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has anybody ever wondered why they call this tree a weeping willow?! I used to call them girl trees - they looked like they had long ponie tails ... 
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2007, 12:57 pm Post subject: re: weeping willow |
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because his "falling" branches look depressed? because they look like strings of tears?
It's also weeping willow (saule pleureur) in French
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| They are drawn towards water.
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interesting info ...
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2007, 2:47 pm Post subject: re: weeping willow |
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because the long, hanging branches look like a depressed person with long hair, head hanging down, down, down.
So why's it called the Wailing Wall? (Well, it used to be. Now it's called the Western Wall, thank goodness, which besdies being a correct translation is a neutral image.)
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2007, 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: re: weeping willow |
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| chen wrote: | because the long, hanging branches look like a depressed person with long hair, head hanging down, down, down.
So why's it called the Wailing Wall? (Well, it used to be. Now it's called the Western Wall, thank goodness, which besdies being a correct translation is a neutral image.) |
I don't know whether to laugh or cry ...
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2007, 4:30 pm Post subject: re: weeping willow |
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| Quote: | willow
Vickery (1995: 399-401) points out the biblical basis of the sadness and grief associated with the tree in England:
By the rivers of Babylon we sat down and wept
when we remembered Zion
There on the willow trees
we hung our harps
(Psalm 137)
but continues by saying that these would not actually have been willows at all, but poplars. It is possible that the original translators of the King James Bible were led to use the word willow by already existing English traditions connecting willows and weeping. Certainly the shape of the tree is sufficient to explain its epithet. Two poems by Herrick (Hesperides (1648)) confirm the willow as a symbol of sadness and lost love. See also Lean (1903: ii. 638) and Hazlitt (1905: 621-2) for numerous similar quotations from 16th- and 17th-century literary sources |
Interesting.
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2007, 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: re: weeping willow |
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| Ruchel wrote: | because his "falling" branches look depressed? because they look like strings of tears?
It's also weeping willow (saule pleureur) in French |
this is a good answer
the wailing wall , could be that because people cry at the kottel to hashem.
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2007, 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: re: weeping willow |
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| ny21 wrote: |
the wailing wall , could be that because people cry at the kottel to hashem. |
You got it--it wasn't the wall that was wailing, but the people at the wall who were wailing. Still, that epithet was probably invented by nonJews and I always always hated it, even as a little girl. Still do.
Say, Green--don't you like the image of the Whomping Willow better than Weeping Willow? BTW, in archaic English, "wearing the willow" means mourning--whether it's a lost love or a lost relative.
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| Posted: Mon, Aug 20 2007, 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| whomping willow please explain ...
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Whomping Willow - Harry Potter try that whoped (hit) people when it came too close.
I also like the idea of the leaves looking like tears that go down towards the water....
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| oh man I should know ... I just saw that movie ... he hee ... it sure WHOMPED ... rather scary indeed ...
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