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 Posted: Thu, May 17 2007, 3:59 pm Post subject: re: Kol Dodi Dofek- 16 yr old Rvrdale, 23 yr from Shor Yos |
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Did I say I was offended?
Did I criticize the poem?
Are we allowed to have opinions that differ from you?
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The context in Shir Hashirim is that Hashem is knocking on Klal Yisroel's door because they have abandoned Him and He wants us to accept Him again.
How do you think Hashem knocks on our door? When we don't see the message from all the good He bestows on us, unfortunately, then He starts sending yissurim b'ahava to open our eyes.
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| Posted: Thu, May 17 2007, 4:20 pm Post subject: re: Kol Dodi Dofek- 16 yr old Rvrdale, 23 yr from Shor Yos |
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Havent read the poem.
Is there anything smart to say on this???????? Gosh, if we had any answers.... trust me I wouldnt be on this site.
May we only know of and share simchas.
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| Posted: Thu, May 17 2007, 6:32 pm Post subject: re: Kol Dodi Dofek- 16 yr old Rvrdale, 23 yr from Shor Yos |
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| Quote: | The context in Shir Hashirim is that Hashem is knocking on Klal Yisroel's door because they have abandoned Him and He wants us to accept Him again.
How do you think Hashem knocks on our door? When we don't see the message from all the good He bestows on us, unfortunately, then He starts sending yissurim b'ahava to open our eyes. |
I'm not really so comfortable with the idea that Hashem needs to kill people to get our attention. I'd rather think there were other reasons for these people's tragic petirahs that we don't and can't understand. Sorry, that poem did not do much for me.
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| Posted: Thu, May 17 2007, 7:05 pm Post subject: re: Kol Dodi Dofek- 16 yr old Rvrdale, 23 yr from Shor Yos |
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Chassidus explains this passuk way differently. (Will research again b"n where I learned it.)
Healthymama, I'm with you on that one, especially in the context of "dodi" "achosi" "ra'yusi."
And simply, I don't like the switch from "knocking" to "POUNDING." Who said "dofek" suddenly means "pounding?"
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| Posted: Thu, May 17 2007, 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: re: Kol Dodi Dofek- 16 yr old Rvrdale, 23 yr from Shor |
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| healthymama wrote: | | I'm not really so comfortable with the idea that Hashem needs to kill people to get our attention. I'd rather think there were other reasons for these people's tragic petirahs that we don't and can't understand. | Interesting way of putting it.
I can't give you either a name or a quote, but haven't you heard of Rabbonim conveying the thought that when many tragedies befall our nation we have to take it as a clear sign from above to repent?
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| Posted: Fri, May 18 2007, 11:42 am Post subject: re: Kol Dodi Dofek- 16 yr old Rvrdale, 23 yr from Shor Yos |
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| Quote: | | I can't give you either a name or a quote, but haven't you heard of Rabbonim conveying the thought that when many tragedies befall our nation we have to take it as a clear sign from above to repent? |
I have, but I have also heard of rabbonim who say that we can't understand why bad things happen to good people.
Was the Holocaust a way that Hashem was knocking on our door? Breaking down the door? To get our attention to repent? Or was it something terrible the reasons for which are above our comprehension?
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| Rabbonim are very careful not to say Mr. Ploni was niftar because of XYZ, but say in we should view tragedies as a wake up call to ourselves to do teshuva. Nothing to do with the specific tragedy, but the fact that they are coming is what we have to take note of.
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| Hashem_Yaazor wrote: | | The context in Shir Hashirim is that Hashem is knocking on Klal Yisroel's door because they have abandoned Him and He wants us to accept Him again. |
I looked it up and it says it refers to Hashem's warnings through the prophets.
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| chen wrote: | | Crayon210 wrote: | I thought you were trying to make a shidduch between a 16 and 23 year old. I really didn't know what you were talking about.
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Same here--great minds think alike! |
I also thought the same. Anyway Boruch Dayan Haemes may Klal Yisroel have no one suffering and may Moshiach come NOW!!!!!
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| Posted: Sun, May 20 2007, 11:53 am Post subject: re: Kol Dodi Dofek- 16 yr old Rvrdale, 23 yr from Shor Yos |
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That was a very moving poem.
We need moshiach NOW!!
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| Motek wrote: | | Hashem_Yaazor wrote: | | The context in Shir Hashirim is that Hashem is knocking on Klal Yisroel's door because they have abandoned Him and He wants us to accept Him again. |
I looked it up and it says it refers to Hashem's warnings through the prophets. |
And? We don't have neviim nowadays. Does that mean Hashem doesn't communicate to us?
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