someone mentioned radical change is scary,yes it is,but sometimes it has to be done,
I dont know my history by presidents,but one of the most important to me is lincoln's radical change of slavery,the women's right to vote,segregation etc.
and america is the "most powerful country"in the world and we shouldn't have such a gap in middle class(poverty has caught up w/even the middle class) and rich.we should have an abundance of jobs,our education should be tops (its at the bottom of all western countries),energy etc etc.
Mccain doesn't have a grasp(as far as I have researched)on these issues,bc he hasn't had to deal w/them in the senate(bc he never voted on it),not to mention arizona education is not the best.

so the only reason I can come up w/why mccain,and not obama is,he has a funny name,he's black,and he is too articulate.so he can't be trusted(just so u know once upon a time,these were clear signs to get lynched quick)
this is why its pure racisim,as I see it.I am insulted so much I just dont know what to say,bc his background is my background except BH I'm an orthodox jew,and not so articulate.

Posted: Sat, Oct 25 2008, 2:49 pm Post subject: re: Why Mccain and Palin?